Audi R8 V10 Plus
Discussion
A 458 (or 488) has very unique styling, like other supercars. Even in muted colours they stand out both in motion and when parked. That, to me, is an intrinsic property of a supercar. It's not all about speed - a 360 would in all probability have difficulty shaking any modern hot hatch, does that mean it's not a supercar? (Hint: no)
Playing Top Trumps misses the point and dismisses the emotionality of it.
Playing Top Trumps misses the point and dismisses the emotionality of it.
Emonda03 said:
Didn't take long, been out in an R8...
Firstly quite surprised that it feels smaller inside than a 458/488, really thought with it been german it would have more interior space, really does feel quite small. Annoyingly there is a bench sticks out behind the seats that seems to rob quite a bit of rear movement in the seat, so being tall I found that I had to have the seat backrest quite upright to allow legroom, or incline it more & have less legroom..hmm never thought I would find more space in an Italian 2 seater than a german one..but anyway not enough of a problem to be an issue. Car feels nice inside, do think again it feels more modern than Ferrari's, quite futuristic, again a bit tight, and the windscreen is very small letterbox view..seems more lambo than audi. Love the B&O sound, ventilation buttons etc are nice , feel good & look great, just a lovely quality feel to the interior, seats comfy too.
Virtual dash a bit glary , had part of the drive in the dark ,and couldn't dim it enough for my liking, even at the dimmest I found it a bit bright & distracting, lots of buttony things to have to get used to to change about all the stuff on the screen etc...but again felt pretty futuristic in a good way.
Engine sound ,pretty impressive, just the right amount for me, you can see it as a daily , smooth & refined in comfort & then in dynamic with loud exhaust etc has some lovely pops & bangs & a nice screech,..yep the sound is good for me
Now the surprise was it didn't feel that fast, the 458 felt faster..maybe its just the comfort inside or something that makes it feel more sedate, I think I need another longer drive in one, bit of a disappointment really performance wise, but it was greasy roads etc so never really gave it full beans, so need another go in the dry to judge it better etc
Styling...hmmm not loving it, but hot hating it either, positves are it looks bang upto date, fururistic, downside, its a bit pudgy , stubby in some ways
I car I could not be so worried about leaving out etc, and would use all year round , unlike the F cars which I have more pampered & used as A to A cars....Badge doesn't bother me, in fact I feel a lot more comfortable with the audi /r8 owner than I do being a Ferrari owner, so that's a positive.
Jury is out, will mull , maybe have another drive...impressed overall though , it certainly could be my everyday supercar
Nice summary, have you thought about trying something else, Porche 911 Turbo S, or the very lovely McLaren 570s / GT?Firstly quite surprised that it feels smaller inside than a 458/488, really thought with it been german it would have more interior space, really does feel quite small. Annoyingly there is a bench sticks out behind the seats that seems to rob quite a bit of rear movement in the seat, so being tall I found that I had to have the seat backrest quite upright to allow legroom, or incline it more & have less legroom..hmm never thought I would find more space in an Italian 2 seater than a german one..but anyway not enough of a problem to be an issue. Car feels nice inside, do think again it feels more modern than Ferrari's, quite futuristic, again a bit tight, and the windscreen is very small letterbox view..seems more lambo than audi. Love the B&O sound, ventilation buttons etc are nice , feel good & look great, just a lovely quality feel to the interior, seats comfy too.
Virtual dash a bit glary , had part of the drive in the dark ,and couldn't dim it enough for my liking, even at the dimmest I found it a bit bright & distracting, lots of buttony things to have to get used to to change about all the stuff on the screen etc...but again felt pretty futuristic in a good way.
Engine sound ,pretty impressive, just the right amount for me, you can see it as a daily , smooth & refined in comfort & then in dynamic with loud exhaust etc has some lovely pops & bangs & a nice screech,..yep the sound is good for me
Now the surprise was it didn't feel that fast, the 458 felt faster..maybe its just the comfort inside or something that makes it feel more sedate, I think I need another longer drive in one, bit of a disappointment really performance wise, but it was greasy roads etc so never really gave it full beans, so need another go in the dry to judge it better etc
Styling...hmmm not loving it, but hot hating it either, positves are it looks bang upto date, fururistic, downside, its a bit pudgy , stubby in some ways
I car I could not be so worried about leaving out etc, and would use all year round , unlike the F cars which I have more pampered & used as A to A cars....Badge doesn't bother me, in fact I feel a lot more comfortable with the audi /r8 owner than I do being a Ferrari owner, so that's a positive.
