Superleggera Mk1 or Scuderia?

[4l3x]

Assuming the availability of a nice example of each from a friend of a friend and ignoring values (please, IGNORING values), which would you choose? (I say ignoring values because I couldnt give a hoot, I just want to pick the car that'll give me the best investment in FUN!)

I've done a lot of research online and my findings thus far are... based on the fact the Superleggera Mk1 was released in 2007 (?) and Scuderia in 2010 (?) and is a consensus that the Scuderia is technically superior. My understanding is also that reviews for the Superleggera when launched were mixed and some drivers suggest the Superleggera isn't different enough from a standard Gallardo to justify choosing over a Scud or even that they "fixed some of the issues of the original Superleggera with its follow up" (as one reviewer put it). However, isnt this the same argument as people will have between 360CS and Scud - i.e. that the Scud IS a better car technically and you can always find fault with the 360CS if you look at its newer model, but that doesnt necessarily mean the older car isnt a fantastic drive in its own right.

For my part, I really like the looks of the Mk1 Superleggera and it has that early "race car for the road" feel that the 360CS has. I know the Scud is a fantastic car but it just looks really fugly to me. I wont really have chance to drive either before making up my mind, so my only concern is that I'll be missing out on a much better driving experience in the Scuderia (from what I've read online) but surely the Mk1 Superleggera is still really fun to drive?

Advice/suggestions/opinions from those who have driven and/or owned both would be appreciated.

[Craigwww]

If 'Value' is of no concern and you have the budget for a Scuderia, why not look at the LP570 SL or Performante cars, better all round than the Mk1 SL and much more readily available.

[4l3x]

Craigwww said:

If 'Value' is of no concern and you have the budget for a Scuderia, why not look at the LP570 SL or Performante cars, better all round than the Mk1 SL and much more readily available.

True more readily available but many have said the Mk1 has an avid following for being rawer (in a similar sense as the 360CS has a following and the Scud isnt always considered the automatic 1st choice over a 360CS) - is the "following" for the Mk1 Superleggera justified?

[70proof]

always found this article interesting.......

http://www.motoring.com.au/reviews/2008/comparison...

in reality, the pre LP gallardo was a competitor to the 360, not to the f430, and the scud was the final iteration of the 430, when all the foibles could be ironed out....

[Craigwww]

4l3x said:

True more readily available but many have said the Mk1 has an avid following for being rawer (in a similar sense as the 360CS has a following and the Scud isnt always considered the automatic 1st choice over a 360CS) - is the "following" for the Mk1 Superleggera justified?

I would agree that the Mk1 has more of a cult following but that doesn't necessarily mean it's the better or indeed the more 'raw' car. That's the problem with discussing 'cult cars', owners will defend them to the death regardless of how good they actually are. Mk1 good examples are in high demand but alot of that is to do with price, 100k vs 130k+ for the LP models.

In my experience the only thing better in the Mk1 is the sound, slightly more raucous than the LP, but that's it. The LP570 is faster, sharper, lighter, has a higher cpacity engine and handles better than the Mk1.. that's fact. Subjectively it's also better looking but that will always divide opinion.

[4l3x]

Craigwww said:

I would agree that the Mk1 has more of a cult following but that doesn't necessarily mean it's the better or indeed the more 'raw' car. That's the problem with discussing 'cult cars', owners will defend them to the death regardless of how good they actually are. Mk1 good examples are in high demand but alot of that is to do with price, 100k vs 130k+ for the LP models.

In my experience the only thing better in the Mk1 is the sound, slightly more raucous than the LP, but that's it. The LP570 is faster, sharper, lighter, has a higher cpacity engine and handles better than the Mk1.. that's fact. Subjectively it's also better looking but that will always divide opinion.

Good points and in most cases the newer model will always be technically better, the older cars can still be fantastic for what they are - if they werent no one would enjoy driving any of them still and clearly there are many cars that are still stunning and enjoyable in their own right despite having technically superior successors. In this case though, while I'm keen to ignore values, I do wonder if the Mk1 could ever eclipse the Mk2 as the CS has with the scud.

Nevertheless, I'm curious though to hear feedback from those that have driven Superleggera Mk1 and Scud which theyd choose given the choice of either. Anyone got any personal experience living with both?

[EvoIV NL]

You should speak to Mosi, hes had both. Although at the end of the day its your own opinion that counts which means you need to drive both and decide...

[pje1210]

In reality, the pre LP gallardo was a competitor to the 360, not to the f430, and the scud was the final iteration of the 430, when all the foibles could be ironed out....
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I'm sorry but the pre LP cars would eat a 360 for breakfast, maybe not the f430 as easy to be a track, but in straight line the pre LP would again give the 430 a run for its money.

I'm not just saying this as I own a pre LP gallardo, but please let's keep things to the facts

[pje1210]

In reality, the pre LP gallardo was a competitor to the 360, not to the f430, and the scud was the final iteration of the 430, when all the foibles could be ironed out....
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I'm sorry but the pre LP cars would eat a 360 for breakfast, maybe not the f430 as easy to be a track, but in straight line the pre LP would again give the 430 a run for its money.

