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Dblue
1,542 posts
69 months
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toppstuff said: wtdoom said: cptsideways said: I've met many car collectors & the LFA is considered rare & special enough to be on their A List. You will not be loosing money on it I think you'll find. The noise is simply epic & you could use it every day if you wanted to. This is my opinion too , but I have no facts to support it . I completely agree. Comparisons to the GTR are nothing more than Clarkson inspired gibberish. The GTR is closer to a Nissan Note than the LFA, such is the extraordinary degree of geeky bespoke parts and design evident in the LFA. By all accounts Lexus do not make money on any LFA they sell, such is the bespoke complexity of the thing. It is an EPIC car. And very collectible IMO. It will always be very, very special. I do not believe we will see a new car ever again with a mega-revving V10 engine. This alone will make the LFA very special in the future. I fundamentally agree with your points re the bespoke nature of the LFA , it's a lovely thing BUT the GTR does many things better than the Lexus. Actually quite a lot of things and intrinsically its very nearly as bespoke. Its way off beam to dismiss the GTR as like a Nissan note or in fact any other Nissan. A unique drivetrain with its own (Fantastic) box, some miraculous electronics and world class performance.You can suggest that the LFA , rightly, that its epic but it'll still be choking on the fumes of the much cheaper rival from up the road. Speed is NOT everything but it helps. But the LFA will be strong because its exclusive,unique and there wont be another quite like it. And it not being a Porsche/Ferrari/Lambo is very much in its favour.
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70proof
3,102 posts
24 months
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wtdoom said: except we all know that Toyota probably spent more money on the electric window switches in r and d than Horacio did on the whole car ) .
With respect its absolutely nothing like a GTR , the only thing they have in common is the country of origin . whats r&d budgets got to do with anything.... toyota when in f1 had the largest budgets by far and didn;t even finish on the podium..... you can throw a lot of money at a bunch of idiots, or spend little for a better product with highly skilled individuals.... watch some youtube vids of the gtr's creator talking..... almost everything is bespoke and thought through... even down to the paint mix..... the shape...we all think it's fat, it's drag cd is stunning...
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toppstuff
8,388 posts
116 months
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Dblue said: I fundamentally agree with your points re the bespoke nature of the LFA , it's a lovely thing BUT the GTR does many things better than the Lexus. Actually quite a lot of things and intrinsically its very nearly as bespoke. Its way off beam to dismiss the GTR as like a Nissan note or in fact any other Nissan. A unique drivetrain with its own (Fantastic) box, some miraculous electronics and world class performance.You can suggest that the LFA , rightly, that its epic but it'll still be choking on the fumes of the much cheaper rival from up the road. Speed is NOT everything but it helps.
But the LFA will be strong because its exclusive,unique and there wont be another quite like it.
And it not being a Porsche/Ferrari/Lambo is very much in its favour. Granted, I'm being mischievous in my Nissan Note comparison, but it is not as silly as it sounds. The GTR is a mass produced car, designed to be built in numbers. The LFA just isn't .
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Dblue
1,542 posts
69 months
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70proof said: wtdoom said: except we all know that Toyota probably spent more money on the electric window switches in r and d than Horacio did on the whole car ) .
With respect its absolutely nothing like a GTR , the only thing they have in common is the country of origin . whats r&d budgets got to do with anything.... toyota when in f1 had the largest budgets by far and didn;t even finish on the podium..... you can throw a lot of money at a bunch of idiots, or spend little for a better product with highly skilled individuals.... watch some youtube vids of the gtr's creator talking..... almost everything is bespoke and thought through... even down to the paint mix..... the shape...we all think it's fat, it's drag cd is stunning... Spot on Mohan, It's not given the credit for it's bespoke nature because its cheap. The "Stella Artois" principle. It's NOT reassuringly expensive ergo it can't be as special as an LFA. Personally I think the N/A high revving V10 is great, more exciting than any turbocharged 6 and its beautifully made but GTRs are almost hand built on their own line, feature bulletproof engineering and just don't break. Different to the Lexus in principle perhaps but not to be dismissed as lacking "specialness" just because they're affordable.
