F430 Market Watch

[tuscaneer]

RamboLambo said:

Love you to start doing this sort of thing on McLaren 12C.

I think it will be very interesting reading over the next 18 months. Everyone must have spotted the trend on this forum alone

for someone who doesn't give a stuff about the value of their car portfolio you do seem obsessed with talking up mclaren!.....have you got one??

[Nano2nd]

RamboLambo said:

Love you to start doing this sort of thing on McLaren 12C.

I think it will be very interesting reading over the next 18 months. Everyone must have spotted the trend on this forum alone

here you go Rambo, i've just saved Voicey some hassle for you:

[Slickhillsy]

Nano2nd said:

here you go Rambo, i've just saved Voicey some hassle for you:

PMSL!!!!

[Kyodo]

RamboLambo said:

Love you to start doing this sort of thing on McLaren 12C.

I think it will be very interesting reading over the next 18 months. Everyone must have spotted the trend on this forum alone

Everyone on the forum has probably spotted a trend of one person in particular talking them up during almost all other topics, related or not, yawwwwwwn
You should understand it's not simply about ultimate ability. I wanted a Ferrari so we have a Ferrari. I've always wanted a Ferrari so to choose between a mid-price Ferrari or newer McLaren, the Italian will win every time.

[tuscaneer]

i think you've hit the nail there pal...i quite like the macs......i'm sure they're great drives. my interest was piqued enough last year to go to the showroom in knutsford and have a poke around one.....

i still don't WANT one like i used to burn for astons...bought three of them. times change and so do tastes, i ended up lusting after ferarri 430s and ended up doing it twice. liking and respecting a car is one thing but that x factor that makes you want to buy into the brand is a whole other story.

[dvb247]

Great thread Voicey, I read a comment that F430's are on the cusp of rising considerably, something to do with now being 10 years old and that all Ferrari's in recent history share this 10 year phenomenon? The chap that made the statement is so convinced he's bought back it to the F430 model (his words not mine!!!)

Is this just wishful thinking or is there some truth in it?

[RamboLambo]

tuscaneer said:

for someone who doesn't give a stuff about the value of their car portfolio you do seem obsessed with talking up mclaren!.....have you got one??

No just 2 now and I Love them so much I'm thinking about buying the company.

Don't forget I had a F430 Spider and 430Scuderia in their day and still have a F355 GTS Manual

[RamboLambo]

Nano2nd said:

here you go Rambo, i've just saved Voicey some hassle for you:

Brilliant

Just turn the arrow around and you have got it spot on. Prices are already on the rise but I'm sure you are not blind and are fully aware of that

[tuscaneer]

RamboLambo said:

tuscaneer said:

for someone who doesn't give a stuff about the value of their car portfolio you do seem obsessed with talking up mclaren!.....have you got one??

No just 2 now and I Love them so much I'm thinking about buying the company.

Don't forget I had a F430 Spider and 430Scuderia in their day and still have a F355 GTS Manual

i think you may have missed the facetious little smiley face i attached to that post mate!....just a gentle little dig at your unwavering championing of all things mclaren while seeming to be a little annoyed at the lowly manual 430 owners who are doing well on the value front!

outrageous bragging on a faceless internet forum doesn't make anybody look good

Edited by tuscaneer on Thursday 4th February 08:26

[tuscaneer]

i think i've just put 2 and 2 together.... were you the guy with the red lambo something-or-other with the rear wing on it?

[red_duke]

tuscaneer said:

i think i've just put 2 and 2 together.... were you the guy with the red lambo something-or-other with the rear wing on it?

Yes, the Gallardo LP 570-4 Spyder Performante Edizione Tecnica (or PET if you can't be bothered with all that).

Now perhaps we can all ignore MumboJumbo's intrusion on Voicey' s excellent thread and get back to business?

[tuscaneer]

red_duke said:

tuscaneer said:

i think i've just put 2 and 2 together.... were you the guy with the red lambo something-or-other with the rear wing on it?

