F430 Market Watch

[dvb247]

I think I've fallen victim to RamboRamlings!! I don't really mind a bubble correction as I'm hankering for a newer model Ferrari hence my point that the 458 is £50k away from it's F430 predecessor yet the 360 and the 355 are same money as the F430, the F355 I can understand but not the 360? the F430 has not increased when compared to the 360, why not?
The markets don't lie though, if the market is willing to pay £160k for a 2010 458 like I've seen advertised in Stratstone then fine, bring on the price correction haha.

[BigLion]

voicey said:

For the latest on 360 prices please head over here (please note that, despite it being in breach of the new posting rules, I have specific approval to link back to my website on this thread).

Average F430 asking prices have come off a little, down 0.75% over the last month leaving the price index at 130.01.

Market conditions remain tough for vendors unless they are selling a manual, in which case the buyers are out there. It's not really applicable to the F430 market, but bottom end crap is really bid up at the moment with people prepared to pay a premium for a perceived bargain. The papers seem to think that Article 50 will be triggered in the next few weeks - this is a good thing in that we move closer to ending the current shroud of uncertainty that is hanging over UK markets.

Two things have cheered me up over the last few days, firstly the weather is much improved (which should bring a few buyers out of the woodwork). I also noticed that I bought my own F430 in Nov 2013 - right at the low point on the chart which gives me a theoretical 35% gain. Much better than most of the dogs that make up my share portfolio...

Edited by voicey on Thursday 2nd March 13:54

Excellent data - I'm in the market for a F430 but it does feel like a correction down to c£80-85k is due - will hold fire until winter on my purchase...then whatever the price there will be one in the garage as life is too short to count bank notes when I could be driving!!!

[mikeknivett]

Am sitting here researching manual F430 values and came across this thread, what an utterly fantastic and useful amount of data, really helpful.

I spoke to a dealer today who has a manual rosso Spider with sports seats at 149,950 and he was suggesting that possibly the coupe from a collectors perspective was purer, less to go wrong and may be more desirable in years to come.

I've seen a manual couple at around 20k less, basically same mileage, colour and sports seats and that seems significantly less.

I wondered anyone's esteemed opinion on this? His argument was that many coupes have been exported to Malaysia and places so a good manual coupe could be a better long term financial bet.

Thanks again for the great data.

[Nano2nd]

mikeknivett said:

Am sitting here researching manual F430 values and came across this thread, what an utterly fantastic and useful amount of data, really helpful.

I spoke to a dealer today who has a manual rosso Spider with sports seats at 149,950 and he was suggesting that possibly the coupe from a collectors perspective was purer, less to go wrong and may be more desirable in years to come.

I've seen a manual couple at around 20k less, basically same mileage, colour and sports seats and that seems significantly less.

I wondered anyone's esteemed opinion on this? His argument was that many coupes have been exported to Malaysia and places so a good manual coupe could be a better long term financial bet.

Thanks again for the great data.

whos knows? some people prefer a coupe, some the spider, the reviews suggest theres no much between them as a drivers car, okay the coupe has less to go wrong, but the spider has wind in your hair action i've got a manual coupe for sale its not red, but its considerably cheaper that what your talking about.

[Ben the builder]

If that's the 55 reg with 18000 miles one you can have my 56 plate with 18800 miles for £10000 less. I'm buying some land and could do with the cash!

[BigLion]

Ben the builder said:

If that's the 55 reg with 18000 miles one you can have my 56 plate with 18800 miles for £10000 less. I'm buying some land and could do with the cash!

Manual? Coupe?

[Ben the builder]

Manual. Spider. Red. Cream.

[Yipper]

It is now the manual Gallardo's turn to go bonkers.

A 2004 manual up for sale at £100k.

A 2009 Balboni manual up for sale at £350k.

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/l...

[dvb247]

I wonder how much cheap F430 "phishing" adverts affect the figures?
Case in point - just called The SuperCar Room to enquire about their £94,995 grey 2008 F430 spider that stands out as a very cheap car, it looks gorgeous with loads of options, carbon driving zone, CCM brakes(standard I know), front/rear parks, capristo manifolds, low miles etc.
The call went as follows, me "is your car still for sale?" answer "oh that one, no no, can I take your details so we can call you when another one comes in?"
I thought nothing of it but tonight I noticed they have just re-advertised it on eBay!!!

[voicey]

For the latest on 360 prices please head over here.

Average F430 asking prices has softened again, this time down 25bps over the last month. Although this (and last months) dip have been minor, the F430 market remains slow which is in stark contrast to the 360 market where things are starting to pick up.

However the overall automotive market is starting to wake up - if you're considering a F430 then I would move now before the good weather and activity in other tipos wake up buyers.

[bordseye]

So is the 430 destined to end up like the 348, a car worth less than both its predecessor and successor?

[LiamDC]

Hi all,

I’ve been following this thread for some time but this is my first post, I traded in an F430 on Tuesday 04/04/17 for a 458 Italia and would just like to share my experience to give you all an idea of part ex values. My car was a 2006 F1 Rosso red with black Daytona seats it had covered 18,000 miles with full Ferrari service history. They gave me £71,000 for the F430 which I was happy with as I paid £72,000 for the car when I bought it in 2014. I bought the 458 from GC Motors in Harrogate it’s a 2011 with 11,800 miles and it cost £145,000.