Jury is out, will mull , maybe have another drive...impressed overall though , it certainly could be my everyday supercar
Edited by Emonda03 on Friday 3rd February 11:03
Porsches don't do it for me, well not the turbo's anyway, just not enough sound there, they feel so 'bland' , good & fast, but like a surgical instrument, too refinded & lacking character. The R8 is on a different level to the Porsche turbo , mainly due to the engine & sound of it. The one Porsche I have considered is the GT3 RS, but I really cannot get on with huge stuck on rear spoilers, just not for me at all. Now the 911 R is fantastic, basically GT3 RS without the spoiler, but no way at the prices they are at..£400k for a £130k car, madness
Yep the McLaren thing Is something to look at the 570 etc, also the 650s spider is something I keep toying with , nice with the top down etc ..but again the styling just does not wow me...maybe there in is my problem, when I got my first 458, I absolutely adored the look of the thing ,nothing came close, now I have got used to it , and as I say, I view it now as a bit dated, I struggle to see anything that takes me back to that kind of impact it had on me
ho hum....still the R8 is top of the list for me at the moment I think, 650S second...
mind you maybe just forget it all and buy myself a triumph bobber motorbike..now that's a cool looking thing!!
Yep the McLaren thing Is something to look at the 570 etc, also the 650s spider is something I keep toying with , nice with the top down etc ..but again the styling just does not wow me...maybe there in is my problem, when I got my first 458, I absolutely adored the look of the thing ,nothing came close, now I have got used to it , and as I say, I view it now as a bit dated, I struggle to see anything that takes me back to that kind of impact it had on me
ho hum....still the R8 is top of the list for me at the moment I think, 650S second...
mind you maybe just forget it all and buy myself a triumph bobber motorbike..now that's a cool looking thing!!
Emonda03 said:
Porsches don't do it for me, well not the turbo's anyway, just not enough sound there, they feel so 'bland' , good & fast, but like a surgical instrument, too refinded & lacking character. The R8 is on a different level to the Porsche turbo , mainly due to the engine & sound of it. The one Porsche I have considered is the GT3 RS, but I really cannot get on with huge stuck on rear spoilers, just not for me at all. Now the 911 R is fantastic, basically GT3 RS without the spoiler, but no way at the prices they are at..£400k for a £130k car, madness
Yep the McLaren thing Is something to look at the 570 etc, also the 650s spider is something I keep toying with , nice with the top down etc ..but again the styling just does not wow me...maybe there in is my problem, when I got my first 458, I absolutely adored the look of the thing ,nothing came close, now I have got used to it , and as I say, I view it now as a bit dated, I struggle to see anything that takes me back to that kind of impact it had on me
ho hum....still the R8 is top of the list for me at the moment I think, 650S second...
mind you maybe just forget it all and buy myself a triumph bobber motorbike..now that's a cool looking thing!!
Get a GT3RS & stick a carbon duck tail on it Yep the McLaren thing Is something to look at the 570 etc, also the 650s spider is something I keep toying with , nice with the top down etc ..but again the styling just does not wow me...maybe there in is my problem, when I got my first 458, I absolutely adored the look of the thing ,nothing came close, now I have got used to it , and as I say, I view it now as a bit dated, I struggle to see anything that takes me back to that kind of impact it had on me
ho hum....still the R8 is top of the list for me at the moment I think, 650S second...
mind you maybe just forget it all and buy myself a triumph bobber motorbike..now that's a cool looking thing!!
I hope I never get bored of Ferrari is my first point so you know where I'm coming from!
I've driven a v10 new r8
Agree with many comments about civilised and modern interior although again quality lacking !!! Why ? Things like sun visors were cheap plastic not leather like Ferrari. That just annoys me on a 145k car
It simply does not look special enough and by the way shape came out in 2007 ! It's old too !
Engine noise good but I would have an f12 over it in a heart beat with a v12
No bench behind the seat to put my jacket again very annoying !
If your fed up with Ferrari or won't stretch to an f12 then I would go for the MAC 570
I was very impressed with it all round apart from engine noise which is top priority to me but even I would bend that rule because unless you go f12 or aventador etc you won't be getting a great noise, we lost that with v8s when the 355 was gone
I've driven a v10 new r8
Agree with many comments about civilised and modern interior although again quality lacking !!! Why ? Things like sun visors were cheap plastic not leather like Ferrari. That just annoys me on a 145k car
It simply does not look special enough and by the way shape came out in 2007 ! It's old too !
Engine noise good but I would have an f12 over it in a heart beat with a v12
No bench behind the seat to put my jacket again very annoying !
