Where are all the 360 CS's?
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jackal said:
Just time of the month I reckon. There were lots around last year including a few that were eventually withdrawn because they didn't sell even at attractive prices.
A friend of mine sold his only in sept last year for £75,000. It was up for sale at Foskers for over a year and sold only after dropping it by 10k. It was as good an example as any that I have seen, better in fact condition wise than some I have seen at 90k+ with plenty of recent work under its belt. It was on pistonheads for many months.
With respect I know someone who had that car inspected (sold by Australian chap through Foskers) and it was NOT a good example. Inspection showed various leaks, broken oil tank, and more worryingly that the air bag had gone off in the past *suggesting* accident damage. IIRC brake wear wasn't great either (big bill around the corner) and spec wasn't very good (non factory stripe) and the car had awful aftermarket (non standard) harnesses. It was almost like a "story car" that needed some good money spending to make right and there was still then the concern over the info in the computer suggesting air bag deployment. Good if you want one cheap, but whats the point if you can spend £10k or £20k more for a pristine car.A friend of mine sold his only in sept last year for £75,000. It was up for sale at Foskers for over a year and sold only after dropping it by 10k. It was as good an example as any that I have seen, better in fact condition wise than some I have seen at 90k+ with plenty of recent work under its belt. It was on pistonheads for many months.
This illustrates that its EVEN harder to find a GOOD stradale, let alone find one at all. I know of a sub 10k miles factory stripe car that recently sold for £135k
richardmeaks said:
With respect I know someone who had that car inspected (sold by Australian chap through Foskers) and it was NOT a good example. Inspection showed various leaks, broken oil tank, and more worryingly that the air bag had gone off in the past *suggesting* accident damage. IIRC brake wear wasn't great either (big bill around the corner) and spec wasn't very good (non factory stripe) and the car had awful aftermarket (non standard) harnesses. It was almost like a "story car" that needed some good money spending to make right and there was still then the concern over the info in the computer suggesting air bag deployment. Good if you want one cheap, but whats the point if you can spend £10k or £20k more for a pristine car.
This illustrates that its EVEN harder to find a GOOD stradale, let alone find one at all. I know of a sub 10k miles factory stripe car that recently sold for £135k
+1 to this....some Internet warriors tend to think they are common commodity - but go try find a good one, 85k£ is probably not going to take you very far, unless it has many more miles than the ones currently advertised. This illustrates that its EVEN harder to find a GOOD stradale, let alone find one at all. I know of a sub 10k miles factory stripe car that recently sold for £135k
They are expensive to buy, own and run: they are no standard 360.
My opinion as an ex strad owner.
The CS is a very good car. I regret selling but only because it would appear, if talk on here is to be believed, that my car is worth more now than when I sold it. That annoys me, but whilst it was a very good car I do not miss the car itself.
For me the Scuderia is a better car. It should be as well because it's newer and costs more money. I can't believe anyone would pay £135K for a CS. There is absolutely no way I would buy another over a scud for the same money.
I don't buy the argument that the CS will go the way of the F40. It will always be a 360 albeit a very good one and a much different animal from a modena. However you could take a 360 Modena, throw £40K at it and get a car that sounds, drives and feels like a CS. And don't forget those are the things attracting CS buyers. The CS does not have the pedigree of the special series cars (like F40), it's desirable IMO simply because its a great car to drive. I can't see there ever being a time when Modena's are £40K and CS's £200K.
As for the Scud vs. 458 argument often mentioned on here, I don't really get that either. Totally different cars. I would prefer the Scud as would many on here, but others will no doubt prefer the 458. Both have different qualities. When Ferrari launch the 458 Scud equivalent I'm sure I'll probably change my mind then!!
The CS is a very good car. I regret selling but only because it would appear, if talk on here is to be believed, that my car is worth more now than when I sold it. That annoys me, but whilst it was a very good car I do not miss the car itself.
For me the Scuderia is a better car. It should be as well because it's newer and costs more money. I can't believe anyone would pay £135K for a CS. There is absolutely no way I would buy another over a scud for the same money.
I don't buy the argument that the CS will go the way of the F40. It will always be a 360 albeit a very good one and a much different animal from a modena. However you could take a 360 Modena, throw £40K at it and get a car that sounds, drives and feels like a CS. And don't forget those are the things attracting CS buyers. The CS does not have the pedigree of the special series cars (like F40), it's desirable IMO simply because its a great car to drive. I can't see there ever being a time when Modena's are £40K and CS's £200K.
