Verdi Finally Bites The Dust!

[crostonian]

Were they also involved with Scuderia Systems selling Tubis for the UK?

[sjn2004]

celticfan said:

"Northampton CCBC Nov 2008"

The dubious honour of owning that debt belongs to me...

Chased this shyster for 3 years now spending £1000's in fees on warrants, hearings and associated expenses. Deep down I guess I knew he would wriggle out of this somehow, but unfortunately for me I wasn't prepared to just let it go.

The £5k he owes me is less significant than some of the sums being discussed on FChat, but it's enough to make me very angry. It also rankles big time that he is able to treat his Customers so badly yet continue to have such a "good" name on places like PH. I watched a few threads on Verdi get created then closed / deleted under the "naming & shaming" rules, knowing full well most of the criticism was totally justified.

Ah well, onwards and upwards...

Seem to remember his banner ads on this forum not too long ago. Money corrupts.

[Freewheeler]

crostonian said:

Were they also involved with Scuderia Systems selling Tubis for the UK?

[paul71a]

Not sure about that; when I was looking for a new exhaust, Scuderia systems had mine fitted by QV, who I've used for everything since. If I recall corrrectly, Verdi were fitting an alternative system, not the tubi

[steven f]

absoutley amazed that the verdi thread is still locked on club scuderia they seem to be in denial over there and keep putting sponsers before there members who have lost money think its time the mods/comms that run that site resigned anybody who re-starts the thread gets banned

Edited by steven f on Thursday 22 December 08:22

[AJSG]

steven f said:

absoutley amazed that the verdi thread is still locked on club scuderia they seem to be in denial over there and keep putting sponsers before there members who have lost money think its time the mods/comms that run that site resigned anybody who re-starts the thread gets banned

Edited by steven f on Thursday 22 December 08:22

What it tells you is that that bloke from Verdi and the people that run that forum have the same moral standards. The best thing you can do is leave that forum, less footfall equals no sponsorship.

[15HN]

Scuderia Systems used Verdi as a contractor up until around 2005 to fit their systems. Since then they use QV who are more local to them. The 2 companies are entirely separate.

[matc]

AJSG said:

steven f said:

absoutley amazed that the verdi thread is still locked on club scuderia they seem to be in denial over there and keep putting sponsers before there members who have lost money think its time the mods/comms that run that site resigned anybody who re-starts the thread gets banned

Edited by steven f on Thursday 22 December 08:22

What it tells you is that that bloke from Verdi and the people that run that forum have the same moral standards. The best thing you can do is leave that forum, less footfall equals no sponsorship.

I agree with this, club scud is an odd place with very odd rules. Has the potential to be great but the mods are too wrapped up in their own self importance to worry about what experience the users are getting from their site.

They need to realise that no users = no revenue.

[Sarnie]

15HN said:

Scuderia Systems used Verdi as a contractor up until around 2005 to fit their systems. Since then they use QV who are more local to them. The 2 companies are entirely separate.

My Tubi was fitted by Verdi which was organised by Manu at Scuderia Systems.

To be fair they were pretty decent with me, allowed me to log on to their Wifi for the afternoon to do some work whilst they fitted the decats and Tubi.

The only issue was the standard exhaust that they removed. They said it would be couried to me the week after. The 'week after' ended up at being 7 months of chasing via emails and unreturned calls. When it finally did arrive, I'm not entirely sure it was the one removed from my car........

[Steve w]

matc said:

I agree with this, club scud is an odd place with very odd rules. Has the potential to be great but the mods are too wrapped up in their own self importance to worry about what experience the users are getting from their site.

They need to realise that no users = no revenue.

Same basic rules as this forum and almost every other one

[AJSG]

Steve w said:

Same basic rules as this forum and almost every other one

Shows how mercenary the organisers are, not a good thing...but hey...the fact that the whole IT industry didn't resign in shame after the Great Fraud of 1999 still baffles me.

