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Schnellmann
Original Poster
1,216 posts
73 months
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At the end of last year I toyed with the idea of getting an F40. After a lot of thought, hand-wringing and negotiation with my wife I decided to defer a potential purchase until at least March 2013 (next bonus....if I get one). However, having agreed to defer the purchase of the F40 I did manage to secure agreement to buy a CS, which I acquired in April.
Apart from a problem in the first week of ownership the CS has been brilliant. Love the looks, love the noise, love the way it drives. I'm even loving the flappy-paddle gearbox, which is a real surprise as I was definitely in the manual-gearbox brigade beforehand (if it continues like this I might even have to shave off my beard!)
Anyway, now I am wondering whether it would make sense to "upgrade" to the F40. The F40 ticks some extra boxes: it is a true supercar - not just a super car like the CS, it is an icon and it looks amazing. However, it means investing about 4 times as much cash, will cost more to run and is probably even more difficult to sell in an emergency (or rather, the discount to achieve a sale would have to be even higher.
More importantly, I wonder whether the driving experience would be as good. In a straight line the F40 would be brilliant but I wonder whether I'd end up - through lack of skill - just driving it in a "point and squirt" manner, because of the fear of waking the turbos in anything but a straight line.
Anyone on here that has owned both (or had extensive experience of both) have any comments?
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R500POP
5,919 posts
79 months
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Worst "I get a massive bonus you poorpers" thread ever. 
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Soovy
31,957 posts
140 months
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Have a chat with JamieBeeston - he's just bought one.
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AdvocatusD
1,886 posts
100 months
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Schnellmann said: Anyway, now I am wondering whether it would make sense to "upgrade" to the F40. The F40 ticks some extra boxes: it is a true supercar - not just a super car like the CS, it is an icon and it looks amazing. However, it means investing about 4 times as much cash, will cost more to run and is probably even more difficult to sell in an emergency (or rather, the discount to achieve a sale would have to be even higher. For me, it would be a no-brainer, I'd take the F40 everytime. The CS is more "useable", but from what I gather, either car is going to be a fair weather special occassion car anyway. If you've got the disposable, the F40 is going to be an appreciating asset which hopefully may cancel out the running costs. I think the CS has a while to go before it starts appreciating. Emergency cash point is a valid concern, but I promise to give you 50% of value if you're in a hurry. So there, all solved.  Put some pictures up when you buy it, black's the best colour! 
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Council Baby
16,096 posts
59 months
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Soovy said: Have a chat with JamieBeeston - he's just bought one. Passengered most of the way to LM with him. Awesome vehicle. Don't think he's had much use out of it since though. It got an almost unreal amount of attention, which I think is why he bought it  Joking aside, they're currently seen by the majority as a very solid investment, use the price rise over the last few years to sell it to your wife 
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Schnellmann
Original Poster
1,216 posts
73 months
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AdvocatusD said: Emergency cash point is a valid concern, but I promise to give you 50% of value if you're in a hurry. So there, all solved.   50% discount - I think that is exactly what the wife is worried about! 
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George H
10,210 posts
33 months
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AdvocatusD said: Put some pictures up when you buy it, black's the best colour! Just not matte black  It's impressive how they managed to make an F40 look that bad.
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Schnellmann
Original Poster
1,216 posts
73 months
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R500POP said: Worst "I get a massive bonus you poorpers" thread ever.  Oops...might have given the wrong impression: I can't buy an F40 with just one bonus! If I could, there would be one in my garage already 
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R500POP
5,919 posts
79 months
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Schnellmann said: R500POP said: Worst "I get a massive bonus you poorpers" thread ever.  Oops...might have given the wrong impression: I can't buy an F40 with just one bonus! If I could, there would be one in my garage already  I was kidding. But if you can afford it then what's stopping you.
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DMC2
596 posts
80 months
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What is the current going rate for an F40?
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AmoCS
72 posts
88 months
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AdvocatusD
1,886 posts
100 months
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George H said: Just not matte black  It's impressive how they managed to make an F40 look that bad. Normal black definitely better, but that's hardly awful! Especially like that picture because it shows you how awesome the thing looks next to something that is 20 years younger.
