Supercar jealousy

[mon the fish]

davek_964 said:

The jealousy thing is based on a very simplistic view though.

I don't have any kids. I had a colleague who spent far more in childcare each month for his two kids than I spend on my cars. Should I be jealous of his lifestyle and "key" his kids out of jealousy?

No you should laugh at his misfortune

[davek_964]

mon the fish said:

davek_964 said:

The jealousy thing is based on a very simplistic view though.

I don't have any kids. I had a colleague who spent far more in childcare each month for his two kids than I spend on my cars. Should I be jealous of his lifestyle and "key" his kids out of jealousy?

No you should laugh at his misfortune

[cho]

dang2407 said:

^^^^ That is what I said/meant...

The gist of my post was that as a person in a priveleged circumstance, we should understand where they are coming from and not say "F___ them, they should just work harder".

It works both ways. I'm sure most of us understand it is a privilege to have a nice anything not just a car. The spiteful vandals should also understand that someone has most probably worked hard to own the 'nice item' that they just damaged.

I believe the 'work harder' statements come from frustration rather than looking down on people which is where the difference is. As most of us have mentioned abuse and damage to their cars in this thread which has not been provoked it is easy to conclude who is 100% in the wrong. It's difficult to ask anyone to sympathise when you've just been slapped in the face without provocation.

There are many people out there who appreciate and love cool cars etc who are also probably in the camp of never being able to own one and you don't see them keying a car or hurling abuse as they're taking pictures of said object!

[br d]

dang2407 said:

^^^^ That is what I said/meant...

The gist of my post was that as a person in a priveleged circumstance, we should understand where they are coming from and not say "F___ them, they should just work harder".

Not sure I agree with this. Yes it is a privilege to own a supercar but that's not the same as being in "privileged circumstances", many people didn't come from any privileged background, they created the circumstances they are in.

[markiii]

dang2407 said:

^^^^ That is what I said/meant...

The gist of my post was that as a person in a priveleged circumstance, we should understand where they are coming from and not say "F___ them, they should just work harder".

nope I say fk em because they are prats

[Jagmanv12]

The person who has a nice car may work all the hours there are, not smoke, not go out pubbing and clubbing, etc, etc and therefore may have the money to buy a nice car. The "jealous" person may leave work dead on time, not do overtime or work long hours, be pubbing or clubbing every night and therefore may not have the money for a nice car. That is their choice. They possibly cannot afford a nice car because their priorities are different.

[tuscaneer]

a couple of years ago i had a "spitter" .....right on the bonnet, and he waited until i was far enough away from the car that i couldn't do anything about it. i had my little girl with me too which was way out of order.

i would bet my last penny that my working life is WAY harder and more taxing than his. i'm not crying about it because i've put myself through the mire operating my own business rather than getting a 9-5. if i was working for someone else once i'd clocked off i could forget about work until tomorrow. i don't enjoy that luxury and i'm pretty sure 4.30 am starts and tea time finishes would be enough to put most people off but it's what i have decided to put my efforts into.

as someone stated before , if i choose to work all the hours that god sends to live where i want, drive what i want and provide everything i can for my family then surely that's my look out....i look at some guys i know who get all the holidays/ sick days / fking duvet days ..benefits that i could only dream of.... granted, none of them drive a donkey but they too have made their career choices.

i find jealousy a curious thing. i honestly don't feel any at all. i look at the > insert successful names here < of this world and can only give a nod of acknowledgement to their achievements.

[Kyodo]

I don't get the jealousy thing either. I love houses and architecture and never feel envious of some of the wonderful multi-million homes I see. In fact I find them inspirational. For me, the same applies to cars.

I don't expect everybody to bow down when we drive past in the 360 but I do demand a bit of common respect and decency. The chavvy gits who make gestures, cause damage or spit - fk 'em. They probably spend more on rubbish tattoos and drugs than we do on our car so more fool them.

