Stuck! Got £60k and fancy 360, Gallardo or DeTomaso Pantera
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Sorry - misleading- I meant drove rather than drive. I just liked the rawness of the 360 and preferred the exhaust note. Although I preferred the sharper front of the 430 I liked the rear of the 360 more. As everyone will tell you these are all great cars and whatever you go with you will enjoy - which is the most important thing !
correct the gallardo was developed 3-4 yrs later so is a degree further engineered and also more powerful so its not a strict comparison
mike01606 said:
I always class the Gallardo as a generation on from the 360. 430 is closer......at 60k you are close to the bottom of the market for both.
Pantera would be a real wild card but I wouldn't know how to price one in this market. Especially with the numbers of them around.
Agree with the comments about bottom feeding on a marque or reasons for not doing it but IMO buying at the top end is also not the best idea unless you are a polisher or collector.
I'd buy a well sorted car with a few miles so you don't have to worry about putting more one then I'd use it as it was intended.
With a 60k budget to o spend, from the 3 I'd buy a nice 360 for late 40's tops and keep the rest for rainy days or future swaps....
Pantera would be a real wild card but I wouldn't know how to price one in this market. Especially with the numbers of them around.
Agree with the comments about bottom feeding on a marque or reasons for not doing it but IMO buying at the top end is also not the best idea unless you are a polisher or collector.
I'd buy a well sorted car with a few miles so you don't have to worry about putting more one then I'd use it as it was intended.
With a 60k budget to o spend, from the 3 I'd buy a nice 360 for late 40's tops and keep the rest for rainy days or future swaps....
The Pantera can become your own project - there's a lot of parts and knowledge in the US, and they're pretty robust. A few friends of mine run their Panteras at trackdays and race them at the Silver State without a lot of work.
This one would force you to fly to San Francisco and then drive it to a port. What a hardship...
This one would force you to fly to San Francisco and then drive it to a port. What a hardship...
I've got up to about £50k now which moves me in to 360 territory and I can't find anything I'd rather have.
I'm a bit wary as everyone I have spoken to says to try and avoid being the cheapest of any car, as you'll spend on servicing and costs what you saved on the purchase price. I think it's a solid piece of advice so will have to think hard about it with respect to the 360 as from my searches £50k does put me towards the "bottom".
I read the PH buyers guide from 2012 which says they start around £35k - has the bottom really pushed up £10k in two years?!
I'm a bit wary as everyone I have spoken to says to try and avoid being the cheapest of any car, as you'll spend on servicing and costs what you saved on the purchase price. I think it's a solid piece of advice so will have to think hard about it with respect to the 360 as from my searches £50k does put me towards the "bottom".
I read the PH buyers guide from 2012 which says they start around £35k - has the bottom really pushed up £10k in two years?!
FrankAbagnale said:
I've got up to about £50k now which moves me in to 360 territory and I can't find anything I'd rather have.
I'm a bit wary as everyone I have spoken to says to try and avoid being the cheapest of any car, as you'll spend on servicing and costs what you saved on the purchase price. I think it's a solid piece of advice so will have to think hard about it with respect to the 360 as from my searches £50k does put me towards the "bottom".
I read the PH buyers guide from 2012 which says they start around £35k - has the bottom really pushed up £10k in two years?!
Unfortunately, or fortunately depending on your perspective, yes.I'm a bit wary as everyone I have spoken to says to try and avoid being the cheapest of any car, as you'll spend on servicing and costs what you saved on the purchase price. I think it's a solid piece of advice so will have to think hard about it with respect to the 360 as from my searches £50k does put me towards the "bottom".
I read the PH buyers guide from 2012 which says they start around £35k - has the bottom really pushed up £10k in two years?!
As an outsider looking in I can't understand how such a situation can sustain itself indefinitely. F430s are "only" circa £15k more, and if you look hard enough you could find an early or "high" (high being a relative term of course) mileage one knocking on the door of £60k. The F430 is, imo of course, objectively a straight upgrade in every department. Since the 458 is considerably more expensive and will remain so for some time, cushioning the F430, logic would dictate that 360s have to come down again. Then again the Ferrari market seems to be a unique beast.