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JazzyO
995 posts
50 months
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DMC2 said: What is the current going rate for an F40? 400k and upwards. Schnellmann, I would get the F40, but I think prices will rise still before you're in a position to buy. The only reason I would not do it would be if I didn't have any other toys, but you have a Porsche right? The F40 is fantastic, and not just in a straight line. It is a bit nerve-wrecking on a damp road, but my specialist just loves them exactly for that reason. He drifts the F40 in massive slides easily. Now he's a good driver, but it says a lot about the car as well. I found the feedback through the steering, throttle and brakes just phenomenal. It is an old school car with new school speed. The biggest thing is the sense of occasion, though. The popping, banging, whooshing (etc) going on makes this car feel alive. You come out of it completely intoxicated. Now the CS is fun, but not like that. I think if you drive one you'd make up your mind pretty quick. Onno
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pistolp
779 posts
91 months
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I've got both. For me, they are both great cars. But the F40 is the F40, there's no competition. If I could only have one I'd have the F40 to be honest. I just spent a week in mine driving it down to Vence in South of France from London, went on Route Napoleon etc. It was a mind blowing trip and I bonded with the car a lot. I have already owned it two years, had another F40 before it etc. However, after a week in it and driving it pretty much flat out everywhere, I can tell you I've had few better times behind the wheel. And there is some serious competition. I know what you mean about the point and squirt thoughts, I don't agree though. I don't know how much experience you've got, but my advice would be to buy one and drive it lots. Get familiar with it and loss that sense of being intimidated. Honestly, it's a very communicative car and it really isn't the death trap people make out. I drive mine like its been stolen and I've only ever been surprised or caught out once. It was wet then, you do have to be more careful when it's not dry. Just be mindful of the boost then, particularly on uneven surfaces as that could catch you out. But in the dry its very progressive, you needn't worry if you learn the limits and show it some respect. That said you can still grab it by the scruff of the neck. In fact the faster you go the better, that way you keep it on boost (over 4k rpm approx) and you avoid the sudden spikes of power. It's only really going to be an issue in first and second anyway, when dry. Expect a bit of opposite lock and all will be well. They do tend to understeer a bit, all the weight is in the rear after all. You have to be a bit careful here exiting corners as if you've got a load of lock on and the boost comes in that understeer can turn to snap oversteer but to be honest the lag often saves you. By the time the turbo lag has passed you by, the fronts have usually gripped and you are off again. The understeer can also be dialled out with a bit of trail braking, the brakes are not great but don't be afraid to really lean on them and there is plenty of bite for a road car. You just need to learn how much stopping power you've got. It's not easy to lock them in the dry either given the lack of ABS. The steering is about a telegraphic as you could ask for. You feel exactly what the fronts are doing and this aids you in driving the car quick no end. There is so much info you know how much or how little grip you've got at all times. Other manufacturers can sample that steering and weep. I have only experienced equal steering feel twice, that was in a Caterham and a 73 RS. Not bad in other words. The running costs aren't all that. It's probably 1500 a year and possibly less if there is no major work. Not bad for a car of that pedigree. Obviously you've got tanks every 10 or so years, think that is about 10k. But if you've got 400k burning a hole, then this shouldn't deter you. The CS, well you've got one. A rare breed and a fantastic car. However, most people who prefer this to the F40 do so because it's easier to drive, it flatters them. That isn't a real reason to prefer the car. Trust me, if you can learn to drive your F40 like you can your CS there would be no comparison. It's such a rewarding car and that is because it's a challenge to drive it. Almost anyone can jump in a CS and rag that though. For me that spoils it slightly. The CS is so user friendly, it's still a great car on the limit though with all the electronic aids turned off. But it's a car that excels at ten tenths, you can have fun in an F40 at anytime. It's a proper occasion car and a bona fide motoring icon. Buy an F40 while they are still the right side of 500k and then when you get yet another bonus, buy a CS again. Great combo but you really only need one....hopefully which one has now become a bit more obvious. J
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Schnellmann
Original Poster
1,216 posts
73 months
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R500POP said: I was kidding. But if you can afford it then what's stopping you. Good question! A few things I think. Partly because of the difficulty in persuading my wife. I'm sure I could do it as have always managed it in the past, but the effort involved (and potential cost in sweetners!) would be high. A bit like thinking of running a marathon: I'm sure I could do one but the thought of the training puts me off. But ultimately I think it is that I don't feel 100% secure in my job, like a lot of people in the current economic climate, and finding something equivalent would be very difficult. Logically my concerns probably don't make a lot of sense as I'm sure I would be able to offload the F40 and it isn't as if we would need the cash immediately. However, most likely just the thought of losing my job is making me insecure and therefore more conservative in my spending. Lastly, it is difficult to get my head around the idea of paying up to £400'000 for a car I've never driven. I do like to try before I buy but not really that easy with the F40.