As for the Scud vs. 458 argument often mentioned on here, I don't really get that either. Totally different cars. I would prefer the Scud as would many on here, but others will no doubt prefer the 458. Both have different qualities. When Ferrari launch the 458 Scud equivalent I'm sure I'll probably change my mind then!!
richardmeaks said:
With respect I know someone who had that car inspected (sold by Australian chap through Foskers) and it was NOT a good example. Inspection showed various leaks, broken oil tank, and more worryingly that the air bag had gone off in the past *suggesting* accident damage. IIRC brake wear wasn't great either (big bill around the corner) and spec wasn't very good (non factory stripe) and the car had awful aftermarket (non standard) harnesses. It was almost like a "story car" that needed some good money spending to make right and there was still then the concern over the info in the computer suggesting air bag deployment. Good if you want one cheap, but whats the point if you can spend £10k or £20k more for a pristine car.
This illustrates that its EVEN harder to find a GOOD stradale, let alone find one at all. I know of a sub 10k miles factory stripe car that recently sold for £135k
I know its tempting to want to try and demonise a car that is maybe 20k or 30k less than one you have perhaps either just bought, or are trying to sell yet which is essentially exactly the same experience, but allow me for a moment to correct some of your post.This illustrates that its EVEN harder to find a GOOD stradale, let alone find one at all. I know of a sub 10k miles factory stripe car that recently sold for £135k
First of all, the car was not accident damaged at all. If your friend had perhaps had a more professional inspection carried out (as Andrew did at the time he purchased it) then this would have clearly come to light. Andrew purchase the car from Foskers as well intially and everything needed doing to it was done as part of the purchase. This would have certainly included anything leaking. What's more, Maranello removed both the front and rear bumper and the car was proven to be 100% legitimate. The brake wear which you refer to was also around 30%. Andrew also went on to have around 5-6k totally trouble free miles in it. Let's just say that if its the same person I am thinking of then it's my feeling that there was more than a little politics involved in your acquaintance and his PPI, and the complicated triangle that was him, the dealer and the owner and his attempts to purchase the car.
As an additional contrast, consider that I saw various cars last year myself one of which was resident in a very shiny showroom with a sticker on it that read nigh on 100k. It had had a whole rear corner rebuilt in the previous 6 months. Another car I saw had a really poor finish especially on the paint lines around the tailgate, Andrew's car was far far better in this respect. I'd sooner have to buy a new set of seatbelts for a car than have to repaint the whole thing. To pick up on your last sentence as well, a car that's been used less than 1k miles a year would also be one I would strongly advise against. A blank cheque book as opposed to a known car that's been properly used and intended and proven its road worthyness and that all its components are still well withink their respective lifecycles. That 135k might well very soon turn into 150k. I bet the tyres alone are probabaly at least 5-8 years old for starters, so as good as useless.
My advice would be don't let smoke and mirrors, the mystique of the marque and the glossy veneer of any particular dealer fool you into thinking that there are so called 'pristine cars' and 'story cars' and that the pricetag will automatically dictate one from the other. There have been plenty of CS's sold over the past 3 years for sensible money more in line with the LHD market. It's only a car, after all.
Parked in garages with their owners to frightened to drive them and clutching at straws hoping they will be worth £200k when the 458 is £100k ???.
Overhyped, Overpriced and Overated IMHO and I would take a Scuderia over a CS every day of the week
They will always have a following and it undoubtedly was a great car in its time but the game has moved on at a rate of knots. 458 Scuderia is not far away and then the CS will feel and look positively ancient.
I certainly wouldn't look twice at buying one now at some of the silly prices owners are "alledgedly" throwing around.
458's are going to drop even further next year and there aren't going to be many people who given a straight choice between a CS and a 458 will choose the older, slower car
Maybe I should start talking up my F355 GTS manual as no amount of money will see me part company with that
Overhyped, Overpriced and Overated IMHO and I would take a Scuderia over a CS every day of the week
They will always have a following and it undoubtedly was a great car in its time but the game has moved on at a rate of knots. 458 Scuderia is not far away and then the CS will feel and look positively ancient.
I certainly wouldn't look twice at buying one now at some of the silly prices owners are "alledgedly" throwing around.
