Investment: 360 Challenge Stradale V 430 Scuderia V 993RS

Investment: 360 Challenge Stradale V 430 Scuderia V 993RS

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harveyn

55 posts

220 months

Saturday 31st August 2013
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Hi, I am lucky enough to have a Challenge Stradale and a manual 993 C2S.

The Challenge Stradale is quite simply the most fantastic car, in which you can't help but grin. I have actually grown to really like the gearbox and I am glad that it isn't a manual. You need to be focussed when driving, but timing the gear changes just right really adds to the experience. The car is normally driven in race mode and having the ability to blip up and down so quickly is great fun, helped by the amazing exhaust sound. By contrast I hardly ever use the paddles on our family Mercedes as the changes are so slow. The only thing I don't like on the CS is trying to select a gear when rolling forward very slowly in Neutral. At current prices, I feel the car offers a great investment potential.

Whilst the manual gearbox in the 993 is quite good (I would never have considered a tiptronic, having driven several) the car is simply in a different league in so many ways. I preferred the 915 gearbox of the early 3.2 Carreras. I have had six 911's now, and whilst I have enjoyed them all (well maybe not the 996, sold after a few months), the Porsche is no where nearly as enjoyable.

At current levels I see the CS as having considerably more upside than 993 RS's.

Edited by harveyn on Saturday 31st August 16:39

911Thrasher

2,573 posts

198 months

Saturday 31st August 2013
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hazy said:
F1 and the majority of GT race cars run paddles, but you wouldnt know that only having driven a long sequence of fairly underwhelming cars. Go drive some proper stuff AT SPEED sonny then come back and talk.
Ahahah +1 to this...someone here is always happy to take the CS down.
On a personal note I too rate the CS box very very highly, and would by another one in a blink if I had the garage space. Just awesome car.

Gone for a 964RS at the moment as it was a kids dream come true. But will def buy another CS down the line.

pistolp

1,719 posts

221 months

Saturday 31st August 2013
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Wow the 964 RS, I love those. So cool. If you don't mind please can you PM the details as I am going to look for one. Would be useful to know values etc. Cheers

hazy

1,173 posts

267 months

Saturday 31st August 2013
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AndrewD said:
Can we all have a go please? driving

(I've raced a Radical, a Juno, and a Clio Cup too as it happens)
Absolutely not. Rumour has it you couldnt drive a greasy stick up a pigs arse biggrinbiggrinbiggrin

AndrewD

7,527 posts

283 months

Saturday 31st August 2013
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hazy said:
AndrewD said:
Can we all have a go please? driving

(I've raced a Radical, a Juno, and a Clio Cup too as it happens)
Absolutely not. Rumour has it you couldnt drive a greasy stick up a pigs arse biggrinbiggrinbiggrin
You shouldn't listen to Gobshte's pillow talk tongue out

rubystone

11,252 posts

258 months

Saturday 31st August 2013
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hazy said:
cheers, I appreciate that, I dont normally jump on my high horse but given enough baiting even I will get rude eventually when dealing with numb-nuts who clearly havent got a clue what they are talking about wink

Tis the Pistonheads way I guess, internet keyboard warrior plebs baiting real world people?
Rich is actually a good guy. He's had some decent cars and knows how to pedal a fast car. As you say, we've all been guilty of dashing off a reply in haste and usually end up regretting it. We all have one thing in common - an often indefensible love of expensive, thirsty, often less than 100% reliable machines...smile

rubystone

11,252 posts

258 months

Saturday 31st August 2013
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pistolp said:
Wow the 964 RS, I love those. So cool. If you don't mind please can you PM the details as I am going to look for one. Would be useful to know values etc. Cheers
£70k ish...lots of things to be wary of too...not sure if Paul McLean still runs GT Classics, but if he does, he's the man...

jimmyslr

798 posts

272 months

Saturday 31st August 2013
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rubystone said:
pistolp said:
Wow the 964 RS, I love those. So cool. If you don't mind please can you PM the details as I am going to look for one. Would be useful to know values etc. Cheers
£70k ish...lots of things to be wary of too...not sure if Paul McLean still runs GT Classics, but if he does, he's the man...
Paul does still run GT Classics. He sold my 993 rs last year. I also bought a 964rs from him years ago and sold it back to him a few years later. Check out Tom Schmitz at German Sports Cars also. He's well known RS dealer and has several 964rs on his books. I've bought sight unseen from Tom and he's very straight.