Years ago I knew I'd always struggle to realise my super car dream so I started with Porsche ladder with an £1100 924 > 944T > Boxster S. At that point my goal was to climb to a Mondial or perhaps a 308 (£20k back then) and at that point I would've realised my life dream of owning a Ferrari, regardless of its age or value. I only mention this as I don't think people are necessarily 'locked out' of 'super cars' (or at least nice high-end sports cars). Sure, only very few can afford an Aventador, Pagani and the like but so what, to me a ten grand Boxster or 911 still feels pretty damn special

[boxerTen]

Kyodo said:

I only mention this as I don't think people are necessarily 'locked out' of 'super cars' (or at least nice high-end sports cars). Sure, only very few can afford an Aventador, Pagani and the like but so what, to me a ten grand Boxster or 911 still feels pretty damn special

+1. The notion that there are two separate classes of cars, ordinary ones, and special ones, is nonsense. There is a continuum of cars from mundane at one end to extraordinarily rare and expensive at the other. Lots of people eventually manage to own a house worth well into six figures so it follows lots could afford an 'interesting' car if they chose, and there's plenty to choose from long before a six figure sum is needed.

[davek_964]

boxerTen said:

Kyodo said:

I only mention this as I don't think people are necessarily 'locked out' of 'super cars' (or at least nice high-end sports cars). Sure, only very few can afford an Aventador, Pagani and the like but so what, to me a ten grand Boxster or 911 still feels pretty damn special

+1. The notion that there are two separate classes of cars, ordinary ones, and special ones, is nonsense. There is a continuum of cars from mundane at one end to extraordinarily rare and expensive at the other. Lots of people eventually manage to own a house worth well into six figures so it follows lots could afford an 'interesting' car if they chose, and there's plenty to choose from long before a six figure sum is needed.

Don't really agree with this.

I do completely agree that spiteful behaviour is totally out of order, and I don't understand why some people think that if they can't have, then nobody else should have.

I also agree with an earlier post that people have different priorities, and assuming nice cars means rich is wrong. I consider myself comfortable financially but am by no means rich. However, by Saturday afternoon I will add a 4th prestige model car to the 3 I already own. But, I have no kids, and live in a semi detached house with the noisiest most inconsiderate neighbours you are ever likely to meet. I spend many evenings thinking up new and inventive ways to dispose of them while listening to their kids screaming and running around. At the moment, my toys are more important than where I live.

However, having said all that - there are many people who don't (and never will) earn a significant wage. They cannot afford to buy a house and can't necessarily afford to rent one either - at least not without state help. There are people without qualifications who have made millions, but that is a skill most people do not have. If you have a moderate IQ, limited qualifications and poor confidence or interpersonal skills you may very well be on low or minimum wage for your entire life.

Sure, there are people on reasonable salaries who - if they prioritised differently - could afford more expensive cars. But I doubt there are many of us who own supercars who earn the average wage (£25k?) or less, and I bet most of us have quite reasonable disposable income left each month.

There are many people who will never be able to own a frivolous toy car - be it £10k or £1,000,000. The reason each of us can afford these cars will be different for each individual. But that doesn't mean we should assume anybody could if they wanted to.

I make certain life / priority choices that allow me to have my cars and some other toys. But I still consider myself lucky to be able to have those choices.

[TonyF]

Great comments, I consider myself lucky to have a couple of supercars and other toys but I like to give back and attend a few charity events/shows and take my cars along for people to have a look around or even sit in and have photographs taken in if they want to. I also sign up for charity events for passenger rides and the like, around a circuit and take the cars along to these as well as all the money raised goes to children's charities mainly but it also gives people (who may never own a supercar as mentioned above) the opportunity to go out in one on a closed circuit environment and see what the cars can really do. The feedback I have had from doing these events has been nothing but positive and so satisfying from my point of view. I don't consider myself different to anyone else to have these cars etc it's just personal circumstances.

[TheAnimal]

Jealousy is the most powerful emotion humans feel - and they will kill out of it.

Mans greatest enemy is man himself.

[MOD500]

StottyEvo said:

Last night some bloke outside a pub in Wakefield shouted "That's a rental you fking wker" at me and my pal driving past in his Gallardo He's had the car 3 days, I did wonder how long it would take.

Where abouts in Wakey were you? Enjoy the motor.

