FERRARI 4XX Mansory Siracusa No1

[TSCfree]

Beefmeister said:

Yipper said:

Sounds a bit prejudiced?

The 4XX takes the stock 488 and makes it faster, lighter and nimbler. It is quicker to 60mph and its top speed is higher. Mansory has gone another level higher than Ferrari.

Prejudiced? Damn right I am.

Prejudiced for thinking that maybe, just maybe Ferrari might have more expertise and handling knowledge to design a better car than a bunch of amateurs who slap on a load of carbon and call it 'lighter'?

'Another level higher' - please do quantify that statement. So it's quicker, big whoop. I seriously doubt it handles as well if it is lowered on bigger wheels.

There are some tuning companies out there who can improve a performance car, but Mansory are all about looks first.

Have you driven it? If not I'd say you're just as prejudiced for assuming I'm wrong.

I'd argue it's never going to be driven anywhere near the level that minute changes in aerodynamics will be felt.....probably

[WCZ]

Beefmeister said:

No, because they have been developed by Ferrari's team of incredibly talented aerodynamics experts so that every scoop, winglet and bulge has a purpose.

This is aesthetic, made to look like them, and has probably had very little wind tunnel work therefore is utterly ste.

Unless someone wants to show me the aero work on this, in which case I'll eat my words.

I appreciate what you're saying but everyone's objections are purely how it looks and I'd dispute that 'style by function' gives any car a pass over aesthetic judgment.

[MDL111]

In fairness Ferrari also builds its cars to a budget and replacing panels with carbon thereby hopefully making it lighter, should have a positive effect overall. Of course counteracting that by putting huge (likely heavy) rims with rubber band tyres on the car is likely not beneficial. The aero stuff is in all likelihood not developed with performance in mind but rather purely for show

Shame that Mansory can't reengineer the car with a carbon tub .... just kidding

Edit: waiting for Rambo now that the two magic words have been written

[jonby]

It's actually really simple

For some people, buying a supercar is about having something loud (in every sense of the word), rare and that other people know/perceive is expensive

Mansory appeal to that market because compared to the donor vehicles, their cars are louder (again in every sense), rarer and are known/perceived by many to be more expensive

The reason they appeal so much to Arabs is that in some parts of the UAE, etc, turning up to an event in a stock Ferrari 488 would turn no more heads than turning up to a house in Manchester in a Volvo estate. Same goes for turning up outside Harrods in a 488 during silly season

For such buyers, firms like Mansory have to exist, to ensure they can have a car that does turn heads

I don't like the look of their products (which of course is subjective). I suspect anyone who thinks they will perform better in any measurable way is deluded but that doesn't actually matter, because any increased performance is only for bragging rights, same as every other aspect of the car

I'm glad we live in a free world where buyers are free to choose. I'm also glad that I don't see these in the flesh very often aside from London in the summer and at Geneva, where they at least pull people away from the stands I'm interested in so make them a little less crowded

[Kyodo]

I've seen it in the flesh. Some details look quite good, some not so. I did think at the time that if a total chav won the lottery, climbed out of his max power hatchback and bought his first Ferrari, it'd possibly look like this.

[FFM]

TSCfree said:

Not as good as the Mansory Aventador, but certainly not terrible. In fact there's not much difference between this and the AM GT8 IMHO.

blasphemy...how you can compare an after-market tuner with Aston Martin? Maybe, what you really meant is the fact that there isn't much difference between those buying a Mansory Siracusa (awful name for a car, to start with) and those tastelessly customise/specify a brand new Ferrari/Lambo/Aston because the manufacturer let you do so.

But, since you specifically compared the cars, rather than the buyers, next time, if I were in your shoes, I'd do a bit more research before writing non-sense
(hint for you: https://drivetribe.com/p/B2yw2YpPRGaAPcsb0hrBhA?ii...

Edited by FFM on Wednesday 22 February 09:35

[sparta6]

FFM said:

But, since you specifically compared the cars, rather than the buyers, next time, if I were in your shoes, I'd do a bit more research before writing non-sense
(hint for you: https://drivetribe.com/p/B2yw2YpPRGaAPcsb0hrBhA?ii...