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Schnellmann
Original Poster
1,216 posts
73 months
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pistolp said: I've got both. For me, they are both great cars. But the F40 is the F40, there's no competition. If I could only have one I'd have the F40 to be honest. I just spent a week in mine driving it down to Vence in South of France from London, went on Route Napoleon etc. It was a mind blowing trip and I bonded with the car a lot. I have already owned it two years, had another F40 before it etc. However, after a week in it and driving it pretty much flat out everywhere, I can tell you I've had few better times behind the wheel. And there is some serious competition. I know what you mean about the point and squirt thoughts, I don't agree though. I don't know how much experience you've got, but my advice would be to buy one and drive it lots. Get familiar with it and loss that sense of being intimidated. Honestly, it's a very communicative car and it really isn't the death trap people make out. I drive mine like its been stolen and I've only ever been surprised or caught out once. It was wet then, you do have to be more careful when it's not dry. Just be mindful of the boost then, particularly on uneven surfaces as that could catch you out. But in the dry its very progressive, you needn't worry if you learn the limits and show it some respect. That said you can still grab it by the scruff of the neck. In fact the faster you go the better, that way you keep it on boost (over 4k rpm approx) and you avoid the sudden spikes of power. It's only really going to be an issue in first and second anyway, when dry. Expect a bit of opposite lock and all will be well. They do tend to understeer a bit, all the weight is in the rear after all. You have to be a bit careful here exiting corners as if you've got a load of lock on and the boost comes in that understeer can turn to snap oversteer but to be honest the lag often saves you. By the time the turbo lag has passed you by, the fronts have usually gripped and you are off again. The understeer can also be dialled out with a bit of trail braking, the brakes are not great but don't be afraid to really lean on them and there is plenty of bite for a road car. You just need to learn how much stopping power you've got. It's not easy to lock them in the dry either given the lack of ABS. The steering is about a telegraphic as you could ask for. You feel exactly what the fronts are doing and this aids you in driving the car quick no end. There is so much info you know how much or how little grip you've got at all times. Other manufacturers can sample that steering and weep. I have only experienced equal steering feel twice, that was in a Caterham and a 73 RS. Not bad in other words. The running costs aren't all that. It's probably 1500 a year and possibly less if there is no major work. Not bad for a car of that pedigree. Obviously you've got tanks every 10 or so years, think that is about 10k. But if you've got 400k burning a hole, then this shouldn't deter you. The CS, well you've got one. A rare breed and a fantastic car. However, most people who prefer this to the F40 do so because it's easier to drive, it flatters them. That isn't a real reason to prefer the car. Trust me, if you can learn to drive your F40 like you can your CS there would be no comparison. It's such a rewarding car and that is because it's a challenge to drive it. Almost anyone can jump in a CS and rag that though. For me that spoils it slightly. The CS is so user friendly, it's still a great car on the limit though with all the electronic aids turned off. But it's a car that excels at ten tenths, you can have fun in an F40 at anytime. It's a proper occasion car and a bona fide motoring icon. Buy an F40 while they are still the right side of 500k and then when you get yet another bonus, buy a CS again. Great combo but you really only need one....hopefully which one has now become a bit more obvious. J Brilliant write up. Thanks for that. Very persuasive too.
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pistolp
779 posts
91 months
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Shame was in Lausanne in it about a month ago. You could have had a shot. Honestly though you don't need to try it, you wont be disappointed. I would marry Elle McPherpson without road testing her first!
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Fantuzzi
1,428 posts
15 months
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Schnellmann said: because of the difficulty in persuading my wife. Note to self -get F40 before a wife.
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subirg
245 posts
145 months
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If I had the chance to buy an f40 and didn't, I'm sure I'd regret it one day. It is an icon. Having said that, it is not IMHO a cast iron investment a current prices. The hype bubble has totally got hold of f40 prices in the last 2 years and like all bubbles, it will have to end somewhere. Probably south. But at this point all our crystal balls are out of certain answers. If you need to worry about the coin, it's not for you. If not, then do it. Keep it for the rest of your life and be a very proud very happy man!
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fatboy69
4,800 posts
56 months
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For me the F40 is the ultimate Supercar.
The daddy of them all. The best.
I have been lucky enough to drive an F40 & it is the best car that i have ever driven - & I brought back a 288 GTO from Marenello back in 1985!!!
If i was able to buy just one car it would be an F40. A non cat, non adjustable suspension car with sliding windows.
It is a magnificent car & I can seevno reason not to buy one if you have money to do so.
Awesome car which makes a great noise, looks superb & still turns heads after all these years.
Buy it if you can. I do not think that for one second you will regret it.
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