It cost UK industry more to fix the ficticious bug that it will cost to clean up Chernobyl.

[pork911]

There is an inherent difficulty with balance on internet forums.

Forums can be liable for their content hence sensibly fear naming and shaming yet on the other hand unwarranted praise will rarely be challanged by those praised (and others challenging it can fall foul of naming and shaming).

As a result a good online reputation for a business is often just at most 'i've not read anything bad'.

As with all things interwebby a large container of salt is necessary.

Threads such as these are good in publicising what's now provable and more damage will hopefully be avoided - but that's probably of trite consideration for those who've lost out and had only heard good things about the company.

Personally I've always been overly wary of SOR - if your house had wheels and sloppy paperwork would you drop it off at an estate agents?

Especially in challenging economic times good reputations (online or 'real') shouldn't be blinding.

[steven f]

matc said:

AJSG said:

steven f said:

absoutley amazed that the verdi thread is still locked on club scuderia they seem to be in denial over there and keep putting sponsers before there members who have lost money think its time the mods/comms that run that site resigned anybody who re-starts the thread gets banned

Edited by steven f on Thursday 22 December 08:22

What it tells you is that that bloke from Verdi and the people that run that forum have the same moral standards. The best thing you can do is leave that forum, less footfall equals no sponsorship.

I agree with this, club scud is an odd place with very odd rules. Has the potential to be great but the mods are too wrapped up in their own self importance to worry about what experience the users are getting from their site.

They need to realise that no users = no revenue.

would be interesting to know how many of the committe on cs past and present have used verdi i know of a few that have wonder if they got special treatment or discount ??????

[AJSG]

pork911 said:

Especially in challenging economic times good reputations (online or 'real') shouldn't be blinding.

Forums should be open spaces for free debate...as easily as the users can attack dealers, the dealers can defend themselves.

The fact that on this forum (and most others) there are no official presences shows you how terrified they are of being confronted in a public arena.

This is not limited to cars and dealers, its an industry wide issue. People generally "sell" a lot more than they actually deliver, in all industries.

Case in point, hands up how many people bought FTSE tracking SIPPs/ISA and other such tripe? For a 100th of the fees you can buy and hold a FTSE future...and you have a cast iron guarantee that you will lose less money in a downturn and make more money in an upswing. Does it take a genius, no, but then the IFA doesn't get paid, the manager doesn't get paid, the introducer...you get my drift.

In the end you have years like this where FTSE tracking ISAs are down 13-15% yet the index is only down by 3 and a bit percent.

[pork911]

But libel exists and (rightly or wrongly) distorts free debate hence the need for salt.

[Try5t]

I think forums are over protective on the name and shame policy - the reality is that free speech exists and there also defences to liable and slander which seek to ensure that those who are "innocent" get protected accordingly.

As a lawyer it is my view that people have a right to set out their experiences in an accurate way; if the party at the subject of the accusation wants to challenge it, then formally do so. The complete blanket ban on " naming" seems wholly disproportionate in the circumstances and there is always scope to rectify any damage done.

Perhaps if a more subjective approach were adapted - them perhaps a few less rogues would be in existence today.

[pork911]

All very worthy, but would you be willing to underwite this free speech with your house?

(OT - what's a lawyer?)

[AJSG]

pork911 said:

But libel exists and (rightly or wrongly) distorts free debate hence the need for salt.

If the right to reply is given, then where is the libel? Also if the forum was run not for profit and non nominate...who are you going to sue? The ISV? Suppose you could sue Edison's family for popularising electricity which then enabled such slander to be posted...

[McMacro]

pork911 said:

But libel exists and (rightly or wrongly) distorts free debate hence the need for salt.

How do these review sites get away with it then? And why are the owners of they sites not liable for comments/critisism? Odd.

I suppose it's who sponsors PH that's more important, than people's experiences.

[pork911]

The right to reply (especially after the event) is insufficient to avoid libel.