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JamieBeeston
8,700 posts
134 months
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kbf1981 said: What's the waiting list on a new one? 18 months? Q3 2013
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tescor
267 posts
97 months
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I got a good look at one when I followed a black LHD spider along the M4 about a month ago for 20 minutes, in busy traffic (how else could I keep up  ) It had the roof down, and from my (driving) position it looked (and sounded) great. I guess that's because I couldn't see the solid engine cover. The pictures of the rear, taken from a high position don't do it any favours. I've yet to see one with the roof up, so can't comment on that.
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Pork
7,840 posts
103 months
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I'm guessing the glass engine cover will come in as an option as second hand ones begin to lose the premium.
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franki68
1,424 posts
90 months
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Looks a bit odd with roof up,looks wise doesn't hit the spot for me,must be good fun to drive though.
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matc
4,282 posts
76 months
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JamieBeeston said: kbf1981 said: What's the waiting list on a new one? 18 months? Q3 2013 So 18 months then? 
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BelfastBoy
524 posts
29 months
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I know that the looks of the 458 / Spider really divide opinion. Much as I desire one in either configuration, I'm not blind to the styling flaws (specifically the bling bling headlights), although the lack of a clear engine cover in the spider wouldn't be a problem for me. I agree with whoever commented that it doesn't look the best in red; to which I'd add that my personal preference would be for black, or a dark shade of blue, specifically TDF or Pozzi.
Is this a car that Hartleys have acquired from a speculating customer, or do they order vehicles themselves direct with delivery miles? In any case, they've got the most obvious colour combinations for resale and to appeal to the widest potential market of those who want to jump the queue and aren't too fussed about the premium. If nothing else, it'll be a great fun car for the summer (if the weather's nice).
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kryten22uk
1,321 posts
100 months
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CIE560 said: I agree with this (besides the F430 part  ) The two large bumps behind the seats look huge in photos, I'm yet to see it in person though to be fair. Oops, meant to say I always thought the f430 SPYDER looked off, not the coupe, which is awesome.
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fatboy69
4,811 posts
56 months
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Gulzar said: Im a complete utter fan of the 458 and the idea of a spider is willy dribble material but I cannot stand the look of that from the back it actually looks disgusting! And thats coming from ME!!! lol but hey nothing a few tweaks here and there cant sort...:P Oh god no. Please stay away from the 458! The mind boggles as to what you would do with one if ever you got your hands on one..... Then again the thread would keep us amused for months. Not to mention increasing the sales of diamanté, loctite superglue etc etc!
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Nigel H
429 posts
79 months
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BelfastBoy said: Is this a car that Hartleys have acquired from a speculating customer, or do they order vehicles themselves direct with delivery miles? In any case, they've got the most obvious colour combinations for resale and to appeal to the widest potential market of those who want to jump the queue and aren't too fussed about the premium. If nothing else, it'll be a great fun car for the summer (if the weather's nice). I don't think they order them themselves. But I've often wondered about this, I thought Ferrari and the like tried to take steps to prevent cars like this being sold for overs. Like selling to favoured customers and contract clauses preventing cars being sold on within a certain time. Anybody shed any light on this world?
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StuH
1,987 posts
142 months
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Stunning! I'll take mine in black.
Prettiest Ferrari since the 355 imo.
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subirg
247 posts
145 months
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Man alive. I don't care who's selling it or how much over list it is- £300k is a ridiculous amount of cash to pay for non limited edition cooking Ferrari v8. Looks like car prices are headed back to seriously bubbled territory... Anyone remember how that ended last time around???
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kbf1981
1,562 posts
69 months
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subirg said: Man alive. I don't care who's selling it or how much over list it is- £300k is a ridiculous amount of cash to pay for non limited edition cooking Ferrari v8. Looks like car prices are headed back to seriously bubbled territory... Anyone remember how that ended last time around??? I agree to some extent. £200k seems the going rate for an entry level supercar now (458, MP4). On the other hand, if they cut volume, that'll be cool.
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R.P.M
1,282 posts
90 months
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Appears now sold.
Also sold a black 458 coupe this week too.
Hartley sure can buy and sell stock.
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suddin7
40 posts
67 months
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Stunning car but would think twice at 300k
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kbf1981
1,562 posts
69 months
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Pork
7,840 posts
103 months
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R.P.M said: Appears now sold.
Also sold a black 458 coupe this week too.
Hartley sure can buy and sell stock. I remember Hartley Sr being interviewed on TV years back, during a previous recession, and someone saying "how do you survive a recession", and he just said "we sell cars for less, so buy them for less". He made it sound very, very simple.
