F430 Market Watch

[supercampeao]

TISPKJ said:

It will be interesting to see if 360 prices ever overtake 430 like 355 has done with 360 recently.
It appears the £69995 430's sell but the others seem to be around a while longer, as you say the gap is slowly narrowing.
I still can't believe 355's are 50k 3 years ago they were 30-35 for a nice one, but I guess we could say that about a lot of F cars lately.

Where do you see the 599 going ?
South a touch but never below 60 ?

I don't see 360s overtaking 430s as voicey says because they are just too similar. The 355 is a very different car to the 360 and offers something of the older gen F car. Slightly biased as I have 430 spider f1...

Edited by supercampeao on Friday 3rd October 14:24

[Kyodo]

I wouldn't of thought there'd be a 360 price overtake either. I do think the prices may firm up with a gap of say, 10-15k or so. Looking at previous models I think this is probable, maintaining a price difference of 20% or so. For many people (us included) that gap will determine which car they could or should buy.

[jw01]

[quote=TISPKJ]It will be interesting to see if 360 prices ever overtake 430 like 355 has done with 360 recently.
It appears the £69995 430's sell but the others seem to be around a while longer, as you say the gap is slowly narrowing.
I still can't believe 355's are 50k 3 years ago they were 30-35 for a nice one, but I guess we could say that about a lot of F cars lately.

certainly were not any decent 355s around at 35-40K when I looked for mine 3 years ago

[mike01606]

jw01 said:

certainly were not any decent 355s around at 35-40K when I looked for mine 3 years ago

I'd agree with that. The nice ones were at least on a par with 360's when I was looking in early 2012. 308/328's now that's another matter altogether.

I can't see the 360 overtaking the 430 and Mark makes a good point, with a 15 - 20k price difference between the 360/430 that is enough to separate the market. It certainly did with me.....

IMO the 360 is a prettier car and has the last of that series' 5 valve engine but that alone does not make it special enough.

I've said it many times.... buy the car, enjoy the car and look after it. Then compared to just about everything else, it will not cost you a lot and give a lot of pleasure for the money. Bargain!

[Kyodo]

jw01]ISPKJ said:

certainly were not any decent 355s around at 35-40K when I looked for mine 3 years ago

Agreed here too. We were looking to buy a 355 until we realised 360's were very similar money. If we thought we could've had one for that money I'd have appeared on the forums a couple of years sooner! In an ideal world we'd have one of each

Oh, looking back at some old threads, I found this:

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

Relevant?!!

Edited by Kyodo on Saturday 4th October 09:56

[Durzel]

Looking to trade up to a F430 Spider F1 myself now, am I right in thinking that 2008+ cars had CCB as standard, and their wear won't come up in a regular PPI? (I've heard that they have to be weighed or something to ascertain life expectancy)

Spec wise I'm essentially looking for the following (I've got one eye on resale, like others I guess):

- Rosso Red (or maybe Nero)
- Shields
- Nero or Crema interior (Crema suits the coupe well enough, unsure if Nero is the better choice for the Spider?)
- Yellow calipers & instruments
- Rear parking sensors (ideally F&R)
- Carbon driving zone + lower cabin zone
- Leather rear bench & underdoor

Beyond that I'm not entirely sure.. and to be honest the carbon & extended leather would probably be nices to have for me. Daytona seats much different? Carbon seats seem fairly rare.

Is Nav worth getting? I can't imagine the Becker system is much cop, if it's anything like a previous Porsche, and I've always just hooked up my phone and used Google Maps instead. If, like PCM on Porsches, it's a must for resale I'll get it though.

Just point me towards a buyers guide if it's easier

Edited by Durzel on Monday 20th October 11:57

[voicey]

There is a CCB wear algorithm computed in the instrument ECU based on braking intensity that'll give you a good idea of the type of use the brakes have had. Your PPI person should have an SD3 or similar.

I've just been called into a meeting - will respond to the rest of your post later...

[voicey]

In terms of your spec, Red and Black are the two most common colours so you should be able to find a car. I'm yet to see a F430 without shields and many have the carbon driving zone. The lower carbon zone is much less common, as are parking sensors. The yellow tach is standard I think. The Nav isn't that good to honest so I wouldn't worry about that.

My advice would be to start looking at cars and devise a strategy to weed out the cr@p - there are a lot of cars out there I wouldn't want to own.

For a buyers guide there's mine here: http://aldousvoice.com/ferrari-360-f430-buying-gui... Evo also did one (I think have a scan of it somewhere if you can't find it.)

[Durzel]

voicey said:

In terms of your spec, Red and Black are the two most common colours so you should be able to find a car. I'm yet to see a F430 without shields and many have the carbon driving zone. The lower carbon zone is much less common, as are parking sensors. The yellow tach is standard I think. The Nav isn't that good to honest so I wouldn't worry about that.