458's are going to drop even further next year and there aren't going to be many people who given a straight choice between a CS and a 458 will choose the older, slower car
Maybe I should start talking up my F355 GTS manual as no amount of money will see me part company with that
I have to say I was also rather disappointed both times I drove one. At full chat the noise was amazing, but ignore that, forget the beauty of what you are driving for a second and at more sane speeds the steering was actually a real let down and the box pretty dismal too. A GT3 is way more involving, much more dimensional, rewarding and ultimately just a much better drivers car IMO ... the real deal.
jackal said:
I have to say I was also rather disappointed both times I drove one. At full chat the noise was amazing, but ignore that, forget the beauty of what you are driving for a second and at more sane speeds the steering was actually a real let down and the box pretty dismal too. A GT3 is way more involving, much more dimensional, rewarding and ultimately just a much better drivers car IMO ... the real deal.
Thats an interesting comparison. Didn't get too excited with the 911 Turbo I owned even though the build quality and sheer speed, handling etc were amazing but the Porsche product seems to have improved dramatically recently hence despite being a "Ferrari man" I've put a deposit down on a 991 GT3.Definitely not parting company with the F355 GTS but not sure whether I can justify keeping the F430 spider as well once the 991 GT3 arrives next year.
You can't compare a Turbo though to even a vanilla Carrera 2, let alone a GT3. Just totally different cars. It's like comparing a scaglietti with a scuderia !
I drove a friends 500+bhp turbo the other day on KW suspension and some other choice mods but it was still a million miles from a GT3.
Good luck with the 991. Shaping up to be a great car.
I drove a friends 500+bhp turbo the other day on KW suspension and some other choice mods but it was still a million miles from a GT3.
Good luck with the 991. Shaping up to be a great car.
Edited by jackal on Friday 21st June 22:53
jackal said:
There have been plenty of CS's sold over the past 3 years for sensible money more in line with the LHD market.
LHD market isn't that cheap unfortunately for good cars either! Straight and relatively low km cars are expensive there too and often change hands OTC rather than advertised/brokered on public forums/websites.I know quite a few active potential buyers in France and Germany at the moment who can't find good cars...and yes they do change hands at over 100kEuros.
Im sure the factory stripe was £3800 plus vat and that's why I didn't tick the box at the time. I agree that the scud is better all round. However, the market demand and the lack of supply dictates the price which nobody can argue. No stradale owner will be unhappy with the current rising market and that leaves past owners and buyers unhappy i guess. 458 values demonstrate this at the moment i guess and i didn't see that coming.
I do wonder if manual and f1 were options how that would dictate value now as a manual gate would have been another experience.
stradales have cheap road tax and for a grippy Scotsman that's a real boost!
I do wonder if manual and f1 were options how that would dictate value now as a manual gate would have been another experience.
stradales have cheap road tax and for a grippy Scotsman that's a real boost!
jackal said:
I have to say I was also rather disappointed both times I drove one. At full chat the noise was amazing, but ignore that, forget the beauty of what you are driving for a second and at more sane speeds the steering was actually a real let down and the box pretty dismal too. A GT3 is way more involving, much more dimensional, rewarding and ultimately just a much better drivers car IMO ... the real deal.
The stradale is one of the most balanced and beautifully handling cars I've driven. I've driven various Porsche's and while the GT3 is an amazing car, it just gets boring quickly and the interior is dreary. As Jeremy Clarkson said, a Porsche is a jumped up Beetle but a Ferrari is a scaled down version of god. There is no false mystique to the brand. Get both the GT3 and stradale on the track and the stradale is much more fun. Don't believe me? Watch the Top Gear video. Where is Porcshe's competitor to the current 458 or even the LaFerrari at the top of the market? Both alternatives are nowhere close. If you're given the option of GT3RS or a stradale or a scuderia (ignoring price), I bet 80%+ people choose the Ferrari. Porsche is great but Ferrari is at the top of the market. End of story. As someone else said its the market that dictates the price and while some people moan about "shouldn't be this price" or "used to sell for this price" or "several examples sold for more sensible money 12 months ago" these sound like comments from someone who missed the boat and there are plenty of serious buyers and collectors who are happy to pay another £20k or £30k for a collector car to get an excellent example and are NOT simply shopping on price and getting the lowest price deal. Plenty of other cars have risen in price too over the last 12-24 months due to rising demand and falling supply. Its simple economics. It doesnt stop someone coming on the market to sell their car more cheaply if they wish but all sales that have occured over the last 12 months that I'm aware of all point to a rising trend, throttled supply of good cars and a long list of people with dealers waiting for a good car to come to market.vxdave said:
I don't buy the argument that the CS will go the way of the F40. It will always be a 360 albeit a very good one and a much different animal from a modena. However you could take a 360 Modena, throw £40K at it and get a car that sounds, drives and feels like a CS. And don't forget those are the things attracting CS buyers. The CS does not have the pedigree of the special series cars (like F40), it's desirable IMO simply because its a great car to drive. I can't see there ever being a time when Modena's are £40K and CS's £200K.
