How much??!!!!!

[WCZ]

Bo_apex said:

agree this price is a bit punchy, currently.
However, there are less than 400 still around worldwide, and it's reached classic status.
Far less "common" than an F40

• more than 400

[AMDB9]

What are the chances of something like this being Mileage Corrected?! Who on earth would own an enzo and only drive it 12 miles in a year - Blimey!

[flemke]

erics said:

2.125 millions for a car you can never drive (would be worth half that after the first 1k miles).

And a poor gearbox.

Truly great cars and those achieving mega numbers tend (at least) to be great drives).

That is prob a good drive but not a great one.

Walter Rohrl said, "When I first saw an Enzo in front of me, I thought they had done a good job, but when I looked at it more closely, I saw that it was a toy."

[lauda]

flemke said:

Walter Rohrl said, "When I first saw an Enzo in front of me, I thought they had done a good job, but when I looked at it more closely, I saw that it was a toy."

I'm guessing that Rohrl's comments were in relation to quality and fit and finish rather than driving experience?

Flemke, I know in the past that you've commented on what you perceive to be quality issues with Ferrari's products. I'm interested to know where you see the deficiencies relative to Porsche and McLaren as I've read many magazine and online articles that specifically reference the high quality of modern Ferraris.

Is it more a case that their cars now are relatively higher quality than they were rather than being absolutely a thing of quality? Or are you just super-picky?

[flemke]

lauda said:

flemke said:

Walter Rohrl said, "When I first saw an Enzo in front of me, I thought they had done a good job, but when I looked at it more closely, I saw that it was a toy."

I'm guessing that Rohrl's comments were in relation to quality and fit and finish rather than driving experience?

Flemke, I know in the past that you've commented on what you perceive to be quality issues with Ferrari's products. I'm interested to know where you see the deficiencies relative to Porsche and McLaren as I've read many magazine and online articles that specifically reference the high quality of modern Ferraris.

Is it more a case that their cars now are relatively higher quality than they were rather than being absolutely a thing of quality? Or are you just super-picky?

I was going to comment based on my own observations, including of a friend's LaF, the build quality of which is an increment below the P1's and two increments below the 918's.
Rather than relating my own thoughts, however, I'll just let a post from today on another forum by another PHer address the question:

gko88 said:

Had a 599 for a few years. Great presence and when you find a suitably wide and quiet road the performance is fantastic, but that's less than 5% of the time. For long european road trips the luggage space was really quite rubbish- I found and do find that I could fit as much stuff in my 430 spider and now my 458 spider. The car turned into a headache in the end as simply the build quality wasn't up to scratch. Could just have been unlucky, but by the end I was happy to part company with it. Electrical gremlins meant the car spent an interminable amount of time (and money) in servicing to try and fix the same problems over and over again (many magically just as the extended warranty period ended). The build quality, fit and finish of the Ferraris starting from the 458 is a lot higher in my opinion. I would not buy a used 599 without a pretty comprehensive aftersales warranty after my experience if I had a spare 100k.

[BelfastBoy]

I follow Romans International on Facebook. Last night they posted that the Enzo has been sold, so there you go.

[Slickhillsy]

lauda said:

flemke said:

Walter Rohrl said, "When I first saw an Enzo in front of me, I thought they had done a good job, but when I looked at it more closely, I saw that it was a toy."

I'm guessing that Rohrl's comments were in relation to quality and fit and finish rather than driving experience?

Flemke, I know in the past that you've commented on what you perceive to be quality issues with Ferrari's products. I'm interested to know where you see the deficiencies relative to Porsche and McLaren as I've read many magazine and online articles that specifically reference the high quality of modern Ferraris.

Is it more a case that their cars now are relatively higher quality than they were rather than being absolutely a thing of quality? Or are you just super-picky?

I think Flemke must be remarking to the bullet proof engines they (have always) thrown in 911's - these things just go on and on without issue and... oh. Sorry. No they don't do they!

[FalconWood]

flemke said:

lauda said:

flemke said:

Walter Rohrl said, "When I first saw an Enzo in front of me, I thought they had done a good job, but when I looked at it more closely, I saw that it was a toy."

I'm guessing that Rohrl's comments were in relation to quality and fit and finish rather than driving experience?

Flemke, I know in the past that you've commented on what you perceive to be quality issues with Ferrari's products. I'm interested to know where you see the deficiencies relative to Porsche and McLaren as I've read many magazine and online articles that specifically reference the high quality of modern Ferraris.