They're not all that complex the 964rs. Hardly any electrics, bullet proof engine, well established box... Mine had the most brilliant steering of any car I've had, probably better than my caterham, but close. Marvellous memories of driving it at Spa in 2004/5 when people still used RSs on track days.

Is this the time to mention that back then the RS drivers were the hard core track dayers? I remember when the first Challenge Stradales rolled up how we whizzed past them smile. Admittedly the buyers of brand new CSs probably weren't cutting loose, but it made us laugh. No flaming please!

rubystone

11,252 posts

258 months

Saturday 31st August 2013
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My RS became too valuable to track...which is why I sold it and bought a Caterham...but what a pure, analogue car with (lhd) no PAS. Close in lightness of feel to my E Series 2.4E and with a cup bypass, a noise to rival the splendid sound of a CS at full chat..more guttural though versus the CS' scream. I bet my RS is still on Paul's site in the 'sold' section..it was a beaut.

Eta wasn't Tom known as something different..H & H...?.. I. Am pretty sure he and Paul did business together

jackal

11,248 posts

281 months

Saturday 31st August 2013
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jimmyslr said:
Is this the time to mention that back then the RS drivers were the hard core track dayers? I remember when the first Challenge Stradales rolled up how we whizzed past them smile. Admittedly the buyers of brand new CSs probably weren't cutting loose, but it made us laugh. No flaming please!
Remember that too. No doubt you are talking about Tony R. Kudos to him for being a early adopter and tracking a CS pretty much immediately. I think I was there the day he span it at Redgate and then a few weeks after that the engine let go (ooopps ... probably shouldn't have let that one out the bag ! wink )

rubystone

11,252 posts

258 months

Saturday 31st August 2013
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jackal said:
Remember that too. No doubt you are talking about Tony R. Kudos to him for being a early adopter and tracking a CS pretty much immediately. I think I was there the day he span it at Redgate and then a few weeks after that the engine let go (ooopps ... probably shouldn't have let that one out the bag ! wink )
I had fun on track at Brands in my R500 with a CS...V8 JOE...some years ago and indeed, kudos to him for thraping it around the track, given its value!

hazy

1,173 posts

267 months

Sunday 1st September 2013
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rubystone said:
I had fun on track at Brands in my R500 with a CS...V8 JOE...some years ago and indeed, kudos to him for thraping it around the track, given its value!
Funnily enough Joe now has a Caterham!! Full circle. Im with you on the tracking an expensive car....I retired my CS from trackdays some years ag and started racing instead.

Tracking the CS wouldve been the cheaper option.....

pistolp

1,719 posts

221 months

Sunday 1st September 2013
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What do you race?

erics

2,659 posts

210 months

Sunday 1st September 2013
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I have a 993 c2s like you and it was boring till i fitted cat replacement pipe and also bypass tubing to rear boxes. It is way more fun now. Try it, cost close to nothing and will entirely change your view of the car.


harveyn said:
Hi, I am lucky enough to have a Challenge Stradale and a manual 993 C2S.

The Challenge Stradale is quite simply the most fantastic car, in which you can't help but grin. I have actually grown to really like the gearbox and I am glad that it isn't a manual. You need to be focussed when driving, but timing the gear changes just right really adds to the experience. The car is normally driven in race mode and having the ability to blip up and down so quickly is great fun, helped by the amazing exhaust sound. By contrast I hardly ever use the paddles on our family Mercedes as the changes are so slow. The only thing I don't like on the CS is trying to select a gear when rolling forward very slowly in Neutral. At current prices, I feel the car offers a great investment potential.

Whilst the manual gearbox in the 993 is quite good (I would never have considered a tiptronic, having driven several) the car is simply in a different league in so many ways. I preferred the 915 gearbox of the early 3.2 Carreras. I have had six 911's now, and whilst I have enjoyed them all (well maybe not the 996, sold after a few months), the Porsche is no where nearly as enjoyable.

