Quick question - Enzo respray

[TonyHetherington]

The answer, I think, is personal preference.

[Jaykaybi]

Scalper said:

this brings up an interesting question... if we had to have our Ferrari's resprayed, would it be better to go for a top quality concours finish which however would compromise the originality of the car, or to have it resprayed as per factory specification?

Surely, if having it resprayed (ie: no longer the original paint, so that consideration is out the window) you would at least want the best possible finish?

Non-original, poor-quality paintwork must logically be the worst possible combination of attributes.

[Scalper]

Jaykaybi said:

Surely, if having it resprayed (ie: no longer the original paint, so that consideration is out the window) you would at least want the best possible finish?

Non-original, poor-quality paintwork must logically be the worst possible combination of attributes.

I'm not sure...
bringing the car back to bare metal, and doing a full repaint as per (crappy) factory specification the car would end up being exactly as it left the factory: it would be indistinguishable from a car that had just rolled off the assembly line.
while I do get your point, I'd probably tend to consider it fully original despite the respray

let's try with an analogy: if you had to re-trim the seats would you use the exact same leather that was used by the factory, or would you use a higher quality more supple leather?
in the case of a re-trim I would have no dubts in saying that to me the orignal lower quality option would definitely be preferable
however in the case of repaint I'm really not sure of what I'd opt for if faced with such a decision

[Jaykaybi]

Scalper said:

Jaykaybi said:

Surely, if having it resprayed (ie: no longer the original paint, so that consideration is out the window) you would at least want the best possible finish?

Non-original, poor-quality paintwork must logically be the worst possible combination of attributes.

I'm not sure...
bringing the car back to bare metal, and doing a full repaint as per (crappy) factory specification the car would end up being exactly as it left the factory: it would be indistinguishable from a car that had just rolled off the assembly line.
while I do get your point, I'd probably tend to consider it fully original despite the respray

let's try with an analogy: if you had to re-trim the seats would you use the exact same leather that was used by the factory, or would you use a higher quality more supple leather?
in the case of a re-trim I would have no dubts in saying that to me the orignal lower quality option would definitely be preferable
however in the case of repaint I'm really not sure of what I'd opt for if faced with such a decision

Good analogy, but let's take it one step further because I think we'll reach the same conclusion.

Accurate (read: not very good) re-trim = car isn't 'original' and can't be described/valued as such, but may score some sentimental/purist points because it looks more like the original job.

Improved (read: superior craftsmanship evident) re-trim = car isn't 'original' and can't be described/valued as such, but may score points on being in a 'better' condition than others by any other objective measure of quality.

Back to re-sprays: I think ultimately a lot of the worry with non-original cars is that you question what they're hiding. However, I would go so far as to suggest that if a fully documented portfolio is presented which allays any fears of foul play, I can imagine a noticeably superior job actually enhancing a car's financial value, and unless they were extremely forthcoming I would be more suspicious of an owner opting to deliberately temper/bodge a job in order to look original:

a) for fear that the intention was to disguise something unpleasant, or
b) using 'originality' as an excuse to get cheap work done and cut corners (which could cast niggling doubts over the maintenance history)

I will say this though - I'm not an Enzo buyer, so I'm talking pure conjecture and I'm aware of it.

Edited by Jaykaybi on Monday 21st May 21:59

[AndrewW-G]

IMHO, it depends on the age of the car . . . . .

Modern will depend on the owners preference and the usage patterns of the car.

99% of older cars have required restoration. Paintwork being undertaken, not only due to use, but also as the original materials break down (the original lacquer cracks and flakes off over time) at which point, unless the fabric of the body is factory perfect, it makes sense to do the job properly.

[kds keltec]

I guess this is going to be interesting to see your views on this.

I am genuinely interested on your thoughts.

When discussing with my clients what we have been doing for the last 3 months, it’s caused a bit of controversy to say the least, with most saying I can’t believe what you are doing.

But when those very same people viewed the end results the reply is “how stunning the car is and why would you want it to look very average as from factory” this is coming from guys that own a collection of exotic cars and aim to one day have a car like an enzo.
My take on the whole must be original depends on usage / is it a keeper / when and where is it going to be used / has it already had paintwork etc.

Also I think as long as you have complete documentation of the whole process does this not help to show that its been done for the correct right reasons and not to hide something from potential new owner.

Anyway here are a few finished shots to see what your take is on this subject.





inside of the door reflection


















kelly

[Streetrod]

The thing with original is that over time it will only ever get worse, at what point do you say enough is enough and restore a car or do you let natural take is course and let a car rust into the ground?

I have seen many a museum based car that has never seen the road and to say they look very unloved would be an understatement. Paints breaks down over time, rubber seals perish tyres go hard.

If you intend to use an important car I think it is your duty to keep it is as good a condition as possible. That way fans of the future will hopefully get to enjoy them as much as we do

[AndrewW-G]

Shiny car, job well done

[snuffle]

Stunning paintwork, congratulations.

[ilovevolvo]

kds keltec said:

I guess this is going to be interesting to see your views on this.

I am genuinely interested on your thoughts.

When discussing with my clients what we have been doing for the last 3 months, it’s caused a bit of controversy to say the least, with most saying I can’t believe what you are doing.

But when those very same people viewed the end results the reply is “how stunning the car is and why would you want it to look very average as from factory” this is coming from guys that own a collection of exotic cars and aim to one day have a car like an enzo.
My take on the whole must be original depends on usage / is it a keeper / when and where is it going to be used / has it already had paintwork etc.

Also I think as long as you have complete documentation of the whole process does this not help to show that its been done for the correct right reasons and not to hide something from potential new owner.

Anyway here are a few finished shots to see what your take is on this subject.





inside of the door reflection


















kelly

Hi Kelly have you done a full right up on this job ?

Russ

[kds keltec]

ilovevolvo said:

Hi Kelly have you done a full right up on this job ?

Russ

Not yet Russ.

something for the future thou , i have around 60 gigs of photos and more importantly HD videos to sort through.

it will be i many chapters / stages , as we have filmed absolutely every stage possible and far tto big to do i one go

kelly

[ilovevolvo]

kds keltec said:

Not yet Russ.

something for the future thou , i have around 60 gigs of photos and more importantly HD videos to sort through.

it will be i many chapters / stages , as we have filmed absolutely every stage possible and far tto big to do i one go

kelly

Great look forward to reading it

Russ