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AndrewD
4,321 posts
153 months
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Given the way it looks, I'm glad it is such a rare thing 
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Scalper
200 posts
110 months
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kbf1981 said: Tbh can't see them depreciating massively simply because there's sod all about. I think it's a bit too optimistic. even a very limited production is no guarantee against massive depreciation Look at the prices of other highly collectible limited production Italian supercars They've only made 448 Ferrari Barchettas and they are now less than half the price of a new one. Same thing goes with the Superamerica, and probably the same will happen with the SA Aperta Given that it's a Lexus, and there's not as many keen collectors as for the Ferraris, demand in that price range is going to be quite limited. I think that once the first owners will have grown tired of their cars and will want to sell them on, prices will take a massive hit and it will not be too long before we see them trading in the 100k price bracket However since buying a supercar has never been a rational decision, as long as the OP likes it and is prepared to take the hit, I think he should go ahead with the purchase 
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toohuge
1,667 posts
85 months
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I think with cars such as this - as in very bespoke and real connoisseurs cars - then in order to buy one then one has to be in the position where taking a huge hit is not a massive problem as the likelihood of selling is very slim.
In my opinion, the LFA is too expensive for what it is and residuals will likely fall off (similar to the SLR).
Chris
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isaldiri
151 posts
37 months
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toppstuff said: Which is part of the appeal. I personally couldn't give a monkeys what other people think it is. I wouldn't care that the less informed would consider the obvious Italian or German brands first. I would know how rare, bespoke and special it is and that's enough for me.
As with so many of the finest things in the world, the best things are those things where only those people who know what they are, know what they are.
I would even pick one over an Aventadour if it was the same money. While there is no doubt the LFA is a superbly engineered car, for that price I have to admit I would get a Carrera GT over the LFA. Just personal preference though admittedly...
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yellowtr
871 posts
95 months
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Well if you want to see one for yourself and have the oppotunity to have a ride in one, get yourself to www.thesupercarevent.comThere will be a limited amount of rides available with a professional driver driving it.
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XB70
1,712 posts
65 months
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yellowtr said: Well if you want to see one for yourself and have the oppotunity to have a ride in one, get yourself to www.thesupercarevent.comThere will be a limited amount of rides available with a professional driver driving it. Damn you man! Now I will be utterly depressed and flog my poor LS430 senseless. :-)
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XB70
1,712 posts
65 months
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easytiger123 said: ...until after I've got to make my decision and put the (not inconsiderable, and non-refundable) deposit down. I am a bit of a fan of the old Lexus brand *grin* but, even with a Euromillions win and more money than I knew what to do with, I would not put a non-refundable deposit down. I am presuming that this is not a build-to-order but rather an existing car? Otherwise, then yes if you want fluro-green with black and yellow velour interior or some other wierd combination. A letter from your bank etc to confirm that you have the means to pay...yes A refundable deposit of a large/very large amount...yes Each of these show the ability and means to pay. However, non-refundable just seems odd. Why are they imposing this condition?
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wtdoom
1,514 posts
77 months
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Dblue said: 70proof said: wtdoom said: except we all know that Toyota probably spent more money on the electric window switches in r and d than Horacio did on the whole car ) .
With respect its absolutely nothing like a GTR , the only thing they have in common is the country of origin . whats r&d budgets got to do with anything.... toyota when in f1 had the largest budgets by far and didn;t even finish on the podium..... you can throw a lot of money at a bunch of idiots, or spend little for a better product with highly skilled individuals.... watch some youtube vids of the gtr's creator talking..... almost everything is bespoke and thought through... even down to the paint mix..... the shape...we all think it's fat, it's drag cd is stunning... Spot on Mohan, It's not given the credit for it's bespoke nature because its cheap. The "Stella Artois" principle. It's NOT reassuringly expensive ergo it can't be as special as an LFA. Personally I think the N/A high revving V10 is great, more exciting than any turbocharged 6 and its beautifully made but GTRs are almost hand built on their own line, feature bulletproof engineering and just don't break. Different to the Lexus in principle perhaps but not to be dismissed as lacking "specialness" just because they're affordable.[/quote Gents you have me wrong . The quality of the LFA was not discussed meaning the gtr is the opposite . I was trying to get across the LFA to those that may not be aware of it . My different to the gtr comment was referring to 2 wd to 4 wd , na v10 to turbo 6 , carbon construction to metal and the differences in the drive .was not meant as a slur on the gt2 which I actually rate very highly . Oh and to me r and d is very important in a road car and its quality . I can't comment on f1 as its just crap and irrelevant to my point ]
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Dblue
1,542 posts
69 months
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wtdoom said: Gents you have me wrong . The quality of the LFA was not discussed meaning the gtr is the opposite . I was trying to get across the LFA to those that may not be aware of it . My different to the gtr comment was referring to 2 wd to 4 wd , na v10 to turbo 6 , carbon construction to metal and the differences in the drive .was not meant as a slur on the GTR which I actually rate very highly . Oh and to me r and d is very important in a road car and its quality . I can't comment on f1 as its just crap and irrelevant to my point ] I understand what you were getting at, different in concept but actually surprisingly similar in obsessive attention to detail. The GTR will probably make money in due course for Nissan , the LFA like the Veyron has been a money pit for it's maker. it's function as halo car for the range is partially successful but although it's exquisite in some ways the price is very very ambitious. Driven surely by the enormous cost of the thing to develop (and it took soooo long) I am not a huge fan of it's styling but that's a very personal thing. There are so few around it's hard to judge how they are doing but a fairly dramatic drop to begin with followed by a settling down then a degree of inflation. Probably do at least as well as 599 GTO which is a very similar car in concept.