At current levels I see the CS as having considerably more upside than 993 RS's.

Edited by harveyn on Saturday 31st August 16:39

hazy

1,173 posts

267 months

Sunday 1st September 2013
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pistolp said:
What do you race?
M3 GTR money pit in Britcar biggrinbiggrinbiggrin

pic on this page

http://www.britcar24hr.co.uk/home/?p=4286

pistolp

1,719 posts

221 months

Sunday 1st September 2013
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Looks cool. Racing is bloody great. What do you make of this new rule for 2014 regarding track limits?

bromers2

1,867 posts

249 months

Sunday 1st September 2013
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N
hazy said:
M3 GTR money pit in Britcar biggrinbiggrinbiggrin

pic on this page

http://www.britcar24hr.co.uk/home/?p=4286
V nice.

AndrewD

7,527 posts

283 months

Sunday 1st September 2013
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hazy said:
M3 GTR money pit in Britcar biggrinbiggrinbiggrin

pic on this page

http://www.britcar24hr.co.uk/home/?p=4286
Slower than a pink Mini smile

harveyn

55 posts

220 months

Sunday 1st September 2013
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Hi Erics, I might well try that. My car has an RSR exhaust which helps, but is nothing special, when compared to the CS. Cheers, Harvey

erics said:
I have a 993 c2s like you and it was boring till i fitted cat replacement pipe and also bypass tubing to rear boxes. It is way more fun now. Try it, cost close to nothing and will entirely change your view of the car.


harveyn said:
Hi, I am lucky enough to have a Challenge Stradale and a manual 993 C2S.

The Challenge Stradale is quite simply the most fantastic car, in which you can't help but grin. I have actually grown to really like the gearbox and I am glad that it isn't a manual. You need to be focussed when driving, but timing the gear changes just right really adds to the experience. The car is normally driven in race mode and having the ability to blip up and down so quickly is great fun, helped by the amazing exhaust sound. By contrast I hardly ever use the paddles on our family Mercedes as the changes are so slow. The only thing I don't like on the CS is trying to select a gear when rolling forward very slowly in Neutral. At current prices, I feel the car offers a great investment potential.

Whilst the manual gearbox in the 993 is quite good (I would never have considered a tiptronic, having driven several) the car is simply in a different league in so many ways. I preferred the 915 gearbox of the early 3.2 Carreras. I have had six 911's now, and whilst I have enjoyed them all (well maybe not the 996, sold after a few months), the Porsche is no where nearly as enjoyable.

At current levels I see the CS as having considerably more upside than 993 RS's.

Edited by harveyn on Saturday 31st August 16:39

harveyn

55 posts

220 months

Sunday 1st September 2013
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Hi Erics, I might well try that. My car has an RSR exhaust which helps, but is nothing special, when compared to the CS. Cheers, Harvey

erics said:
I have a 993 c2s like you and it was boring till i fitted cat replacement pipe and also bypass tubing to rear boxes. It is way more fun now. Try it, cost close to nothing and will entirely change your view of the car.


harveyn said:
Hi, I am lucky enough to have a Challenge Stradale and a manual 993 C2S.

The Challenge Stradale is quite simply the most fantastic car, in which you can't help but grin. I have actually grown to really like the gearbox and I am glad that it isn't a manual. You need to be focussed when driving, but timing the gear changes just right really adds to the experience. The car is normally driven in race mode and having the ability to blip up and down so quickly is great fun, helped by the amazing exhaust sound. By contrast I hardly ever use the paddles on our family Mercedes as the changes are so slow. The only thing I don't like on the CS is trying to select a gear when rolling forward very slowly in Neutral. At current prices, I feel the car offers a great investment potential.

Whilst the manual gearbox in the 993 is quite good (I would never have considered a tiptronic, having driven several) the car is simply in a different league in so many ways. I preferred the 915 gearbox of the early 3.2 Carreras. I have had six 911's now, and whilst I have enjoyed them all (well maybe not the 996, sold after a few months), the Porsche is no where nearly as enjoyable.

At current levels I see the CS as having considerably more upside than 993 RS's.

Edited by harveyn on Saturday 31st August 16:39