I also got offered £77,500 from Ferrari Meridien Modena in Hampshire but that was against a 2012 458 at £160,000 with 10,700 miles

[red_duke]

LiamDC said:

Hi all,

I’ve been following this thread for some time but this is my first post, I traded in an F430 on Tuesday 04/04/17 for a 458 Italia and would just like to share my experience to give you all an idea of part ex values. My car was a 2006 F1 Rosso red with black Daytona seats it had covered 18,000 miles with full Ferrari service history. They gave me £71,000 for the F430 which I was happy with as I paid £72,000 for the car when I bought it in 2014. I bought the 458 from GC Motors in Harrogate it’s a 2011 with 11,800 miles and it cost £145,000.

I also got offered £77,500 from Ferrari Meridien Modena in Hampshire but that was against a 2012 458 at £160,000 with 10,700 miles

Interesting. They seem to be retailing your car at £81,990. £10k dealer margin is about par for the course I reckon. Wonder what Meridien would have retailed it for having paid £77,500!

Thanks for posting these real world figures.

[BigLion]

red_duke said:

LiamDC said:

Hi all,

I’ve been following this thread for some time but this is my first post, I traded in an F430 on Tuesday 04/04/17 for a 458 Italia and would just like to share my experience to give you all an idea of part ex values. My car was a 2006 F1 Rosso red with black Daytona seats it had covered 18,000 miles with full Ferrari service history. They gave me £71,000 for the F430 which I was happy with as I paid £72,000 for the car when I bought it in 2014. I bought the 458 from GC Motors in Harrogate it’s a 2011 with 11,800 miles and it cost £145,000.

I also got offered £77,500 from Ferrari Meridien Modena in Hampshire but that was against a 2012 458 at £160,000 with 10,700 miles

Interesting. They seem to be retailing your car at £81,990. £10k dealer margin is about par for the course I reckon. Wonder what Meridien would have retailed it for having paid £77,500!

Thanks for posting these real world figures.

Agreed, this is very useful

[WEHGuy]

LiamDC said:

Hi all,

I’ve been following this thread for some time but this is my first post, I traded in an F430 on Tuesday 04/04/17 for a 458 Italia and would just like to share my experience to give you all an idea of part ex values. My car was a 2006 F1 Rosso red with black Daytona seats it had covered 18,000 miles with full Ferrari service history. They gave me £71,000 for the F430 which I was happy with as I paid £72,000 for the car when I bought it in 2014. I bought the 458 from GC Motors in Harrogate it’s a 2011 with 11,800 miles and it cost £145,000.

I also got offered £77,500 from Ferrari Meridien Modena in Hampshire but that was against a 2012 458 at £160,000 with 10,700 miles

What's your comparison? I have been considering making the swap too or possibly an F12.

[LiamDC]

WEHGuy said:

What's your comparison? I have been considering making the swap too or possibly an F12.

The biggest difference is the DCT gearbox although I did also love the single clutch box in the F430, it also feels quite a lot faster partly down too the seamless shifts and it just feels more refined in general. I'm sure the F12 will be another step up from the 458

[roygarth]

LiamDC said:

WEHGuy said:

What's your comparison? I have been considering making the swap too or possibly an F12.

The biggest difference is the DCT gearbox although I did also love the single clutch box in the F430, it also feels quite a lot faster partly down too the seamless shifts and it just feels more refined in general. I'm sure the F12 will be another step up from the 458

Does one really want/need very fast changes? I drove a Turbo S and the change was so fast/seamless that it reminded me of driving a Daf Varioram gearboxed Volvo back in the 1970's!

[WDISMYL]

roygarth said:

Does one really want/need very fast changes? I drove a Turbo S and the change was so fast/seamless that it reminded me of driving a Daf Varioram gearboxed Volvo back in the 1970's!

Are you suggesting paddle shifts should be outlawed because in your opinion they aren't necessary? Maybe we should ban supercars too because who needs to accelerate that quickly or go that fast? You clearly prefer manual, others clearly don't! I think car manufacturers would have stopped years ago if the market didn't in general prefer auto.

It will be interesting to see the proportion of purchasers of the new GT3 991.2 who will actually spec a manual over the auto. And how many do because they are hung up on potential future value because of the current market's obsession with hankering over a stick shift, when they secretly would like a nice modern paddle shift!

Edited by WDISMYL on Thursday 6th April 16:10

Edited by WDISMYL on Thursday 6th April 16:11

[Yipper]

roygarth said:

LiamDC said:

WEHGuy said:

What's your comparison? I have been considering making the swap too or possibly an F12.

The biggest difference is the DCT gearbox although I did also love the single clutch box in the F430, it also feels quite a lot faster partly down too the seamless shifts and it just feels more refined in general. I'm sure the F12 will be another step up from the 458

Does one really want/need very fast changes? I drove a Turbo S and the change was so fast/seamless that it reminded me of driving a Daf Varioram gearboxed Volvo back in the 1970's!

There is an argument to be made that paddle gearboxes have become too smooth, slick and dull.

If you go from Corsa mode in an Aventador (aggressive thump on upshift) to Race mode for DSG in a Golf R or TT-RS (~8 milliseconds to shift, faster than Porsche or Ferrari) on the same day, the DSG box shifts are pretty much imperceptible and it feels somewhat dull and you have to look at the dashboard to check it has actually changed gear up or down. Digital gearboxes are almost too good, in some respects.

At the other end of the scale, manual gearboxes are too slow and analog and faffing with the clutch in traffic becomes boring.

Perhaps the optimal box is somewhere in the middle of the extremes.

[anonymous-user]

Yes - the thump of a manual with the ease of a paddle. Like some sort of robotised manual gearbox. Hmm, which car has that..?