While the stradale and scuderia are not limited edition cars like the 288GTO, F40, F50 and Enzo, don't forget though that there is no historical comparison with which to compare the stradale and scuderia to. Prior to those models, there wasn't a specific limited edition run made of a current model car that was designed to be a more focused machine. There wasn't after all a 308CS or DinoCS, so who really knows where the stradale or scud will go in future. After all, while the 288GTO has a different engine to the 308 so isn't a worthy comparison, you could make the same argument for the 308 - throw £40k at it for bodykits and engine mods and have something close to a 288GTO, but it still wouldn't BE a 288GTO. Fact is though, the market drives price along with supply and demand and given the low production numbers, supply is always going to be relatively low on stradale and scuderia and demand will always be high while there are still 90%+ of owners (look to FerrariChat for validation) that absolutely love and adore them. GRBF430F1 said:
They will always have a following and it undoubtedly was a great car in its time but the game has moved on at a rate of knots. 458 Scuderia is not far away and then the CS will feel and look positively ancient.
People seem to forget though that ALL older Ferrari's are not as accomplished as the LATEST thing and never will be. A Dino or a Daytona are nowhere near the abilities of the latest thing (458) but having the latest thing isn't what drives all buyers and certainly not what drives collectors. If you must have 1 car and have to have the latest thing, then only the latest thing will do, but if you can appreciate something for what it is and for the emotional connection to the road it gives you, the stradale is a special car indeed. Don't take my word for it, look on FerrariChat at the comments of owners who have 5+ Ferrari's and regularly favour the stradale as their favourite. If it were simply the latest thing that drove the market and drove the hearts of buyers and collectors, all the older cars would be junk now, and they're obviously not.Edited by richardmeaks on Saturday 22 June 09:53
Top Gear wouldn't personally be my first point of reference ! And I hate quoting journos but now you mention it i'd agree with evo. They had it 3rd behind the GT3 and Exige. I don't think you can start getting into circuits either. Stradales and Scuderias are not track cars, simple as that, not even close ... evidenced by the fact that for every one you see at a trackday you'd see 50 or so GT3's and also evidenced by the proposition that for every single lap a strad could complete successfully with breaking/overheating/cooking itself, a GT3 would complete 100 laps.
For emotion theatre, the Strad beats almost anything out there, agreed. But driving fundamentals when you ignore the looks and the noise .... feel, feedback, input-output, involvement ... sorry, I really just don't think its anywhere close to what it's cracked up to be and certainly nowhere near as rewarding and challenging as a GT3. As for balance, hard in a corner, I found the rear fairly nervous on both cars and there are a whole host of mid engined cars I can think of that i've thought were better balanced from a Noble M12, NSX to a regular Esprit. A vanilla manual F430 is a fair bit better in fact IMO .. better steering feel, better chassis, far better engine and just way more modern and better finshed.
Not knocking the car overall. They are still beautiful and highly desirable and a lot of fun. But not the driving epiphany that many think they are IMO.
For emotion theatre, the Strad beats almost anything out there, agreed. But driving fundamentals when you ignore the looks and the noise .... feel, feedback, input-output, involvement ... sorry, I really just don't think its anywhere close to what it's cracked up to be and certainly nowhere near as rewarding and challenging as a GT3. As for balance, hard in a corner, I found the rear fairly nervous on both cars and there are a whole host of mid engined cars I can think of that i've thought were better balanced from a Noble M12, NSX to a regular Esprit. A vanilla manual F430 is a fair bit better in fact IMO .. better steering feel, better chassis, far better engine and just way more modern and better finshed.
Not knocking the car overall. They are still beautiful and highly desirable and a lot of fun. But not the driving epiphany that many think they are IMO.
Edited by jackal on Saturday 22 June 10:43
Look at the price (asking) of similar car of the same age and the same character of the Strad.
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
I know I've had 3-4 people directly asking me for Strads in the last 6 months and have only seen one or two RHD ones for sale for sale in the last 6 months - where demand outstrips supply then prices are only going one way.