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Camlet
306 posts
18 months
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Nigel H said: BelfastBoy said: Is this a car that Hartleys have acquired from a speculating customer, or do they order vehicles themselves direct with delivery miles? In any case, they've got the most obvious colour combinations for resale and to appeal to the widest potential market of those who want to jump the queue and aren't too fussed about the premium. If nothing else, it'll be a great fun car for the summer (if the weather's nice). I don't think they order them themselves. But I've often wondered about this, I thought Ferrari and the like tried to take steps to prevent cars like this being sold for overs. Like selling to favoured customers and contract clauses preventing cars being sold on within a certain time. Anybody shed any light on this world? Neither Ferrari nor their dealer network give a monkey. Quite the opposite. Speculation is great for business. Ferrari has no reason to stop it. Why should they? They start with a power brand, great new product and an extremely sophisticated sales and marketing programme including highly controlled supply and aftersales (witness their new 7 year warranty to use and keep close track of their customer base in a new digital marketing world). They have fickle customers who don't like to wait for anything. Money doesn't make you happy, it makes you impatient. So Ferrari makes 'em wait. Time becomes a powerful tool. Allows dealer margins to be squeezed while dealers have to beg, allows new car prices to remain granite like and makes even the biggest most impatient punter feel like they've the ultimate Ferrari relationship when they're told they've been bumped up the list. Happens all the time. With every luxury brand. Hermes does it with their bags. Even happened with Levi jeans back in the 80s. Smart selling. As for Tom, Tom jnr and others, they are brilliant traders. It takes huge amount of time, much skill, experience and a deep network of connections to be part of that ecosystem. As a customer, it's impressive to see up close.
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K50 DEL
5,221 posts
97 months
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As I posted on the Middle East forum, my boss here bought the first 458 spider in Dubai.... having had a good look around it, the interior is stunning, the exterior with the roof down is great. Really not a fan with the roof up though, his previous California looked much better. That said, I wouldn't complain at driving one to work every day! 
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15HN
367 posts
96 months
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Camlet said: Nigel H said: BelfastBoy said: Is this a car that Hartleys have acquired from a speculating customer, or do they order vehicles themselves direct with delivery miles? In any case, they've got the most obvious colour combinations for resale and to appeal to the widest potential market of those who want to jump the queue and aren't too fussed about the premium. If nothing else, it'll be a great fun car for the summer (if the weather's nice). I don't think they order them themselves. But I've often wondered about this, I thought Ferrari and the like tried to take steps to prevent cars like this being sold for overs. Like selling to favoured customers and contract clauses preventing cars being sold on within a certain time. Anybody shed any light on this world? Neither Ferrari nor their dealer network give a monkey. Quite the opposite. Speculation is great for business. Ferrari has no reason to stop it. Why should they? They start with a power brand, great new product and an extremely sophisticated sales and marketing programme including highly controlled supply and aftersales (witness their new 7 year warranty to use and keep close track of their customer base in a new digital marketing world). They have fickle customers who don't like to wait for anything. Money doesn't make you happy, it makes you impatient. So Ferrari makes 'em wait. Time becomes a powerful tool. Allows dealer margins to be squeezed while dealers have to beg, allows new car prices to remain granite like and makes even the biggest most impatient punter feel like they've the ultimate Ferrari relationship when they're told they've been bumped up the list. Happens all the time. With every luxury brand. Hermes does it with their bags. Even happened with Levi jeans back in the 80s. Smart selling. As for Tom, Tom jnr and others, they are brilliant traders. It takes huge amount of time, much skill, experience and a deep network of connections to be part of that ecosystem. As a customer, it's impressive to see up close. Ferrari GB and the dealers do care or at least they make out they do. Tom will offer clients with early cars a premium. I expect somewhere between £20-30k on a car like this spider. If GB sees an early car advertised then they will identify the customer and the dealer. On occasions they have written direct to the customer expressing disappointment. Apparently they can also penalise dealers by reducing allocation. The chances are the customer won't get an early allocation again.
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MartinTorque
373 posts
64 months
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15HN said: Camlet said: Nigel H said: BelfastBoy said: Is this a car that Hartleys have acquired from a speculating customer, or do they order vehicles themselves direct with delivery miles? In any case, they've got the most obvious colour combinations for resale and to appeal to the widest potential market of those who want to jump the queue and aren't too fussed about the premium. If nothing else, it'll be a great fun car for the summer (if the weather's nice). I don't think they order them themselves. But I've often wondered about this, I thought Ferrari and the like tried to take steps to prevent cars like this being sold for overs. Like selling to favoured customers and contract clauses preventing cars being sold on within a certain time. Anybody shed any light on this world? Neither Ferrari nor their dealer network give a monkey. Quite the opposite. Speculation is great for business. Ferrari has no reason to stop it. Why should they? They start with a power brand, great new product and an extremely sophisticated sales and marketing programme including highly controlled supply and aftersales (witness their new 7 year warranty to use and keep close track of their customer base in a new digital marketing world). They have fickle customers who don't like to wait for anything. Money doesn't make you happy, it makes you impatient. So Ferrari makes 'em wait. Time becomes a powerful tool. Allows dealer margins to be squeezed while dealers have to beg, allows new car prices to remain granite like and makes even the biggest most impatient punter feel like they've the ultimate Ferrari relationship when they're told they've been bumped up the list. Happens all the time. With every luxury brand. Hermes does it with their bags. Even happened with Levi jeans back in the 80s. Smart selling. As for Tom, Tom jnr and others, they are brilliant traders. It takes huge amount of time, much skill, experience and a deep network of connections to be part of that ecosystem. As a customer, it's impressive to see up close. Ferrari GB and the dealers do care or at least they make out they do. Tom will offer clients with early cars a premium. I expect somewhere between £20-30k on a car like this spider. If GB sees an early car advertised then they will identify the customer and the dealer. On occasions they have written direct to the customer expressing disappointment. Apparently they can also penalise dealers by reducing allocation. The chances are the customer won't get an early allocation again. Absolutely. All manufacturers are particular about this but Ferrari are probably the worst! When Tom Hartley had his first 458 in stock the dealer got so much grief they had to go and pay the retail price from Tom to get it back!!
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