Ferrari 458 Italia oversupply?

[traxx]

Beefmeister said:

The only issue I have is that at 70mph the buffeting in the cabin is terrible. It really would make a drive down to the south of France in summer a roof-up on the motorway job which is a shame.

Edited by Beefmeister on Thursday 4th April 10:01

go a bit faster and the noise drops - best is over 130

I tried to use this excuse when the police pulled me over

[Beefmeister]

traxx said:

go a bit faster and the noise drops - best is over 130

I tried to use this excuse when the police pulled me over

Had it at around 150 at Bruntingthorpe with the roof down, agree it does get better the higher your speed!

[GRBF430F1]

UH-Matt said:

If you are of the opinion "why would you buy a coupe when you can have the spider" then this could mean bugger all coupe's are now being sold, hence numbers could easily dry up - surely most new orders in this way of thinking will be for spiders and thus bigger numbers and no limited supply?

Yes I do think 458 coupe numbers will dry up as more new convertibles are built but so will demand. With a new 458 convertible with decent spec being £225k+ I think Residuals will definitely strengthen on F430 spiders and potentially help the 458 coupe as well longer term, but its just the current glut of 458 NOW that worries me a little.

I've tracked several cars I like the spec of for MONTHS and they are still there at the same not unreasonable price but still unsold

[AndrewD]

sone said:

traxx said:

UH-Matt said:

traxx said:

I really liked my Scuderia, but imo the 458 is just a much better car all round

Its been mentioned here before by a few people - but having had 3 coupes and driven a few others I swear the early 2010 cars are faster than the later cars (certainly my first car was the faster than my other 2)

So an interesting question for you...

You don't have a fleet and you've got ~ £150k burning a hole in your pocket.

Would you go Scuderia or 458 if you could only have 1 or the other?

Personally for me the 16m is a strange car. The Scud is a lightweight racer much like the CS. Open top motoring in a stripped out racer really doesn't equate for me. Probably great, I haven't been in one but I think I'd save myself a few quid and have a 430 convertible.


I would save up a bit more and buy a 16M since it will hold its value better

The 16M is a completely different animal to a cooking F430 spider. Imagine being able to take the roof off a scud, preserving the driving thrill, and hearing that noise only louder. And for those of us with hair, feeling the wind in it

[PHOENIXUK]

GRBF430F1 said:

UH-Matt said:

If you are of the opinion "why would you buy a coupe when you can have the spider" then this could mean bugger all coupe's are now being sold, hence numbers could easily dry up - surely most new orders in this way of thinking will be for spiders and thus bigger numbers and no limited supply?

Yes I do think 458 coupe numbers will dry up as more new convertibles are built but so will demand. With a new 458 convertible with decent spec being £225k+ I think Residuals will definitely strengthen on F430 spiders and potentially help the 458 coupe as well longer term, but its just the current glut of 458 NOW that worries me a little.

I've tracked several cars I like the spec of for MONTHS and they are still there at the same not unreasonable price but still unsold

Never understood this 'tracking' cars, what is is that eventually gets you to buy rather than track? Not having a go or been clever just wondered what it is that actually triggers the next step, it cant just be price as I assume when you see a car of interest you probably have the funds ready and the longer you look the cheaper 'most' cars get...

[GRBF430F1]

PHOENIXUK said:

Never understood this 'tracking' cars, what is is that eventually gets you to buy rather than track? Not having a go or been clever just wondered what it is that actually triggers the next step, it cant just be price as I assume when you see a car of interest you probably have the funds ready and the longer you look the cheaper 'most' cars get...

As I don't have a burning desire to purchase a 458 Italia right now its really just out of interest and trying to understand what the marketplace is doing at this point. I choose a couple of cars that would appeal to me spec wise and in an affordable price band and then follow them for a while. Of course if I felt "the price was right" for me and the circumstances were right I might consider a purchase.

I do the same with the cars I currently own to get an idea of their current value and or possibly px price.

I looked at cars ofr a good 12 months before buying both the F355 GTS and F430 F1 spider as I am very particular about spec, miles and condition and the cars I prefer are not always readily available. It can be a matter of luck and timing buying any used car if you don't want to compromise too much.

My patience eventually paid off as I have 2 cars that I would of specced that way from the factory and they are in immaculate condition but I'm well known in the trade for being ultra fussy and anal over my cars

Even my company cars are treated like gods

[rosino]

There's a nice very low miles 1 private owner red car just posted in the classifieds. Still 158k which for me sounds too much for a private car but very nice spec with carbon seats, led wheel, nav, iPod, lift (not essential) and rear parking.

I love the car, and really would live to swap my 991 for it but still way too much money for me to make sense at the moment. At 100k-120k becomes more realistic.

But I want one now. And I much prefer the coupe guys am sorry, spyder really spoiled by lack of engine view IMHO.

[UH-Matt]

rosino said:

There's a nice very low miles 1 private owner red car just posted in the classifieds. Still 158k which for me sounds too much for a private car but very nice spec with carbon seats, led wheel, nav, iPod, lift (not essential) and rear parking.

I love the car, and really would live to swap my 991 for it but still way too much money for me to make sense at the moment. At 100k-120k becomes more realistic.

But I want one now. And I much prefer the coupe guys am sorry, spyder really spoiled by lack of engine view IMHO.