If your fed up with Ferrari or won't stretch to an f12 then I would go for the MAC 570
I was very impressed with it all round apart from engine noise which is top priority to me but even I would bend that rule because unless you go f12 or aventador etc you won't be getting a great noise, we lost that with v8s when the 355 was gone
An R8 is analogous to a Porsche 911 Turbo really. Neither are supercars (in my humble opinion), but they are very fast & accomplished cars.
Porsche at least have the good sense not to cannibalise their own market by bringing out a Cayman that has comparable performance figures to their halo models.
I've got no ego at all but if I was spending £120k+ on a car I'd want it to be something rather special. If it happened to be perfectly practical for commuting (e.g. like a 458) then that's a bonus, but that wouldn't be my primary consideration.
Porsche at least have the good sense not to cannibalise their own market by bringing out a Cayman that has comparable performance figures to their halo models.
I've got no ego at all but if I was spending £120k+ on a car I'd want it to be something rather special. If it happened to be perfectly practical for commuting (e.g. like a 458) then that's a bonus, but that wouldn't be my primary consideration.
Not sure about that reading the roadtests etc autocar rates the 911 GT3 RS 1st, speciale 2nd, 650s 3rd...and as I said it does get pretty stellar reviews from all , Evo/chris Harris/top gear etc etc...so I do think the 'special' porsches are in that league very much so
McLaren just doesn't really do it for me styling wise & the logo always reminds me of star trek , but heyho, the one that does float by boat is the 675 LT...but too much £££ for me, same with the speciale, bit too much
McLaren just doesn't really do it for me styling wise & the logo always reminds me of star trek , but heyho, the one that does float by boat is the 675 LT...but too much £££ for me, same with the speciale, bit too much
Totally perplexed by the GT3 RS hype. Mate's got an orange one, and it is not especially fast, not especially sonorous, and few members of the general public give it a second glance. The steering is crisp and turn-in is sharp, but it's not any different or better than a lightweight Ferrari, Renaultsport or whatever. As others have said, it may be the "boy band / girl group" factor -- Porsche is the accessible girl / boy next door.
Emonda03 said:
Not sure about that reading the roadtests etc autocar rates the 911 GT3 RS 1st, speciale 2nd, 650s 3rd...and as I said it does get pretty stellar reviews from all , Evo/chris Harris/top gear etc etc...so I do think the 'special' porsches are in that league very much so
McLaren just doesn't really do it for me styling wise & the logo always reminds me of star trek , but heyho, the one that does float by boat is the 675 LT...but too much £££ for me, same with the speciale, bit too much
The 991 GT3 RS does feel like a special car to me. Never been a great Porsche fan tbh and even though I've owned a couple of GT3's previously I have never particularly bonded with them. Might be the PDK box and extra power that swings it, not sure but there's certainly something that sets it apart. Only down side is the daft premiums, you'll struggle to find one this side of 200k.McLaren just doesn't really do it for me styling wise & the logo always reminds me of star trek , but heyho, the one that does float by boat is the 675 LT...but too much £££ for me, same with the speciale, bit too much
Emonda03 said:
Not sure about that reading the roadtests etc autocar rates the 911 GT3 RS 1st, speciale 2nd, 650s 3rd...and as I said it does get pretty stellar reviews from all , Evo/chris Harris/top gear etc etc...so I do think the 'special' porsches are in that league very much so
McLaren just doesn't really do it for me styling wise & the logo always reminds me of star trek , but heyho, the one that does float by boat is the 675 LT...but too much £££ for me, same with the speciale, bit too much
Media hype and not real world driving experiences. Its all very exciteable and great fun going sideways and drifting etc... but who does that on public roads nowadays.McLaren just doesn't really do it for me styling wise & the logo always reminds me of star trek , but heyho, the one that does float by boat is the 675 LT...but too much £££ for me, same with the speciale, bit too much
If you want a track car buy a proper track car IMHO.
I would feel such a tool sat at traffic lights with race harnesses, scaffolding in the back with an over the top spoiler on the boot lid but then again I'm over 30 now.
Everyone to their own but as much as I love cars seeing a grown man in one of these cars on the public road always makes me laugh.
I think some of the general public may have even stronger views of such a car. Personally I prefer people to be wowed and trip over their tongues as I drive past roof down in a classy car
hmm yes I do know where you are coming from Mr Lambo, but I suppose its one of those car things, those car buffs that know an RS will appreciate the abilities etc and why one would chose to drive one, general public I should imagine do indeed pretty much laugh at the rear stuck on Halfords jobby...rest of the car looks nice, think the vents over the front wings & the stance etc, but yes the rear spoiler, not so sure I could put up with it, shame you cannot just unbolt it and run without it, might end up in a hedge or something!
we shall see will make my views after the drive...I always felt quite a wally in the F cars t be honest, a bit too much 'look at me' each to their own
think your all talking me back into a 458/488 at this rate
we shall see will make my views after the drive...I always felt quite a wally in the F cars t be honest, a bit too much 'look at me' each to their own
think your all talking me back into a 458/488 at this rate
have an r8 v10 plus 65 plate, just sold a huracan.
no difference other than the lambo has a more aggressive gearbox and different shifter's . r8 is subtle in standard mode but in race/huracan mode it has 3 settings which reduces traction control and basically turns powertrain into a huracan.
