Why so many Huracan's for sale?
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Does seem quite a few around, imo, quite a few advertised don't exist though, ring up they offer to get you one! Then the more regular demo cars coming through, and speculators and also a lot of early owners offloading and reordering now the more extensive option list is available which wasn't last year, which is more logical as more readily available car than the Aventador was, so not having to wait years to get one if you sold your early car sat out over winter and got another for summer the following year.
Not huge differences in pricing between old model and new one if you had ccb which is now standard. Just people were getting big discounts as the Gallardo went out of production so it feels much more expensive. Same is true of 458 discounts now and when the new model comes in.
Time will tell but as a road car it's the best of the current offerings, however not sure if the UK market wants that, we shall see, it's been much better received elsewhere.
My only other comment is whomever specced some of the cars for sale it's not entirely surprising they are not keeping them for a long time, there is only a handful with a colour/spec that I would find acceptable without a significant discount and they all want over list for those.
Not huge differences in pricing between old model and new one if you had ccb which is now standard. Just people were getting big discounts as the Gallardo went out of production so it feels much more expensive. Same is true of 458 discounts now and when the new model comes in.
Time will tell but as a road car it's the best of the current offerings, however not sure if the UK market wants that, we shall see, it's been much better received elsewhere.
My only other comment is whomever specced some of the cars for sale it's not entirely surprising they are not keeping them for a long time, there is only a handful with a colour/spec that I would find acceptable without a significant discount and they all want over list for those.
Lamborghini dumped all the first years batch into the non US markets on account the car hadn't been type approved to sell in the US in time, so the US hadn't started sucking up their orders. Now the car is approved in the US most of the production run being built this year is going there. Meaning that getting a new one over here will become harder (longer lead time on delivery etc) which should firm prices up over here (standard demand/supply thing)
The UK has had 2-3 years worth of cars inside of a year - hence so many about.
This is what I was told anyway.
The UK has had 2-3 years worth of cars inside of a year - hence so many about.
This is what I was told anyway.
Mosi said:
Lamborghini dumped all the first years batch into the non US markets on account the car hadn't been type approved to sell in the US in time, so the US hadn't started sucking up their orders. Now the car is approved in the US most of the production run being built this year is going there. Meaning that getting a new one over here will become harder (longer lead time on delivery etc) which should firm prices up over here (standard demand/supply thing)
The UK has had 2-3 years worth of cars inside of a year - hence so many about.
This is what I was told anyway.
That's scary stuff if there is that much stock about. Negotiate hard and grab a bargain if it floats your boat and in a years time if prices harden you will have done ok.The UK has had 2-3 years worth of cars inside of a year - hence so many about.
This is what I was told anyway.
When McLaren production turns to the new Baby P11/P13 whatever its called 650S supply is going to dry up big style as well, so I can see a similar strengthening of residuals. Your only problem is there is no where near as many 650S has Huracans available and the relatively small numbers that are available now won't be come spring.
Looks like their are some potential good buys out there at the moment - happy hunting but I'm well chuffed with my 650S spider ( hey but I tend to lead where others follow
)Edited by GRBF430F1 on Thursday 15th January 22:32
GRBF430F1 said:
Mosi said:
Lamborghini dumped all the first years batch into the non US markets on account the car hadn't been type approved to sell in the US in time, so the US hadn't started sucking up their orders. Now the car is approved in the US most of the production run being built this year is going there. Meaning that getting a new one over here will become harder (longer lead time on delivery etc) which should firm prices up over here (standard demand/supply thing)
The UK has had 2-3 years worth of cars inside of a year - hence so many about.
This is what I was told anyway.
That's scary stuff if there is that much stock about. Negotiate hard and grab a bargain if it floats your boat and in a years time if prices harden you will have done ok.The UK has had 2-3 years worth of cars inside of a year - hence so many about.
This is what I was told anyway.