Obviously take the above with however much salt you want, not trying to talk down any markets or disrespect the 360.
FrankAbagnale said:
I've got up to about £50k now which moves me in to 360 territory and I can't find anything I'd rather have.
I'm a bit wary as everyone I have spoken to says to try and avoid being the cheapest of any car, as you'll spend on servicing and costs what you saved on the purchase price. I think it's a solid piece of advice so will have to think hard about it with respect to the 360 as from my searches £50k does put me towards the "bottom".
I read the PH buyers guide from 2012 which says they start around £35k - has the bottom really pushed up £10k in two years?!
It does seem prices have gone up in quite a short period. I bought my 360 just over a year ago (Nov 2013). It was kind of an impulse buy - although I'd been browsing the ads I wasn't sure I would buy one, but went to see a local car. (Un?)Fortunately, it seemed to be exceptionally good to me - excellent condition, low miles (~20k), manual (which is what I wanted) and a bargain price - it seemed too good not to buy. It's not red, which limits the value a bit (had a red 348 before and wanted a more neutral colour. This was one of the colours I wanted - Grigio Alu) - but even so, I paid under £40k. At the time I thought I'd got an absolute bargain and I still do - the indy I use has also told me it's a very good example, although it did cost me a set of front brakes at the first service.I'm a bit wary as everyone I have spoken to says to try and avoid being the cheapest of any car, as you'll spend on servicing and costs what you saved on the purchase price. I think it's a solid piece of advice so will have to think hard about it with respect to the 360 as from my searches £50k does put me towards the "bottom".
I read the PH buyers guide from 2012 which says they start around £35k - has the bottom really pushed up £10k in two years?!
ETA : If you are considering one, I recommend them. I thought the 348 was good, but the 360 really is excellent. You can trundle around town if you choose to and with a stock exhaust / exhaust valves still working you can have a conversation in the car without needing to shout. In fact, it's quieter in the cabin than my 996 turbo. But floor it, and it sounds lovely / turns into a proper sports car (which I'd say my 996 turbo does not). It's got the best steering feel / turn in that I've ever had on a car - love it.
Edited by davek_964 on Monday 5th January 12:37
ok if you like the pantera then this is left field but might also work, I love it.
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/v...
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/v...
Durzel said:
As an outsider looking in I can't understand how such a situation can sustain itself indefinitely. F430s are "only" circa £15k more, and if you look hard enough you could find an early or "high" (high being a relative term of course) mileage one knocking on the door of £60k. The F430 is, imo of course, objectively a straight upgrade in every department. Since the 458 is considerably more expensive and will remain so for some time, cushioning the F430, logic would dictate that 360s have to come down again. Then again the Ferrari market seems to be a unique beast.
I thought that about 308/328 prices cushioning the 355, and then thought that 355 prices would stop the 360 dropping to their level. I suspect someone somewhere thought the same about Dino prices supporting the 208 that replaced it.I don't think the Ferrari market is unique, I think there is a limited supply and when one car gets out of reach, the next down the chain becomes the entry point and demand increases. LHD is now starting to become less of a problem, and I suspect the 4 seat Ferraris will be the next to climb (they seem to have already started).
It happened to an extent with Porsche 911s up to the 993 series.
3 good cars. I know some don't like the 360 but I think it is a pretty car on the outside. The real downside is that the interior (the part as owner you spend most time looking at) is basically not much better than a Punto.
Between the 360 and Gallardo I'd actually go for the Gallardo but that's just because I personally think it is a little more lary and amusing.
However, neither come close to matching a Pantera. So much more of an event to drive. So much more of a gift to passers by. Far lower risk of meeting shiny people in nylon when being serviced and probably a lower risk investment if you buy well.
Against it, I'd imagine the risk of buying a turd would be higher than the with the others.
Between the 360 and Gallardo I'd actually go for the Gallardo but that's just because I personally think it is a little more lary and amusing.
However, neither come close to matching a Pantera. So much more of an event to drive. So much more of a gift to passers by. Far lower risk of meeting shiny people in nylon when being serviced and probably a lower risk investment if you buy well.
Against it, I'd imagine the risk of buying a turd would be higher than the with the others.
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