How much??!!!!!
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erics said:
2.125 millions for a car you can never drive (would be worth half that after the first 1k miles).
And a poor gearbox.
Truly great cars and those achieving mega numbers tend (at least) to be great drives).
That is prob a good drive but not a great one.
Walter Rohrl said, "When I first saw an Enzo in front of me, I thought they had done a good job, but when I looked at it more closely, I saw that it was a toy."And a poor gearbox.
Truly great cars and those achieving mega numbers tend (at least) to be great drives).
That is prob a good drive but not a great one.
flemke said:
Walter Rohrl said, "When I first saw an Enzo in front of me, I thought they had done a good job, but when I looked at it more closely, I saw that it was a toy."
I'm guessing that Rohrl's comments were in relation to quality and fit and finish rather than driving experience? Flemke, I know in the past that you've commented on what you perceive to be quality issues with Ferrari's products. I'm interested to know where you see the deficiencies relative to Porsche and McLaren as I've read many magazine and online articles that specifically reference the high quality of modern Ferraris.
Is it more a case that their cars now are relatively higher quality than they were rather than being absolutely a thing of quality? Or are you just super-picky?
lauda said:
flemke said:
Walter Rohrl said, "When I first saw an Enzo in front of me, I thought they had done a good job, but when I looked at it more closely, I saw that it was a toy."
I'm guessing that Rohrl's comments were in relation to quality and fit and finish rather than driving experience? Flemke, I know in the past that you've commented on what you perceive to be quality issues with Ferrari's products. I'm interested to know where you see the deficiencies relative to Porsche and McLaren as I've read many magazine and online articles that specifically reference the high quality of modern Ferraris.
Is it more a case that their cars now are relatively higher quality than they were rather than being absolutely a thing of quality? Or are you just super-picky?
Rather than relating my own thoughts, however, I'll just let a post from today on another forum by another PHer address the question:
gko88 said:
Had a 599 for a few years. Great presence and when you find a suitably wide and quiet road the performance is fantastic, but that's less than 5% of the time. For long european road trips the luggage space was really quite rubbish- I found and do find that I could fit as much stuff in my 430 spider and now my 458 spider. The car turned into a headache in the end as simply the build quality wasn't up to scratch. Could just have been unlucky, but by the end I was happy to part company with it. Electrical gremlins meant the car spent an interminable amount of time (and money) in servicing to try and fix the same problems over and over again (many magically just as the extended warranty period ended). The build quality, fit and finish of the Ferraris starting from the 458 is a lot higher in my opinion. I would not buy a used 599 without a pretty comprehensive aftersales warranty after my experience if I had a spare 100k.
lauda said:
flemke said:
Walter Rohrl said, "When I first saw an Enzo in front of me, I thought they had done a good job, but when I looked at it more closely, I saw that it was a toy."
I'm guessing that Rohrl's comments were in relation to quality and fit and finish rather than driving experience? Flemke, I know in the past that you've commented on what you perceive to be quality issues with Ferrari's products. I'm interested to know where you see the deficiencies relative to Porsche and McLaren as I've read many magazine and online articles that specifically reference the high quality of modern Ferraris.
Is it more a case that their cars now are relatively higher quality than they were rather than being absolutely a thing of quality? Or are you just super-picky?
flemke said:
lauda said:
flemke said:
Walter Rohrl said, "When I first saw an Enzo in front of me, I thought they had done a good job, but when I looked at it more closely, I saw that it was a toy."
I'm guessing that Rohrl's comments were in relation to quality and fit and finish rather than driving experience? Flemke, I know in the past that you've commented on what you perceive to be quality issues with Ferrari's products. I'm interested to know where you see the deficiencies relative to Porsche and McLaren as I've read many magazine and online articles that specifically reference the high quality of modern Ferraris.
Is it more a case that their cars now are relatively higher quality than they were rather than being absolutely a thing of quality? Or are you just super-picky?
Rather than relating my own thoughts, however, I'll just let a post from today on another forum by another PHer address the question:
gko88 said:
Had a 599 for a few years. Great presence and when you find a suitably wide and quiet road the performance is fantastic, but that's less than 5% of the time. For long european road trips the luggage space was really quite rubbish- I found and do find that I could fit as much stuff in my 430 spider and now my 458 spider. The car turned into a headache in the end as simply the build quality wasn't up to scratch. Could just have been unlucky, but by the end I was happy to part company with it. Electrical gremlins meant the car spent an interminable amount of time (and money) in servicing to try and fix the same problems over and over again (many magically just as the extended warranty period ended). The build quality, fit and finish of the Ferraris starting from the 458 is a lot higher in my opinion. I would not buy a used 599 without a pretty comprehensive aftersales warranty after my experience if I had a spare 100k.
FalconWood said:
flemke said:
lauda said:
flemke said:
Walter Rohrl said, "When I first saw an Enzo in front of me, I thought they had done a good job, but when I looked at it more closely, I saw that it was a toy."
I'm guessing that Rohrl's comments were in relation to quality and fit and finish rather than driving experience? Flemke, I know in the past that you've commented on what you perceive to be quality issues with Ferrari's products. I'm interested to know where you see the deficiencies relative to Porsche and McLaren as I've read many magazine and online articles that specifically reference the high quality of modern Ferraris.
Is it more a case that their cars now are relatively higher quality than they were rather than being absolutely a thing of quality? Or are you just super-picky?
Rather than relating my own thoughts, however, I'll just let a post from today on another forum by another PHer address the question:
gko88 said:
Had a 599 for a few years. Great presence and when you find a suitably wide and quiet road the performance is fantastic, but that's less than 5% of the time. For long european road trips the luggage space was really quite rubbish- I found and do find that I could fit as much stuff in my 430 spider and now my 458 spider. The car turned into a headache in the end as simply the build quality wasn't up to scratch. Could just have been unlucky, but by the end I was happy to part company with it. Electrical gremlins meant the car spent an interminable amount of time (and money) in servicing to try and fix the same problems over and over again (many magically just as the extended warranty period ended). The build quality, fit and finish of the Ferraris starting from the 458 is a lot higher in my opinion. I would not buy a used 599 without a pretty comprehensive aftersales warranty after my experience if I had a spare 100k.
Yes they do. New ferraris look terrible from the factory, which is why i get so many people wanting me to detail them prior to picking them up.
Wasn't there a quote along the lines of " with a ferrari, you buy the engine and the rest comes free" Ferrari are probably the worst in terms of paint finish or issues in the paint, but mclaren and Aston aren't far behind. It seems that its when they hand finish a car at the factory, you get the issues.
Ive done a few 918"s now too and they aren't very good when it comes to paint finish, hence why i have to spend a couple of days on each one. The rest of the car is spot on however.
Wasn't there a quote along the lines of " with a ferrari, you buy the engine and the rest comes free" Ferrari are probably the worst in terms of paint finish or issues in the paint, but mclaren and Aston aren't far behind. It seems that its when they hand finish a car at the factory, you get the issues.
Ive done a few 918"s now too and they aren't very good when it comes to paint finish, hence why i have to spend a couple of days on each one. The rest of the car is spot on however.
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