When McLaren production turns to the new Baby P11/P13 whatever its called 650S supply is going to dry up big style as well, so I can see a similar strengthening of residuals. Your only problem is there is no where near as many 650S has Huracans available and the relatively small numbers that are available now won't be come spring.
Looks like their are some potential good buys out there at the moment - happy hunting but I'm well chuffed with my 650S spider ( hey but I tend to lead where others follow
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If you want to spec a Huracan you'll wait 5 months or so for delivery I know I asked today!. I note all the cars for sale are about or above list price so read into that what you will.
For me the Huracan is the best looking new supercar out there, it looks like a smaller Aventador ( which in my opinion is the best looking car this side of 500k, but I would say that!)
For those who follow the motoring media who were disappointed by the way it tends to under steer I say get a grip, in 99.9% of you (us) will never get to the point where this is perceivable.
For me the Huracan is the best looking new supercar out there, it looks like a smaller Aventador ( which in my opinion is the best looking car this side of 500k, but I would say that!)
For those who follow the motoring media who were disappointed by the way it tends to under steer I say get a grip, in 99.9% of you (us) will never get to the point where this is perceivable.
sone said:
If you want to spec a Huracan you'll wait 5 months or so for delivery I know I asked today!. I note all the cars for sale are about or above list price so read into that what you will.
For me the Huracan is the best looking new supercar out there, it looks like a smaller Aventador ( which in my opinion is the best looking car this side of 500k, but I would say that!)
For those who follow the motoring media who were disappointed by the way it tends to under steer I say get a grip, in 99.9% of you (us) will never get to the point where this is perceivable.
That's the problem with all these test on supercars. They don't really reflect real life driving.For me the Huracan is the best looking new supercar out there, it looks like a smaller Aventador ( which in my opinion is the best looking car this side of 500k, but I would say that!)
For those who follow the motoring media who were disappointed by the way it tends to under steer I say get a grip, in 99.9% of you (us) will never get to the point where this is perceivable.
The cars are all so damn good and quick you will be lucky to extract 75% of the real potential on the road. Its down to personal preference
I thought the 458 Speciale was epic to drive but in reality unless you track it regularly you are never going to see the best of it.
In the end I went for the 650S spider for its broad range of abilities which were perfect for my driving needs. That won't be everyones cup of tea but as a " one size fits all car " I don't think anyone could argue there is anything better currently out there
J
GRBF430F1 said:
When McLaren production turns to the new Baby P11/P13 whatever its called 650S supply is going to dry up big style as well, so I can see a similar strengthening of residuals. Your only problem is there is no where near as many 650S has Huracans available and the relatively small numbers that are available now won't be come spring.
Think you are wrong there, not followed the Mac story closely but from what I read they want big production numbers and a model range... Not produce one line at a time... So baby car will not hit 650s production.... And from what I gather from another forum (s9, owners etc over there) the dealers have plenty of new car stock lying around.... 40k plus discounts to be had... Hope u got more off on yours.Edited by 70proof on Friday 16th January 08:31
70proof said:
Think you are wrong there, not followed the Mac story closely but from what I read they want big production numbers and a model range... Not produce one line at a time... So baby car will not hit 650s production.... And from what I gather from another forum (s9, owners etc over there) the dealers have plenty of new car stock lying around.... 40k plus discounts to be had... Hope u got more off on yours.
As someone who has followed the McLaren situation very closely I know you are wrong.Edited by 70proof on Friday 16th January 08:31
Yes they want to increase the range and overall car sales but the baby Mac is going to significantly reduce 650S production. Had it from the horses mouth
As regards big discounts yes there were 1 or 2 deals around on stock cars and / or used cars in December but not to the tune of £40k in my experience.
I spoke to every dealer in the UK about every spec car in stock and negotiated damn hard and those sort of numbers were not being thrown around at me as a CASH buyer.
