£3.5million for a Mac F1
Discussion
fatboy69 said:
According to last months Octane the Davidoff F1 GTR Longtail race car recently sold for approx $3.5 million so why is the Hartley car worth £3.5 million?
Is it really that special? A car with a history but an unspectacular history?
If I had the money I know which one I would buy - & it wouldn't be the Hartley car.
I would want a car with a known history & some proper history which the Davidoff car has got.
Not sure why he would want to release details of the sale - cannot imagine that the new owner will be too impressed having the sale price made public.
You cannot really do much with a 97GTR except track it. GTRs builts during the 95 and 96 season can at least be converted to be used legally on the road or in some cases just road worthy. It all depends on who carries out the conversion.Is it really that special? A car with a history but an unspectacular history?
If I had the money I know which one I would buy - & it wouldn't be the Hartley car.
I would want a car with a known history & some proper history which the Davidoff car has got.
Not sure why he would want to release details of the sale - cannot imagine that the new owner will be too impressed having the sale price made public.
The 3 main limiting factors that prevent a 97GTR from even being considered to be converted for road use are; the complexity of the electronics, engine mapping and sequential gearbox. It is a completely different animal to the earlier, much more simpler in comparison 95 an 96 GTRs.
The price of the McLaren F1 road car just keeps climbing year on year.
Sofoklis said:
What is the fascination with naming McLaren F1 owners past or present? I for one find it annoying that certain people, mentioning no names, constantly name drop. Is it really necessary? Do we really care? Do we?
Gosh - whomever could you be referring to? 
It's part of the story. The history of great motorcars almost always makes mention of a car's owners. The owner's names I share are already public knowledge so I'm not giving away any secrets here.
Anyway - I care...
>8^)
ER
hurstg01 said:
BelfastBoy said:
If I had the means, McLaren F1 would be the only car I'd ever spend millions on. There would be a garage / collection, small enough to ensure that the cars were used regularly, with some moved on as and when required. However, if there was an F1 in my garage, it would never be sold.
Funny now how the F1's lack of sales success in the 90s has made it such a valuable and coveted car now, isn't it? If McLaren had managed to make 300 road cars rather than 64, would they be changing hands today for £3.5million+ ?
Question for our resident experts because it was touched upon in one of Peleton's responses: #73 is a special F1 because it has the HDF kit and also a seriously uprated engine (691bhp - is that true?). I know McLaren still offer a bespoke customisation service for the F1, so - if I was ever able to get my hands on a 627bhp road car, and if I paid them enough money, could they fit the HDF kit and also uprate the engine to LM spec or beyond like #73? (I know some fans love the pure look of the standard road car, but I've always been a sucker for the GTR look with the big wing. So my dream F1 would be a road car made to look as close to a GTR as possible - so I could have a 3 seater interior rather than 2 seats, control panel / fire extinguisher, and no luggage compartments!)
Mclaren can still fit the HDF kit to an F1; as for the engine, they say that if you have the money......although it was stated at one point that only 2 non-LM road cars, #018 and #073, have the 'LM' uprated engine and (now this may now be out of date) no more would be built. Funny now how the F1's lack of sales success in the 90s has made it such a valuable and coveted car now, isn't it? If McLaren had managed to make 300 road cars rather than 64, would they be changing hands today for £3.5million+ ?
Question for our resident experts because it was touched upon in one of Peleton's responses: #73 is a special F1 because it has the HDF kit and also a seriously uprated engine (691bhp - is that true?). I know McLaren still offer a bespoke customisation service for the F1, so - if I was ever able to get my hands on a 627bhp road car, and if I paid them enough money, could they fit the HDF kit and also uprate the engine to LM spec or beyond like #73? (I know some fans love the pure look of the standard road car, but I've always been a sucker for the GTR look with the big wing. So my dream F1 would be a road car made to look as close to a GTR as possible - so I could have a 3 seater interior rather than 2 seats, control panel / fire extinguisher, and no luggage compartments!)
For me, #073 isn't high up on my wish list of F1's. I dont like the colour nor front wing vents and the interior is not for me. Yes, I could get them changed, but why if I can get another F1 in my correct spec - the trade off being the lack of 'LM' engine [unless I bought #018, the one close to the top of my list
]If anybody has any performance statistic comparisons between a standard F1 to that of an LM engined McLaren F1, please share?
Peloton25 said:
Sofoklis said:
What is the fascination with naming McLaren F1 owners past or present? I for one find it annoying that certain people, mentioning no names, constantly name drop. Is it really necessary? Do we really care? Do we?
Gosh - whomever could you be referring to? It's part of the story. The history of great motorcars almost always makes mention of a car's owners. The owner's names I share are already public knowledge so I'm not giving away any secrets here.
Anyway - I care...
>8^)
ER
Sofoklis said:
So I take it then that owners are happy for random people to just name them on the internet? If my name was ever to be mentioned, I may consider taking action. What ever happened to confidentiality?
I'm pretty sure Peloton wouldn't mention any owners name unless it was already fairly well known.Sofoklis said:
So I take it then that owners are happy for random people to just name them on the internet? If my name was ever to be mentioned, I may consider taking action. What ever happened to confidentiality?
On what basis would you take this "action"? And what outcome would you be seeking?Rollcage said:
Sofoklis said:
So I take it then that owners are happy for random people to just name them on the internet? If my name was ever to be mentioned, I may consider taking action. What ever happened to confidentiality?
On what basis would you take this "action"? And what outcome would you be seeking?
Sofoklis said:
Rollcage said:
Sofoklis said:
So I take it then that owners are happy for random people to just name them on the internet? If my name was ever to be mentioned, I may consider taking action. What ever happened to confidentiality?
On what basis would you take this "action"? And what outcome would you be seeking?SonnyM said:
Sofoklis said:
Rollcage said:
Sofoklis said:
So I take it then that owners are happy for random people to just name them on the internet? If my name was ever to be mentioned, I may consider taking action. What ever happened to confidentiality?
On what basis would you take this "action"? And what outcome would you be seeking?
h! You said it was just between us!Sofoklis said:
elitedetailer said:
Probably my favourite "modern" super car I have ever worked on. I could not help myself grinning so much, so much so that my cheeks ached. I miss this car!
Regards
G
What kind of work have you carried out on the car pictured above? Mechsnical or valeting service?Regards
G
Sofoklis said:
Correct me if I am wrong but the difference between a standard McLaren F1 engine to that of the LM is about 50bhp right? The LM weighs about 100kg less than than a standard car too. So is an extra 50 bhp going to make any difference what so ever to the drive-ability of the F1, if it has an LM engine fitted to it? It may set the owner back a good few $$$$$ but will he or she actually notice any improvement? It will be interesting to find out... I for one doubt it.
If anybody has any performance statistic comparisons between a standard F1 to that of an LM engined McLaren F1, please share?
From what I recall and I stand to be corrected, the 'LM' engine isn't really a completely different engine. I think that it has a raised rev limiter and some slight alterations to the intake system. If anybody has any performance statistic comparisons between a standard F1 to that of an LM engined McLaren F1, please share?
Performance wise not a huge difference to be honest, just a nice thing to have.
Chris
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