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clorenzen
1,831 posts
104 months
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I really wanted to like this car but it goes from bad to worse. I hope that customer services are up to the task because i would be fuming. Electrical gremlins are quite ok but cars that leave you stranded and where rear windows blow out should not be released.
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Chrism355
42 posts
29 months
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Firstly I would like to point out I am a huge Mclaren fan and a depositor for the MP4. I have been taken in by all the Mclaren sales pitch but what were those test engineers doing when testing the car,They could not know where they were going as the Iris sat nav does not work, they could not have took it out in the rain as they would have found out about the door sensor problems and now it must of been in a temperate climate as they clearly did not open the widow hen driving fast. Where the 5 million test miles driven on a simulator I can cut them some slack as it is a new product but Mclaren have built road cars before. I expected a better product from them like they promised when they launch the car.
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LongLiveTazio
2,521 posts
66 months
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Surely this should have been picked up in NVH testing etc.?
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DayTrader
776 posts
36 months
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GFWilliams said: sjr-997 said: Anyone heard the rumour circulating that maclaren are about to recall, as the rear window is breaking at over 120 due to cabin pressure suddenly changing when either window is dropped down ? I believe that has already been recalled Not good...but then again...who winds the window down at 120mph?!
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jtremlett
282 posts
91 months
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DayTrader said: ...Not good...but then again...who winds the window down at 120mph?! A tester ought to for a start! Jonathan
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GFWilliams
4,301 posts
76 months
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clorenzen said: I really wanted to like this car but it goes from bad to worse. I hope that customer services are up to the task because i would be fuming. Electrical gremlins are quite ok but cars that leave you stranded and where rear windows blow out should not be released. It's not as if it's 100% going to blow the rear window out if you put the side windows down, a bit like it wasn't 100% that a 458 was going to set on fire...
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ferdi p
502 posts
41 months
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GFWilliams said: clorenzen said: I really wanted to like this car but it goes from bad to worse. I hope that customer services are up to the task because i would be fuming. Electrical gremlins are quite ok but cars that leave you stranded and where rear windows blow out should not be released. It's not as if it's 100% going to blow the rear window out if you put the side windows down, a bit like it wasn't 100% that a 458 was going to set on fire... You'd have a different view if you were driving behind it at the time!!!
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MoBeanz
135 posts
39 months
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There's a bulkhead between the cabin & the glass engine cover so how would cabin presure affect that? Do they mean the little window in the middle?
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GFWilliams
4,301 posts
76 months
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ferdi p said: You'd have a different view if you were driving behind it at the time!!! Very true  If it was a TVR they'd call it character 
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ANDYCLAX
191 posts
33 months
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MoBeanz said: There's a bulkhead between the cabin & the glass engine cover so how would cabin presure affect that? Do they mean the little window in the middle? Yes,the middle window,no customer cars were effected,it happened on a test vehicle and the window securing system was modified before any customers got there hands on the car
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BelfastBoy
524 posts
29 months
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ANDYCLAX said: Yes,the middle window,no customer cars were effected,it happened on a test vehicle and the window securing system was modified before any customers got there hands on the car More bad publicity for Mclaren though, something they could do without right now. I'm constantly amazed every time I come onto this forum, it seems like there's new problems every day. Is it just me who thinks Mclaren are firefighting niggles and problems on cars that - if I'm being frank - still appear to be pre-production models rather than the finished article? They should be basking in the glow of a successful car launch of a game-changing supercar, not slinging out signed photos of F1 drivers and thinking up workaround solutions to whatever new problems that crop up. I think this may have been remarked on previously, but it's almost as if Mclaren are using their very first (and therefore keenest / most likely to be forgiving?) customers as some sort of very risky real-world beta testers for the car. I don't want to seem naive or negative, but if I'd shelled out £200k+ on an MP4-12C, and given Mclaren's insanely hubristic pre-release claims to world domination, I'd be astonished if told there's a chance a window might fall off at speed, or the doors don't work etc! But I still believe in the car, and if I'd the means, I'd be very interested in owning an MP4-12C. GFWilliams's latest batch of great photos also demonstrate that, given the right paint tone, lighting and photographer, the car can look as good as a 458. Hopefully in 6-12 months time, threads like this will be a distant memory...