I was offered £45k + off a 458 spider though
:If someone has got that off an odd mega spec old unit rammed up the dealers ar53 then fair play to them they have stolen it. The 650S is too good to be discounted heavily IMHO
Lots of scaremongering goes on so don't believe all the bravado. Get your cash out and wopp it on the table like I did
GRBF430F1 said:
Lots of scaremongering goes on so don't believe all the bravado. Get your cash out and wopp it on the table like I did
there are some proper buyers over there, not tyre kickers and speculators, that flip supercars after a few months...... they quote for fact 650s coupes going for under 180 though heavily specced and someone getting 60k unders...... even if that were for something lying around, rather than a bespoke order, that's one heck of a discount for a brand new car! GRBF430F1 said:
That's scary stuff if there is that much stock about. Negotiate hard and grab a bargain if it floats your boat and in a years time if prices harden you will have done ok.
When McLaren production turns to the new Baby P11/P13 whatever its called 650S supply is going to dry up big style as well, so I can see a similar strengthening of residuals.
You have clearly no idea about the 650 units then I'm afraid. If one managed to get the 650 at a significant discount (and I do mean significant) just like the 12c before then the prices have held relatively well. However vs list RRP.... there is absolutely no reason why the 650 will not end up like the 12c before. Perhaps you simply needed to negotiate better on the 650.....When McLaren production turns to the new Baby P11/P13 whatever its called 650S supply is going to dry up big style as well, so I can see a similar strengthening of residuals.
Been here before taking loads of stick off people when I bought the Lambo Performante and Scud but who is sitting pretty now. Kerrrrrching !
Lots of people talk the talk on here and profess to know it all. I certainly don't but I do know a lot more than the average punter and at the end of the day at least I walk the walk and put my money where my mouth is.
Easy to poo poo everything when you have no intention of forking out in the first place
Lots of people talk the talk on here and profess to know it all. I certainly don't but I do know a lot more than the average punter and at the end of the day at least I walk the walk and put my money where my mouth is.
Easy to poo poo everything when you have no intention of forking out in the first place
According to Howmanyleft* data for new registrations by manufacturer there were
2011 - 69 Mclarens and 157 Lamborghini's (100 Gallardo, 8 Aventador, 42 Model missing)
2012 - 226 Mclarens and 200 Lamborghini's (82 Gallardo, 72 Aventador, 41 Model missing)
2013 - 119 Mclarens and 178 Lamborghini's (72 Gallardo, 57 Aventador, 49 Model missing)
2014 - 139 Mclarens and 157 Lamborghini's (21 Gallardo, 49 Aventador, 62 Model missing)
NB. I know the total number of Lambo's doesn't equal the model breakdown, but there are also a small number of 'new' Mucielago and Diablos that have been registered in that period - presumably imports(?)
These are quite low numbers and show that a significant percentage of cars are put up for sale pretty soon after purchase. Whether this is because owners are fickle or just speculators is clearly up for debate.
For comparison, Ferrari new car registrations were 4-5 times higher
2011 - 629
2012 - 834
2013 - 887
2014 - 752
2011 - 69 Mclarens and 157 Lamborghini's (100 Gallardo, 8 Aventador, 42 Model missing)
2012 - 226 Mclarens and 200 Lamborghini's (82 Gallardo, 72 Aventador, 41 Model missing)
2013 - 119 Mclarens and 178 Lamborghini's (72 Gallardo, 57 Aventador, 49 Model missing)
2014 - 139 Mclarens and 157 Lamborghini's (21 Gallardo, 49 Aventador, 62 Model missing)
NB. I know the total number of Lambo's doesn't equal the model breakdown, but there are also a small number of 'new' Mucielago and Diablos that have been registered in that period - presumably imports(?)
These are quite low numbers and show that a significant percentage of cars are put up for sale pretty soon after purchase. Whether this is because owners are fickle or just speculators is clearly up for debate.