Edited by FFM on Wednesday 22 February 09:35

That DB3 looks like Gisele Bündchen reclining in the sun

[Robbo66]

It's dreadful, as anyone with chromosome of taste knows.

However, I don't see how this or any Kahn abomination, as any different in 'showing off terms' to the Alan Partridge convoy Aston brigade, or the unemployed Instagram trust fund Charlie, dribbling around Kensington in Papa's latest trinket.

Hat's off to Kahn, Mansery 'et all', for spotting an opportunity and exploiting the shallow, narcissism of this market sector. Their balance sheets speak volumes.

[TSCfree]

FFM said:

TSCfree said:

Not as good as the Mansory Aventador, but certainly not terrible. In fact there's not much difference between this and the AM GT8 IMHO.

blasphemy...how you can compare an after-market tuner with Aston Martin? Maybe, what you really meant is the fact that there isn't much difference between those buying a Mansory Siracusa (awful name for a car, to start with) and those tastelessly customise/specify a brand new Ferrari/Lambo/Aston because the manufacturer let you do so.

But, since you specifically compared the cars, rather than the buyers, next time, if I were in your shoes, I'd do a bit more research before writing non-sense
(hint for you: https://drivetribe.com/p/B2yw2YpPRGaAPcsb0hrBhA?ii...

Edited by FFM on Wednesday 22 February 09:35

Touch a nerve.... Ah a heritage man eh!

Visually both cars have tat stuck to them, neither are particularly offensive. My eyes don't need to do any research for that.

I'm sat here looking at two cars, not buying into some 'Raison D'etra' marketing tosh.

If you feel the need to compare buyers/people to a product I'd guess that makes you pretty shal-low....

[markclow]

Kyodo said:

I've seen it in the flesh. Some details look quite good, some not so. I did think at the time that if a total chav won the lottery, climbed out of his max power hatchback and bought his first Ferrari, it'd possibly look like this.

This.

[FFM]

TSCfree said:

Visually both cars have tat stuck to them, neither are particularly offensive. My eyes don't need to do any research for that.

Just out of curiosity, which GT8 have you seen (color-wise)? ...I bet it wasn't this one https://www.instagram.com/p/BPdA0viA_GA/?taken-by=...

To my eyes you are still comparing a non-original-rebranded-Daytona with an original-Nautilus, which doesn't make any sense (still).
Also, it doesn't mean that if the car got a wing, it's awful (which is, at the end of the day, what your eyes see).

[TSCfree]

Y'see the front end, look at the front carbon appendages.
Y'see the side skirts, both have excess flange.
Y'see the rear wing....let go no further!

Visually they are comparable. In fact I'm starting to actually prefer the Mansory

[limpsfield]

Robbo66 said:

However, I don't see how this or any Kahn abomination, as any different in 'showing off terms' to the Alan Partridge convoy Aston brigade, or the unemployed Instagram trust fund Charlie, dribbling around Kensington in Papa's latest trinket.

Hat's off to Kahn, Mansery 'et all', for spotting an opportunity and exploiting the shallow, narcissism of this market sector. Their balance sheets speak volumes.

I thought you should be congratulated on the great use of language in these two paragraphs!

[720Sand1299]

TSCfree said:

Y'see the front end, look at the front carbon appendages.
Y'see the side skirts, both have excess flange.
Y'see the rear wing....let go no further!

Visually they are comparable. In fact I'm starting to actually prefer the Mansory

Seconded. The AM looks naff, at least Mansory haven't much history and heritage to live up to, can't say the same about the chaps from Newport Pagnell.

Edited by 720Sand1299 on Wednesday 22 February 22:07

[FFM]

...at some point, I really thought this forum was about discussing cars rather than paint-jobs seen from pictures on computer screens.

[Durzel]

Horrific.

Same as with Kahn's creations.

That said, jonby has nailed it for me. I doubt I'll ever like these cars, but that's ok, they're not for me. I also don't watch Celebrity Big Brother, TOWIE, etc either but they obviously do it for some people.

[Yipper]

A lot of snobbery and pretentiousness around Ferraris.

[TaylotS2K]

I quite like it tbf.

[WCZ]

Yipper said:

A lot of snobbery and pretentiousness around Ferraris.

+1
makes no sense imo

[Durzel]

So if you don't like it you're snobby and pretentious? Ok.