I'm not just saying this as I own a pre LP gallardo, but please let's keep things to the facts

[Slickhillsy]

Interesting post, having had three Fezza's I did think about a change and first on my list was a MK1 SupperL. I think they look stunning especially in that grey black combo... However for me special as it is it just didn't look that special... I then took out a Scuderia and it absolutely blew my socks off... I've just been out in it today and the thing really is mighty.

Ferrari also has the whole heritage thing going on which helps...

All down to, personal choice at the end of the day. Both great cars, I would say go see both a see which one makes you go OOOooooooooooooo

[EpsomJames]

70proof said:

always found this article interesting.......

http://www.motoring.com.au/reviews/2008/comparison...

in reality, the pre LP gallardo was a competitor to the 360, not to the f430, and the scud was the final iteration of the 430, when all the foibles could be ironed out....

Nice review of the SL gen1 there.

Unfortunately only owned one of OPs two cars and can only compare that to regular F430s so can't give any input here.

[70proof]

pje1210 said:

70proof said:

In reality, the pre LP gallardo was a competitor to the 360, not to the f430, and the scud was the final iteration of the 430, when all the foibles could be ironed out....

I'm sorry but the pre LP cars would eat a 360 for breakfast, maybe not the f430 as easy to be a track, but in straight line the pre LP would again give the 430 a run for its money.

I'm not just saying this as I own a pre LP gallardo, but please let's keep things to the facts

that is my point, the pre LP gallardo beat the 360 easy and gave the 430 a good run too, but when the gallardo came out it was against the 360... thus the OP is comparing apples to oranges imho.... thus not truly fair to compare scud vs gen 1 sl...

op, get what rocks your boat...

[sa_20v]

70proof said:

that is my point, the pre LP gallardo beat the 360 easy and gave the 430 a good run too, but when the gallardo came out it was against the 360... thus the OP is comparing apples to oranges imho.... thus not truly fair to compare scud vs gen 1 sl...

op, get what rocks your boat...

I agree with you. It's about what car puts a smile on your face and, although it won't help the OP, both cars will certainly do that.

For my two pennies, I adore my SL, it's not as quick as modern day competitors but the noise, rarity (fewer than the LP570-4, CS or Scud) and rawness still have me hooked. You could throw me the keys to a LP570-4 and you'd have them thrown back at you - it's just not as enjoyable or involving but obviously still a good car. That said you wouldn't want to trust me with CS or Scud keys!

Here's which one Lewis Hamilton chose - but what does he know!



Taken in 2013 so he's probably driving a Scuderia now (as well as his Zonda - the lucky boy)!

[Dblue]

70proof said:

pje1210 said:

70proof said:

In reality, the pre LP gallardo was a competitor to the 360, not to the f430, and the scud was the final iteration of the 430, when all the foibles could be ironed out....

I'm sorry but the pre LP cars would eat a 360 for breakfast, maybe not the f430 as easy to be a track, but in straight line the pre LP would again give the 430 a run for its money.

I'm not just saying this as I own a pre LP gallardo, but please let's keep things to the facts

that is my point, the pre LP gallardo beat the 360 easy and gave the 430 a good run too, but when the gallardo came out it was against the 360... thus the OP is comparing apples to oranges imho.... thus not truly fair to compare scud vs gen 1 sl...

op, get what rocks your boat...

Not had an SL but can say without doubt the Lamborghini is likely to be substantially better put together. My Scud spent weeks in paint shops and dealers getting stuff fixed. Paint, electrics, suspension components , carbon fibre all needed work/replacement.
Engine and gearbox brilliant though and strong.
My admittedly LP gen Gallardo is perfect by comparison.

[andrew]

my mini's technically a better car than my superleggera, but that's missing the point

the original superleggera produces more life affirming, laugh out loud moments than anything else that i have ever driven

[sonicbloo]

4l3x said:

I know the Scud is a fantastic car but it just looks really fugly to me.

I think you've already made your mind up!

[GRBF430F1]

If its a driving car you are after the Scuderia trumps both the Mk I Superleggera and Mk II LP570-4 Lambo IMHO. I agree with poster above that mark II LP versions of Gallardo are a far better overall car than pre LP s

If you throw a bit of posing in there I guess the Lambo is more wow for the general public and a lot of people wont get how much better the 430 Scuderia is over a standard F430.

That said I chose to keep the Performante over the Scuderia because the missus loves the lambo and all the attention it gets but she was not so keen on the Scuderia. At least world war III was averted

[Mosi]

I had a Mk1 2008 SuperLeggera for 18 months and did 10k miles in it.

I had a 2009 Scuderia for 3 years (longest I've ever kept a car) for another 14k miles

Scud was mega, but felt so much more fragile than the SuperLeggera (this said it was totally reliable bar constantly needing front bushes every five minutes). The F1 gearbox poops on the e-Gear though

SuperLeggera was more mega though, I loved that car more (only just mind)

This said, I'm a Lambo chap, always have been....the Ferrari brand just wasn't me really

SuperLeggera (Mk1 anyway) is the rarer thing these days, but the Scud's have proved to be the wiser investment