The same is happening to 355's and Scud's - whenever the exotic car market starts getting an injection of cash then this pulls prices higher. It appears there's lot of money being ploughed into this market - look at F40's etc - less than £100k 6/7 yrs ago.
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
I know I've had 3-4 people directly asking me for Strads in the last 6 months and have only seen one or two RHD ones for sale for sale in the last 6 months - where demand outstrips supply then prices are only going one way.
The same is happening to 355's and Scud's - whenever the exotic car market starts getting an injection of cash then this pulls prices higher. It appears there's lot of money being ploughed into this market - look at F40's etc - less than £100k 6/7 yrs ago.
jackal said:
Not knocking the car overall. They are still beautiful and highly desirable and a lot of fun. But not the driving epiphany that many think they are IMO.
Well, we'll have to agree to disagree as thats the first review I've *ever* seen that pitches the GT3 anywhere beyond the 360CS. If you consider everything on balance, drivers generally go from Porsche to Ferrari, not the other way around, unless they want cheaper bills or something thats easier as a daily driver as well. But frankly, most won't take our word for it anyway, read everything on balance online (FerrariChat) and the many other resources available and most will consider that the 360CS is a fantastic car. If it wasn't, so many of the collectors with several cars over on Ferrari Chat wouldn't favour them over other exotic metal (including, in some cases, F40s). That's a comment you can't make about a GT3. For example... - 1: “I have a CS and Enzo. I can drive the CS faster on very tight roads because of the shorter wheelbase, and its sound is more stimulating than the Enzo. I call the CS a "baby Enzo" because it was made at the same time, shares many parts, and does nearly everything the same except acceleration and it's a weaker people magnet. BTW, the people I know who collect Ferraris (i.e., 10 or more cars) MUST have a CS in their collection and the ones I've spoken to say it's one of their favorite Ferraris. It's a great car for the street. The Enzo is a little too powerful for the street as you can't really get into the power for more than a few seconds.” (posted by Bill S)
- 2: “I do have some nice Ferraris and other nice cars.” (including F40, Enzo, CS, Maranello, 365GT4/BB, 512BBm). The CS is as far as I am concerned one of the most fun cars to drive. The European version has a sound that is beyond anything that you can imagine. The American version also has a great sound. Let me put it this way: the CS is more fun to drive than the Enzo and the F40, period, Go for the CS”.. I have driven both cars quite a few times, both on the street and on the race track.” (posted by Emena)
- 3: “I have a CS, GT3 RS, Ruf Turbo R and CGT. I find myself faster in the CS on tight courses because of the paddle shifters, better visibility, and smaller lighter-feeling car. It's really hard work to drive a GT3 RS and CGT as fast, but you can if you want to sweat it. If I want to really show off on the turns, I'll usually choose the CS. It is a Challenge Car for the Street! “
- 4: “I have quite alot of track time in 360 modena, F430, 599 and the CS. The CS wins hands down, it is as fast or faster than a 430 on most tracks and alot, I repeat that, ALOT more fun to drive. It feels much more like a race car and the experience is so much more intense and raw, and the sound...( posted by Jompen)
Bottom line is we are all different and all want different things. Maybe a great noise, good acceleration and a sense of occasion is enough for you to create your 'driving epiphany'. Lucky you for being so easy to please. For me that's just the window dressing which is all fine and dandy but it must be underpinned by various core strengths.
One of those core necessities is Steering feel and in the CS the steering feel is average to poor. This is a FACT, it's irrefutable. It isn't conjecture or subjective and it's not a non-specific, intangible fanboy soundbyte from an american discussion forum. I am talking about FACTS which I have gone out and discovered for myself rather than nebulous emotional sentiments and musings garnered from the internet. These are the very same facts that Messrs Meaden and Barker discovered and agreed with in that review above and prevented the car from matching either the Exige or GT3 from a pure dynamics point of view.
My comment about the rear end is also an observable FACT and again I would say that the F430 chassis is far far superior in this respect. Bring your CS to a car park and then bring pretty much any Porsche sports car ever made or any Lotus ever made and the CS will have the numbest helm of every single car there. FACT. This is one of the things that in my book prevents it from being the incredible drivers car so many people puport it to be. Just my opinion of course and some people wouldn't give a rats about steering feel. In the same way, many CS owners rarely even get the thing out the garage let alone give a hoots about how communicative and benign either the front or rear axles are.