Is it more a case that their cars now are relatively higher quality than they were rather than being absolutely a thing of quality? Or are you just super-picky?

I was going to comment based on my own observations, including of a friend's LaF, the build quality of which is an increment below the P1's and two increments below the 918's.
Rather than relating my own thoughts, however, I'll just let a post from today on another forum by another PHer address the question:

gko88 said:

Had a 599 for a few years. Great presence and when you find a suitably wide and quiet road the performance is fantastic, but that's less than 5% of the time. For long european road trips the luggage space was really quite rubbish- I found and do find that I could fit as much stuff in my 430 spider and now my 458 spider. The car turned into a headache in the end as simply the build quality wasn't up to scratch. Could just have been unlucky, but by the end I was happy to part company with it. Electrical gremlins meant the car spent an interminable amount of time (and money) in servicing to try and fix the same problems over and over again (many magically just as the extended warranty period ended). The build quality, fit and finish of the Ferraris starting from the 458 is a lot higher in my opinion. I would not buy a used 599 without a pretty comprehensive aftersales warranty after my experience if I had a spare 100k.

I have a 599 and have only have positive comments on the build quality in my experience. Comments re the boot don't cut with me - if you want boot space then buy a saloon!!! I also have a 16M and that has some bad quality issues - the AirCo button never releases, the volume button is the wrong way round, and the soft top hood has a habit of bending stay bars when you close it down. That said it had great storage capacity taking two sets of travel clubs and soft bags for two when my brother and I travelled to Spain in a few years ago!!

[flemke]

FalconWood said:

flemke said:

lauda said:

flemke said:

Walter Rohrl said, "When I first saw an Enzo in front of me, I thought they had done a good job, but when I looked at it more closely, I saw that it was a toy."

I'm guessing that Rohrl's comments were in relation to quality and fit and finish rather than driving experience?

Flemke, I know in the past that you've commented on what you perceive to be quality issues with Ferrari's products. I'm interested to know where you see the deficiencies relative to Porsche and McLaren as I've read many magazine and online articles that specifically reference the high quality of modern Ferraris.

Is it more a case that their cars now are relatively higher quality than they were rather than being absolutely a thing of quality? Or are you just super-picky?

I was going to comment based on my own observations, including of a friend's LaF, the build quality of which is an increment below the P1's and two increments below the 918's.
Rather than relating my own thoughts, however, I'll just let a post from today on another forum by another PHer address the question:

gko88 said:

Had a 599 for a few years. Great presence and when you find a suitably wide and quiet road the performance is fantastic, but that's less than 5% of the time. For long european road trips the luggage space was really quite rubbish- I found and do find that I could fit as much stuff in my 430 spider and now my 458 spider. The car turned into a headache in the end as simply the build quality wasn't up to scratch. Could just have been unlucky, but by the end I was happy to part company with it. Electrical gremlins meant the car spent an interminable amount of time (and money) in servicing to try and fix the same problems over and over again (many magically just as the extended warranty period ended). The build quality, fit and finish of the Ferraris starting from the 458 is a lot higher in my opinion. I would not buy a used 599 without a pretty comprehensive aftersales warranty after my experience if I had a spare 100k.

I have a 599 and have only have positive comments on the build quality in my experience. Comments re the boot don't cut with me - if you want boot space then buy a saloon!!! I also have a 16M and that has some bad quality issues - the AirCo button never releases, the volume button is the wrong way round, and the soft top hood has a habit of bending stay bars when you close it down. That said it had great storage capacity taking two sets of travel clubs and soft bags for two when my brother and I travelled to Spain in a few years ago!!

I shall tell that to my friend whose LaFerrari had its weather stripping peeling off after the first 500 miles.

[WCZ]

the paint/coatings on ferraris have always been unacceptable imo
many cars go through a extensive detail after being delivered to owners

[paddy328]

Yes they do. New ferraris look terrible from the factory, which is why i get so many people wanting me to detail them prior to picking them up.

Wasn't there a quote along the lines of " with a ferrari, you buy the engine and the rest comes free" Ferrari are probably the worst in terms of paint finish or issues in the paint, but mclaren and Aston aren't far behind. It seems that its when they hand finish a car at the factory, you get the issues.

Ive done a few 918"s now too and they aren't very good when it comes to paint finish, hence why i have to spend a couple of days on each one. The rest of the car is spot on however.

[Ferruccio]

paddy328 said:

New ferraris look terrible from the factory.

"terrible"???