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Lambo FirstBlood
592 posts
48 months
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I like stuff that's different and the LFA is certainly a left field choice. I say, if you drive it and still like the idea, then go for it. I'd love to tell people I drove a Lexus and then see their faces when I rock up in a bright orange LFA Nurburgring edition
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easytiger123
Original Poster
381 posts
78 months
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Apologies for the belated update everyone, and thanks for all your input. I'm still undecided and Lexus have kindly extended the deadline so I can actually get into their demo (though not actually drive it) in early July so will decide then. I'm very tempted indeed to get one as a more long-term replacement for the Aventador. Will be back with an update then. In the meantime...keep those views coming! They are very helpful.
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Lambo FirstBlood
592 posts
48 months
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easytiger123 said: Apologies for the belated update everyone, and thanks for all your input. I'm still undecided and Lexus have kindly extended the deadline so I can actually get into their demo (though not actually drive it) in early July so will decide then. I'm very tempted indeed to get one as a more long-term replacement for the Aventador. Will be back with an update then. In the meantime...keep those views coming! They are very helpful. Does that mean, you would have to commit without a test drive? If so, I think that's very harsh, especially in light of the fact that there are no historic models you could get a feel from. I wouldn't buy without a test drive
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famoussas
417 posts
52 months
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Pesty
25,904 posts
125 months
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evo did a test against a 599GTO and they preferred the LFA IIRC.
I have seen and heard one at Vmax and they are awesome things.
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GALLARDOGUY
4,277 posts
88 months
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Lambo FirstBlood said: easytiger123 said: Apologies for the belated update everyone, and thanks for all your input. I'm still undecided and Lexus have kindly extended the deadline so I can actually get into their demo (though not actually drive it) in early July so will decide then. I'm very tempted indeed to get one as a more long-term replacement for the Aventador. Will be back with an update then. In the meantime...keep those views coming! They are very helpful. Does that mean, you would have to commit without a test drive? If so, I think that's very harsh, especially in light of the fact that there are no historic models you could get a feel from. I wouldn't buy without a test drive Exactly this. OP you make it sound as if Lexus are doing you a favour. They are doing anything but!
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Johnboy Mac
2,666 posts
47 months
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A very interesting thread and even more so in light of the article by PH on Thursday.
OP, keep the Lambo or change to the Lexus? The LFA gets my vote, it's a true connoiseurs super car by all accounts (even if the badge doesn't fit with the majority of petrol heads - not that that's important).
As somebody already mentioned, this car should be celebrated because it's not a Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche etc, that alone imo is a bloody good reason to buy - actually, this Lexus might get classed as the 'thinking mans super car'?
As for the comment made by one poster that the LFA will drop to 100k, all I can say is I hope they are correct because I'd consider a life style overhaul to have one at that price but I very much doubt they will drop to that level - if they do it will be a reflection on petrol heads rather than the car itself judging by road tests, reports & associated articles.
Regardless, no matter what you decide to do OP, it's still a hell of a lot of money. Even if you don't buy one, 10/10 for giving it due consideration.
Edited: spelling
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