[Camlet]

boxerTen said:

Kyodo said:

I only mention this as I don't think people are necessarily 'locked out' of 'super cars' (or at least nice high-end sports cars). Sure, only very few can afford an Aventador, Pagani and the like but so what, to me a ten grand Boxster or 911 still feels pretty damn special

+1. The notion that there are two separate classes of cars, ordinary ones, and special ones, is nonsense. There is a continuum of cars from mundane at one end to extraordinarily rare and expensive at the other. Lots of people eventually manage to own a house worth well into six figures so it follows lots could afford an 'interesting' car if they chose, and there's plenty to choose from long before a six figure sum is needed.

This. I often scan various classifieds looking for my 1980s Alfasud Ti 1.5 Veloce. It's probably long gone to rust heaven but to me that car was every bit as special as my current Italian stable.

[boxerTen]

Camlet said:

boxerTen said:

The notion that there are two separate classes of cars, ordinary ones, and special ones, is nonsense. There is a continuum of cars from mundane at one end to extraordinarily rare and expensive at the other. Lots of people eventually manage to own a house worth well into six figures so it follows lots could afford an 'interesting' car if they chose, and there's plenty to choose from long before a six figure sum is needed.

This. I often scan various classifieds looking for my 1980s Alfasud Ti 1.5 Veloce. It's probably long gone to rust heaven but to me that car was every bit as special as my current Italian stable.

Interesting. I grew up driving my Mum's Alfasud, rather harder than she'd have liked, and have appreciated sparkling engines and good steering/cornering ever since. Their brakes were also an example, but in the negative sense!

[Camlet]

boxerTen said:

Camlet said:

boxerTen said:

The notion that there are two separate classes of cars, ordinary ones, and special ones, is nonsense. There is a continuum of cars from mundane at one end to extraordinarily rare and expensive at the other. Lots of people eventually manage to own a house worth well into six figures so it follows lots could afford an 'interesting' car if they chose, and there's plenty to choose from long before a six figure sum is needed.

This. I often scan various classifieds looking for my 1980s Alfasud Ti 1.5 Veloce. It's probably long gone to rust heaven but to me that car was every bit as special as my current Italian stable.

Interesting. I grew up driving my Mum's Alfasud, rather harder than she'd have liked, and have appreciated sparkling engines and good steering/cornering ever since. Their brakes were also an example, but in the negative sense!

What were you doing to your poor Mum's Sud!? The disc set up from memory worked just fine. I put Wolfrace sonic alloys and P6s on my Ti. Was hopelessly unsuitable for a 95 bhp Sud Ti but it looked the nuts. In those days who cared.

[StottyEvo]

MOD500 said:

StottyEvo said:

Last night some bloke outside a pub in Wakefield shouted "That's a rental you fking wker" at me and my pal driving past in his Gallardo He's had the car 3 days, I did wonder how long it would take.

Where abouts in Wakey were you? Enjoy the motor.

Just before the bull ring with the fountain, it was one of the pubs on the left approaching the top of town.

Unfortunately I'll only be appreciating the car from the passenger seat. For now anyway

[boxerTen]

Camlet said:

What were you doing to your poor Mum's Sud!? The disc set up from memory worked just fine. I put Wolfrace sonic alloys and P6s on my Ti. Was hopelessly unsuitable for a 95 bhp Sud Ti but it looked the nuts. In those days who cared.

Brakes were always needing adjusting, car pulling this way or that under braking. I couldn't convince my Dad to buy the 95 hp Veloce (Mum wanted 4 doors) so it was only 85 hp for us. Tried a couple of times to see 100 mph but never quite managed it, but was great to punt down the country roads where we lived.

[Camlet]

boxerTen said:

Camlet said:

What were you doing to your poor Mum's Sud!? The disc set up from memory worked just fine. I put Wolfrace sonic alloys and P6s on my Ti. Was hopelessly unsuitable for a 95 bhp Sud Ti but it looked the nuts. In those days who cared.

Brakes were always needing adjusting, car pulling this way or that under braking. I couldn't convince my Dad to buy the 95 hp Veloce (Mum wanted 4 doors) so it was only 85 hp for us. Tried a couple of times to see 100 mph but never quite managed it, but was great to punt down the country roads where we lived.

The 85bhp Ti was much the better looking version, my first Sud was a 1.3 Super. Terrific cars, badly built. Funny you talking about breaking 100, I remember this too, and how our current little Italian motors can crack it in under 7 seconds Per my original point though I'd have my old Sud Ti next to its massively more powerful cousin any day.

[AmoCS]