Already spoken to that seller as it is an OK spec. Unfortunately been offered better pricing on some dealer cars than that, so privately it needs to be cheaper.

[Adz man]

Little review about the 458 Coupe from a 430 Spider owner

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ckSnzoIYBjE

As much as I loved the 458 there was some annoying things about it and I'd never give up a soft top for a coupe

[bad company]

Adz man said:

I'd never give up a soft top for a coupe

Me neither.

[kbf1981]

GRBF430F1 said:

UH-Matt said:

If you are of the opinion "why would you buy a coupe when you can have the spider" then this could mean bugger all coupe's are now being sold, hence numbers could easily dry up - surely most new orders in this way of thinking will be for spiders and thus bigger numbers and no limited supply?

Yes I do think 458 coupe numbers will dry up as more new convertibles are built but so will demand. With a new 458 convertible with decent spec being £225k+ I think Residuals will definitely strengthen on F430 spiders and potentially help the 458 coupe as well longer term, but its just the current glut of 458 NOW that worries me a little.

I've tracked several cars I like the spec of for MONTHS and they are still there at the same not unreasonable price but still unsold

I think they already have. A nice low milage 430 Spider is around £88k from a dealer, at least sticker price. This is higher than last year I THINK...not certain but I think it is.

[DiabloInd9]

I am far away from buying a car in this price segment but i would be interested in knowing why would a person buy a Ferrari 458 Spider 2012 £254990 and leave the
Koenigsegg CCR 2005 ££249,990
or the Mosler MT900S 2010 £99,990

The point is most of these cars are anyways used on weekends for a short drive so why not go for a car which will not depreciate and is far more exotic which you may never run into with another of the same kind while driving in the UK?

Best.

[APOLO1]

Intresting Times, My 12C-SP 500 Miles, 30k Behind list and not a phone call,

[kbf1981]

DiabloInd9 said:

I am far away from buying a car in this price segment but i would be interested in knowing why would a person buy a Ferrari 458 Spider 2012 £254990 and leave the
Koenigsegg CCR 2005 ££249,990
or the Mosler MT900S 2010 £99,990

The point is most of these cars are anyways used on weekends for a short drive so why not go for a car which will not depreciate and is far more exotic which you may never run into with another of the same kind while driving in the UK?

Best.

Totally different kettle of fish - The K and M will probably give you trouble (at least that's my perception), and are defo cars you'd only drive occasionally. The 458 you can commute to work in if you'd like, and will probably get much more use out of of. Equally, there's a big enough market out there for Ferrari's that you know what you're getting in to and selling is easy enough, albeit at a decent loss.

I'd guess those are the reasons - I'd never get a K or an M like you've popped up unless I had a number of other cars (i.e. 3 other cars+, wouldn't get them as a 2nd car), and those were really my toys for maybe 1000 miles per year on special occasions. Guess that's a limited market.

[Beefmeister]

APOLO1 said:

Intresting Times, My 12C-SP 500 Miles, 30k Behind list and not a phone call,

Can you PM a link?

[Justices]

kbf1981 said:

Totally different kettle of fish - The K and M will probably give you trouble (at least that's my perception), and are defo cars you'd only drive occasionally. The 458 you can commute to work in if you'd like, and will probably get much more use out of of. Equally, there's a big enough market out there for Ferrari's that you know what you're getting in to and selling is easy enough, albeit at a decent loss.

I'd guess those are the reasons - I'd never get a K or an M like you've popped up unless I had a number of other cars (i.e. 3 other cars+, wouldn't get them as a 2nd car), and those were really my toys for maybe 1000 miles per year on special occasions. Guess that's a limited market.

I'd have thought the Mosler would be the easiest of the three to look after. LS engine and not too many fussy things to go wrong, no?

[sone]

Mosler, left hooker so no thanks on that but I'd love a RH drive Mosler(-:
Koen thingy, dubious about relaiability a bit more hypercar than super car. No basis for my opinion just what I've picked up from tinternet!.

[R11ysf]

APOLO1 said:

Intresting Times, My 12C-SP 500 Miles, 30k Behind list and not a phone call,

How much is it? Surprisingly there are 2 other Spiders in the classifieds for sale both with under 500 miles on each.

So are people really burning £600 per mile or were they buying them well under list to start with? Or are the problems still not solved and owners are getting frustrated.

Something doesn't add up to me

[roygarth]

PHOENIXUK said:

roygarth said:

PHOENIXUK said:

roygarth said:

sone said:

At this rate it could be a straight swap(-;.

Thats a given..just a question of when!?

Yeh but lifes to short and a 458 is so much better than a Scud. IMHO of course.

I suppose it depends on how much of a depreciation hit one is prepared/able to take...

No not really, life really is to short and the 458 really is a lot better than a Scud.IMHO

Life really isn't too short. I'd happily wait a year for the 458 to depreciate down say £30k so I could swap straight from the Scud into it. Afterall not exactly a hardship to drive the Scud for another year!

[APOLO1]

The List was 259k it is for Sale at McLaren Birmingham at £ 229,950. All the problems were sorted in the MP4 12C, a long time ago the car is perfect. I am selling due to relocation.

Edited by APOLO1 on Thursday 16th May 15:31