Yes, the Gallardo LP 570-4 Spyder Performante Edizione Tecnica (or PET if you can't be bothered with all that).

Now perhaps we can all ignore MumboJumbo's intrusion on Voicey' s excellent thread and get back to business?

christ, i remember all those laborious posts about everyone else having st cars that were worthless and the only viable option for future resale value was a red lambo 4567835626257272574627247627 or whatever it was.

explains a lot!

[Slickhillsy]

tuscaneer said:

i think you may have missed the facetious little smiley face i attached to that post mate!....just a gentle little dig at your unwavering championing of all things mclaren RamboLambo

Edited by tuscaneer on Thursday 4th February 08:26

Typo corrected!

[tuscaneer]

Slickhillsy said:

tuscaneer said:

i think you may have missed the facetious little smiley face i attached to that post mate!....just a gentle little dig at your unwavering championing of all things mclaren RamboLambo

Edited by tuscaneer on Thursday 4th February 08:26

Typo corrected!

in light of my epiphany.....you may be right!!

[voicey]

dvb247 said:

Great thread Voicey, I read a comment that F430's are on the cusp of rising considerably, something to do with now being 10 years old and that all Ferrari's in recent history share this 10 year phenomenon? The chap that made the statement is so convinced he's bought back it to the F430 model (his words not mine!!!)

Is this just wishful thinking or is there some truth in it?

In my opinion, that's rubbish. Prices are determined by lots of other things and not an arbitrary point in time. When the 360 was 10 years old (about five years ago) prices were going down....

[sealtt]

dvb247 said:

Great thread Voicey, I read a comment that F430's are on the cusp of rising considerably, something to do with now being 10 years old and that all Ferrari's in recent history share this 10 year phenomenon? The chap that made the statement is so convinced he's bought back it to the F430 model (his words not mine!!!)

Is this just wishful thinking or is there some truth in it?

Sounds like a typical dealer 'upcoming price rise' line.

[ZeroH]

Fantastic update as always Aldous.. thanks for your continuing commitment to this !

[FFM]

Thank you Aldous, interesting as always.

Talking about official dealers' F430s priced below 90/95k, I ve seen they increased the prices on their stock by approx. £6k each, over the last two weeks. Interestingly enough, these are the same 5-6 cars that they took on in mid-December.

So net net, they are increasing prices by a good 7% over a month despite A) the same cars remained unsold for a good 1 month and a half, B) increased supply (i.e. number of cars for sale, see data below) and C) bad seasonality

1. of Official dealers' F430s listed on PH:

Dec '15: 23
Jan '16 : 26
Feb '16: 28

let's not take into account increased financial market volatility over January, which, let's assume, may put some people off buying...does anyone all the points raised above suggest a pricing re-adjustment in the short-term? or.. am I missing something?

[voicey]

FFM said:

Thank you Aldous, interesting as always.

Talking about official dealers' F430s priced below 90/95k, I ve seen they increased the prices on their stock by approx. £6k each, over the last two weeks. Interestingly enough, these are the same 5-6 cars that they took on in mid-December.

So net net, they are increasing prices by a good 7% over a month despite A) the same cars remained unsold for a good 1 month and a half, B) increased supply (i.e. number of cars for sale, see data below) and C) bad seasonality

1. of Official dealers' F430s listed on PH:

Dec '15: 23
Jan '16 : 26
Feb '16: 28

let's not take into account increased financial market volatility over January, which, let's assume, may put some people off buying...does anyone all the points raised above suggest a pricing re-adjustment in the short-term? or.. am I missing something?

Perhaps they are raising their prices in anticipation of some good weather? I personally think the F430 is undervalued when compared to other Ferrari tipos - if the overall Ferrari market holds at these levels then I think there is room for the F430 to rise more. Just look at what people are paying for a 360....

[keith jecks]

Might it be something to do with dealers wanting to clear out stock before their year end? Do they take the view that if they have to carry the car through the year end, it doesn't make much difference if it takes a few months to sell so why not put the price up a bit?