One of those core necessities is Steering feel and in the CS the steering feel is average to poor. This is a FACT, it's irrefutable. It isn't conjecture or subjective and it's not a non-specific, intangible fanboy soundbyte from an american discussion forum. I am talking about FACTS which I have gone out and discovered for myself rather than nebulous emotional sentiments and musings garnered from the internet. These are the very same facts that Messrs Meaden and Barker discovered and agreed with in that review above and prevented the car from matching either the Exige or GT3 from a pure dynamics point of view.
My comment about the rear end is also an observable FACT and again I would say that the F430 chassis is far far superior in this respect. Bring your CS to a car park and then bring pretty much any Porsche sports car ever made or any Lotus ever made and the CS will have the numbest helm of every single car there. FACT. This is one of the things that in my book prevents it from being the incredible drivers car so many people puport it to be. Just my opinion of course and some people wouldn't give a rats about steering feel. In the same way, many CS owners rarely even get the thing out the garage let alone give a hoots about how communicative and benign either the front or rear axles are.
Edited by jackal on Saturday 22 June 16:50
Gleaning knowledge about a car by reading magazines and listening to Clarkson is a secondhand approach. Perhaps you should buy and own both before spouting off so categorically.
The CS is a special car to own. It looks lovely. You feel great behind the wheel. The sound is amazing and there is a certain buzz being in a Ferrari. However, purely as a driving tool I found the GT3 better. The feedback in the 996 GT3, particularly the steering, is sublime. It sounds brilliant too, although in a completely different way to the CS. Performance wise (if you compare the gen 2 996 GT3) there is hardly anything in it. Overall it comes down to personal choices and how you plan to use it. For weekend drives and the pleasure of ownership I'd take the CS (all else being equal, which they are not as the CS was almost twice as expensive new and is more than twice as expensive now). If I were planning to do track days I'd take the GT3 every time.
The CS is a special car to own. It looks lovely. You feel great behind the wheel. The sound is amazing and there is a certain buzz being in a Ferrari. However, purely as a driving tool I found the GT3 better. The feedback in the 996 GT3, particularly the steering, is sublime. It sounds brilliant too, although in a completely different way to the CS. Performance wise (if you compare the gen 2 996 GT3) there is hardly anything in it. Overall it comes down to personal choices and how you plan to use it. For weekend drives and the pleasure of ownership I'd take the CS (all else being equal, which they are not as the CS was almost twice as expensive new and is more than twice as expensive now). If I were planning to do track days I'd take the GT3 every time.
Schnellmann said:
Gleaning knowledge about a car by reading magazines and listening to Clarkson is a secondhand approach. Perhaps you should buy and own both before spouting off so categorically.
The CS is a special car to own. It looks lovely. You feel great behind the wheel. The sound is amazing and there is a certain buzz being in a Ferrari. However, purely as a driving tool I found the GT3 better. The feedback in the 996 GT3, particularly the steering, is sublime. It sounds brilliant too, although in a completely different way to the CS. Performance wise (if you compare the gen 2 996 GT3) there is hardly anything in it. Overall it comes down to personal choices and how you plan to use it. For weekend drives and the pleasure of ownership I'd take the CS (all else being equal, which they are not as the CS was almost twice as expensive new and is more than twice as expensive now). If I were planning to do track days I'd take the GT3 every time.
Well put. The GT3 has its appeal certainly. The other comments about steering feel are simply nonsense though, as both feel and handling is miles ahead of the 360 and indeed the F430 as I've driven both. When it comes down to 360CS or GT3 they're just different and it comes down to what you prefer. If you're considering both, the best bet is to drive both and make your choice. The sense of occasion with the 360CS is just the icing on the cake though. If you want driver ability and want to feel like a kid in a race car, I know what I'd put my money on.The CS is a special car to own. It looks lovely. You feel great behind the wheel. The sound is amazing and there is a certain buzz being in a Ferrari. However, purely as a driving tool I found the GT3 better. The feedback in the 996 GT3, particularly the steering, is sublime. It sounds brilliant too, although in a completely different way to the CS. Performance wise (if you compare the gen 2 996 GT3) there is hardly anything in it. Overall it comes down to personal choices and how you plan to use it. For weekend drives and the pleasure of ownership I'd take the CS (all else being equal, which they are not as the CS was almost twice as expensive new and is more than twice as expensive now). If I were planning to do track days I'd take the GT3 every time.
Edited by richardmeaks on Saturday 22 June 17:00
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