For comparison, Ferrari new car registrations were 4-5 times higher
2011 - 629
2012 - 834
2013 - 887
2014 - 752
100 IAN said:
According to Howmanyleft* data for new registrations by manufacturer there were
2011 - 69 Mclarens and 157 Lamborghini's (100 Gallardo, 8 Aventador, 42 Model missing)
2012 - 226 Mclarens and 200 Lamborghini's (82 Gallardo, 72 Aventador, 41 Model missing)
2013 - 119 Mclarens and 178 Lamborghini's (72 Gallardo, 57 Aventador, 49 Model missing)
2014 - 139 Mclarens and 157 Lamborghini's (21 Gallardo, 49 Aventador, 62 Model missing)
NB. I know the total number of Lambo's doesn't equal the model breakdown, but there are also a small number of 'new' Mucielago and Diablos that have been registered in that period - presumably imports(?)
These are quite low numbers and show that a significant percentage of cars are put up for sale pretty soon after purchase. Whether this is because owners are fickle or just speculators is clearly up for debate.
For comparison, Ferrari new car registrations were 4-5 times higher
2011 - 629
2012 - 834
2013 - 887
2014 - 752
interesting how mclaren registrations literally halved from 2012 to 20132011 - 69 Mclarens and 157 Lamborghini's (100 Gallardo, 8 Aventador, 42 Model missing)
2012 - 226 Mclarens and 200 Lamborghini's (82 Gallardo, 72 Aventador, 41 Model missing)
2013 - 119 Mclarens and 178 Lamborghini's (72 Gallardo, 57 Aventador, 49 Model missing)
2014 - 139 Mclarens and 157 Lamborghini's (21 Gallardo, 49 Aventador, 62 Model missing)
NB. I know the total number of Lambo's doesn't equal the model breakdown, but there are also a small number of 'new' Mucielago and Diablos that have been registered in that period - presumably imports(?)
These are quite low numbers and show that a significant percentage of cars are put up for sale pretty soon after purchase. Whether this is because owners are fickle or just speculators is clearly up for debate.
For comparison, Ferrari new car registrations were 4-5 times higher
2011 - 629
2012 - 834
2013 - 887
2014 - 752
panic !!!
no-wonder that they had to rush-out the bodge of a facelift that is the 650
GRBF430F1 said:
Been here before taking loads of stick off people when I bought the Lambo Performante and Scud but who is sitting pretty now. Kerrrrrching !
Lots of people talk the talk on here and profess to know it all. I certainly don't but I do know a lot more than the average punter and at the end of the day at least I walk the walk and put my money where my mouth is.
Easy to poo poo everything when you have no intention of forking out in the first place
Love your optimism GRBF....but if you think the 650s will hold its price you are in for one big shock!! Same applies to the Huracan by the way - too much production nowadays, and too much competition -there's something new every 6 months coming out, and the really big spenders don't worry much about losing £50k in 6 months in order to get the newest and best. The 650s was shown at Geneva in March 2014 and Spiders which came out of the factory 6 months ago with a retail price of £245k are now up for £189k with at least another £10k off if you ask. Enjoy it but don't try convincing anyone here that it makes financial sense....Lots of people talk the talk on here and profess to know it all. I certainly don't but I do know a lot more than the average punter and at the end of the day at least I walk the walk and put my money where my mouth is.
Easy to poo poo everything when you have no intention of forking out in the first place
andrew said:
no-wonder that they had to rush-out the bodge of a facelift that is the 650
I do so enjoy your insights andrew!
I have no idea what the future holds for the 650s, it may well be worth 20 pence in a years time. You, I and most of the people in this branch of PH understand the dichotomous danger and hilarity of buying a car like this in the pathetic, misplaced hope that it will somehow "Hold it's money", we can only laugh really.
However, I've just dipped a toe into a 650s Spider and disregarding GRB's boundless and somewhat questionable enthusiasm for whatever car he just watched on Top Gear it really is worth a test drive. Ugly it certainly is but f
k me sideways with a salted Herring it's breathtakingly fun. A bodge it is not.
Hope you are well.
Edited by br d on Friday 16th January 23:45
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