I wouldn't have the lambo in front of a r8 v10 plus other than the performante of which im on the list for.
You cant compare to 458, different car. any knob who says the new r8 is not a supercar dont know what there talking about.
I also own porsches/Ferrari and amg merc so think best placed to have a sensible opinion.
For 120k the r8 is a monster of a car, a great daily driver which obliterate most roads in any condition with sensible fuel consumption and running cost. also has a much wider option list than lambo with carbon, laser lights etc.
have had 991 turbos and for drama and theater it dont come close to R8 IMO
no difference other than the lambo has a more aggressive gearbox and different shifter's . r8 is subtle in standard mode but in race/huracan mode it has 3 settings which reduces traction control and basically turns powertrain into a huracan.
I wouldn't have the lambo in front of a r8 v10 plus other than the performante of which im on the list for.
You cant compare to 458, different car. any knob who says the new r8 is not a supercar dont know what there talking about.
I also own porsches/Ferrari and amg merc so think best placed to have a sensible opinion.
For 120k the r8 is a monster of a car, a great daily driver which obliterate most roads in any condition with sensible fuel consumption and running cost. also has a much wider option list than lambo with carbon, laser lights etc.
have had 991 turbos and for drama and theater it dont come close to R8 IMO
R8 V10 plus is a very capable car but at the end of the day its an Audi and will depreciate heavily.
Go large or go home IMHO - I would spend the extra and have a Lamborghini Huracan over the audi all day long and still probably be cheaper to own.
In my experience, just like houses, you are best to have the bottom of the run of the higher brand Lambo than the top run of the lower brand Audi.
As a daily driver I expect the audi is easier to live with and merge in with normal cars. At least when you park at the supermarket you wont need to worry about coming back to a crowd of people taking photo's of your car but you will get fed up of "nice audi mate" being said. Been there and done that and it cost me a fortune as well
Go large or go home IMHO - I would spend the extra and have a Lamborghini Huracan over the audi all day long and still probably be cheaper to own.
In my experience, just like houses, you are best to have the bottom of the run of the higher brand Lambo than the top run of the lower brand Audi.
As a daily driver I expect the audi is easier to live with and merge in with normal cars. At least when you park at the supermarket you wont need to worry about coming back to a crowd of people taking photo's of your car but you will get fed up of "nice audi mate" being said. Been there and done that and it cost me a fortune as well
motheatenhound said:
have an r8 v10 plus 65 plate, just sold a huracan.
no difference other than the lambo has a more aggressive gearbox and different shifter's . r8 is subtle in standard mode but in race/huracan mode it has 3 settings which reduces traction control and basically turns powertrain into a huracan.
I wouldn't have the lambo in front of a r8 v10 plus other than the performante of which im on the list for.
You cant compare to 458, different car. any knob who says the new r8 is not a supercar dont know what there talking about.
I also own porsches/Ferrari and amg merc so think best placed to have a sensible opinion.
For 120k the r8 is a monster of a car, a great daily driver which obliterate most roads in any condition with sensible fuel consumption and running cost. also has a much wider option list than lambo with carbon, laser lights etc.
have had 991 turbos and for drama and theater it dont come close to R8 IMO
Without those side intakes, and particularly from that angle, you'd be hard pushed not to mistake that at first glance for a Mk3 TT RS...no difference other than the lambo has a more aggressive gearbox and different shifter's . r8 is subtle in standard mode but in race/huracan mode it has 3 settings which reduces traction control and basically turns powertrain into a huracan.
I wouldn't have the lambo in front of a r8 v10 plus other than the performante of which im on the list for.
You cant compare to 458, different car. any knob who says the new r8 is not a supercar dont know what there talking about.
I also own porsches/Ferrari and amg merc so think best placed to have a sensible opinion.
For 120k the r8 is a monster of a car, a great daily driver which obliterate most roads in any condition with sensible fuel consumption and running cost. also has a much wider option list than lambo with carbon, laser lights etc.
have had 991 turbos and for drama and theater it dont come close to R8 IMO
They even share the same wing mirrors.
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