My advice would be to start looking at cars and devise a strategy to weed out the cr@p - there are a lot of cars out there I wouldn't want to own.

For a buyers guide there's mine here: http://aldousvoice.com/ferrari-360-f430-buying-gui... Evo also did one (I think have a scan of it somewhere if you can't find it.)

Thanks, appreciate the link too

EDIT: Wow, just read that page in full. A very comprehensive guide indeed, expertly written. Thanks very much!

Edited by Durzel on Monday 20th October 15:23

[SlartiF430]

Re the Becker unit. It's utter crap. I took it out and put a Parrot Asteroid in that gives me the lot - bluetooth, satnav, ipod/phone/usb connectivity etc. The sound is also sharply improved. I've kept the Becker unit for any purists that might want to put back in when I come to sell but it is honest utter crap.

[voicey]

I am going travelling for a month from the 22nd October and will not be able to publish my monthly market watch update on time. Please be rest assured that I will scrape the prices and am committed to providing the update as soon as I get back. Please also note that I will not be responding to any emails whilst I am away.

[Durzel]

Assuming one were to buy a well specced sub-20k mileage F430 Spider F1 from a non-franchised dealer at £80,000+, how much am I going to be taking a bath on the price trading it in to a dealer after 6-12 months?

From what I've gathered they aren't dropping much in price at the front end, but I'd be surprised if trade in prices were particularly generous given that most people seem to want or need the dealer experience for peace of mind? Dealers thus seem to hold all the cards.

Would appreciate any real world input anyone is prepared to give, as it'll probably colour which end of the market I'll be focusing on.

[TISPKJ]

I am currently looking as one option.
I keep a close eye on the classifieds and it appears anything at 69,995 if a nice car sells fairly quickly.
Other end is circa 80 and seems to be plenty of choice.
Depending on time of year etc if you paid 80k now and had to use dealer to buy and sell probably 10k ?

[Durzel]

TISPKJ said:

I am currently looking as one option.
I keep a close eye on the classifieds and it appears anything at 69,995 if a nice car sells fairly quickly.
Other end is circa 80 and seems to be plenty of choice.
Depending on time of year etc if you paid 80k now and had to use dealer to buy and sell probably 10k ?

Thanks, that sounds about what I was thinking based on a cursory search of a few forums.

[TISPKJ]

Durzel said:

TISPKJ said:

I am currently looking as one option.
I keep a close eye on the classifieds and it appears anything at 69,995 if a nice car sells fairly quickly.
Other end is circa 80 and seems to be plenty of choice.
Depending on time of year etc if you paid 80k now and had to use dealer to buy and sell probably 10k ?

Thanks, that sounds about what I was thinking based on a cursory search of a few forums.

Just to add the 430 market has stayed static for approx 2 years now maybe more.
I know of at least 2 or 3 cars that have been sold this year, used for the summer and then put up for sale again and achieved the same money, even in that scenario with no px on an SOR basis which a lot of cars seem to be your looking at 5k.
If you are px against something else then obviously your arguably going to get stung both ways.
I would say that a 430 is a fairly safe bet currently, and a 360 possibly even more so.

[purpleperil]

TISPKJ said:

Just to add the 430 market has stayed static for approx 2 years now maybe more.
I know of at least 2 or 3 cars that have been sold this year, used for the summer and then put up for sale again and achieved the same money, even in that scenario with no px on an SOR basis which a lot of cars seem to be your looking at 5k.
If you are px against something else then obviously your arguably going to get stung both ways.
I would say that a 430 is a fairly safe bet currently, and a 360 possibly even more so.

Just sold mine after 12 months and 5k miles - stood me to a service and the petrol I threw in it! Bought from and sold to trade as well.

[red_duke]

purpleperil said:

Just sold mine after 12 months and 5k miles - stood me to a service and the petrol I threw in it! Bought from and sold to trade as well.

If I understand what you're saying, you bought from and sold back to a dealer at the same price? That implies the F430 has gone up in value as the dealer presumably expects to get more than he just paid you for it.

[Sarnie]

voicey said:

I'm yet to see a F430 without shields

Here's one;

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/f...

Why is the ride height so high!?

[purpleperil]

red_duke said:

If I understand what you're saying, you bought from and sold back to a dealer at the same price? That implies the F430 has gone up in value as the dealer presumably expects to get more than he just paid you for it.

That's correct but different dealers. Believe it was bought to order too so won't be going back on sale just yet

[TISPKJ]

Don't forget it's slightly different with SOR cars.
One of the cars I refer to sold as far as I know at 69995, new owner kept for just 2 or 3 months and has just sold again via same outlet for same money, I guess for them it's like reinventing the wheel :-) for the owner it's cost him the SOR fee.
Point is car was advertised and sold at same or very similar money.