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jontysafe
1,161 posts
47 months
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BelfastBoy said: ANDYCLAX said: Yes,the middle window,no customer cars were effected,it happened on a test vehicle and the window securing system was modified before any customers got there hands on the car More bad publicity for Mclaren though, something they could do without right now. I'm constantly amazed every time I come onto this forum, it seems like there's new problems every day. Is it just me who thinks Mclaren are firefighting niggles and problems on cars that - if I'm being frank - still appear to be pre-production models rather than the finished article? They should be basking in the glow of a successful car launch of a game-changing supercar, not slinging out signed photos of F1 drivers and thinking up workaround solutions to whatever new problems that crop up. I think this may have been remarked on previously, but it's almost as if Mclaren are using their very first (and therefore keenest / most likely to be forgiving?) customers as some sort of very risky real-world beta testers for the car. I don't want to seem naive or negative, but if I'd shelled out £200k+ on an MP4-12C, and given Mclaren's insanely hubristic pre-release claims to world domination, I'd be astonished if told there's a chance a window might fall off at speed, or the doors don't work etc! But I still believe in the car, and if I'd the means, I'd be very interested in owning an MP4-12C. GFWilliams's latest batch of great photos also demonstrate that, given the right paint tone, lighting and photographer, the car can look as good as a 458. Hopefully in 6-12 months time, threads like this will be a distant memory... Belfastboy, it`s like you didn`t even read the post above yours. If something goes wrong in testing, and it put right before release how is that bad publicity? Isn`t that what testing is for????
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911Thrasher
1,968 posts
68 months
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GFWilliams said: Very true If it was a TVR they'd call it character Dare I say it feels like you guys bought into a very expensive kit car. When the GTO came out, I don't remember reading/hearing about the car falling apart like this - yet very tre they experienced millions of daily commute miles w/ the 599s
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2,170 posts
105 months
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BelfastBoy said: More bad publicity for Mclaren though, something they could do without right now. I'm constantly amazed every time I come onto this forum, it seems like there's new problems every day. Is it just me who thinks Mclaren are firefighting niggles and problems on cars that - if I'm being frank - still appear to be pre-production models rather than the finished article? To be honest I think people were naive to think this car was going to be faultless from the start. They are creating a whole new car company. They’ve created virtually every component from scratch; nothing has been carried over from other models or borrowed from other car manufactures. It really is quite incredible, I can think of the last time this happened but I don’t think it has happened for a very long time. Although I may feel differently if I’d spent £250k.
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davidbht
132 posts
74 months
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Whilst visiting my 80 year old mother a while back the 458 on fire story broke she commented should of done more testing lol
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BelfastBoy
524 posts
29 months
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jontysafe said: Belfastboy, it`s like you didn`t even read the post above yours. If something goes wrong in testing, and it put right before release how is that bad publicity? Isn`t that what testing is for???? Of course I read the previous post, I even quoted it! The point is that, rightly or wrongly, mud seems to be sticking right now where the MP4-12C is concerned. If anything goes wrong in testing, I'd suggest that something like the potential 'window falling out' problem should never even become public knowledge. In some ways its irrelevant that the problem was apparently rectified in advance, the point is that rumour and whispers will simply add another problem to the current list. How many 458s actually went on fire? A tiny handful, but no matter how good that car is, it'll always be remembered for that reason! Of course Mclaren have taken on a very ambitious task in designing and mnaufacturing a car themselves, but they have made road cars before in one form or another so while it may be their first attempt at a mass-production supercar, they're not starting totally from scratch. I have to keep coming back to Mclaren's own pre-release hype which was - IMO - sailing a bit too close to smug arrogance - based on their own promises and the ill-advised hyperbole from the likes of Autocar, the MP4-12C SHOULD be perfect, should be better than anything else. Who can honestly say that it is at present? In time I hope that it will be remembered as a great car, let me make that clear.
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Frik
11,938 posts
112 months
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You're the one making a mountain out of these issues. All new, low volume cars have teething problems, and they're generally a result of changes between what the pre-production and production cars are made from. It's worse with a new car as you have so many new suppliers to deal with.
The critical thing is not the issues themselves but how McLaren deal with them.
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Lambo FirstBlood
592 posts
48 months
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ANDYCLAX said: Yes,the middle window,no customer cars were effected,it happened on a test vehicle and the window securing system was modified before any customers got there hands on the car That's not true Andy. my car was delivered on 17th August. I was out of the country so didn't collect the car until 2nd September. The replacement screen was fitted between the 17th and the 2nd. Had I been in the country to take delivery, my car would have been recalled to have a new window fitted. Mine was the third in the country from that dealer so I have to assume that at the very least, the two before me had their cars recalled.
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GFWilliams
4,301 posts
76 months
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911Thrasher said: Dare I say it feels like you guys bought into a very expensive kit car.
When the GTO came out, I don't remember reading/hearing about the car falling apart like this - yet very tre they experienced millions of daily commute miles w/ the 599s Don't agree with the kit car comment at all. It's build quality is very very high and it feels like a proper product. Doesn't feel like a kit car at all.
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garyhun
13,988 posts
97 months
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davidbht said: Whilst visiting my 80 year old mother a while back the 458 on fire story broke she commented should of done more testing lol To which you replied, "no mum, it's should HAVE, not should OF" 
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