Going Off Of Ferrari?
Discussion
As someone who doesn't spend a lot of time of social media, i am not aware of any current negativity swelling against Ferrari, the brand. However i am a fairly recent customer to Ferrari, on my second car. My first was an FF and just replaced by an F12 with an 812 SF on order. The level of customer care, interaction, service and hospitality with this brand is completely alien to anything i have experienced in the past. Not only as a dyed in the wool car enthusiast (i'm by no means a car snob, my twin-air Panda 4x4 excites me on a similar level to my Cayman GT4, because both are brilliant at their intended roles) it is wonderful to drive a Ferrari, as a long term owner it's also a very rewarding brand to be part of. What 'you-tubers' spout on about to secure followers may warrant some attention from my 11 year old son, but i seriously doubt it impacts on someone with the wherewith all to purchase a new Ferrari. As far as Lamborghini and McLaren are concerned, i am sure they are wonderful cars, i have only briefly driven the latter. Competition improves product, lets rejoice in choice. But i really don't think Ferrari have dropped the ball currently, the product line up is very strong. I've spent the last week putting 600 miles on a 488 GTB and it's a very hard car to fault, absolutely sublime to drive. To drive a Ferrari really is a massive treat for a car enthusiast, to own one is a dream come true for me.
tuscaneer said:
Not he's not. A Balboni or Singapore edition are not standard models. a STANDARD f430 manual is hovering around 130-140k.....normal gallardo manuals are averaging a lot less. There's a blue manual STANDARD GALLARDO in the classifieds for 62 grand.find me a standard manual 430 anywhere near that.
this.bearing in mind the only £300k gallados are only priced so absurdly based on them being 1 of 3 cars then you'll struggle to find a fair comparison but for arguments sake for a 16M scud there are 53 UK RHD cars and a low mileage example is £460,000
Edited by WCZ on Thursday 23 March 17:19
Edited by WCZ on Thursday 23 March 19:39
seawise said:
As someone who doesn't spend a lot of time of social media, i am not aware of any current negativity swelling against Ferrari, the brand. However i am a fairly recent customer to Ferrari, on my second car. My first was an FF and just replaced by an F12 with an 812 SF on order. The level of customer care, interaction, service and hospitality with this brand is completely alien to anything i have experienced in the past. Not only as a dyed in the wool car enthusiast (i'm by no means a car snob, my twin-air Panda 4x4 excites me on a similar level to my Cayman GT4, because both are brilliant at their intended roles) it is wonderful to drive a Ferrari, as a long term owner it's also a very rewarding brand to be part of. What 'you-tubers' spout on about to secure followers may warrant some attention from my 11 year old son, but i seriously doubt it impacts on someone with the wherewith all to purchase a new Ferrari. As far as Lamborghini and McLaren are concerned, i am sure they are wonderful cars, i have only briefly driven the latter. Competition improves product, lets rejoice in choice. But i really don't think Ferrari have dropped the ball currently, the product line up is very strong. I've spent the last week putting 600 miles on a 488 GTB and it's a very hard car to fault, absolutely sublime to drive. To drive a Ferrari really is a massive treat for a car enthusiast, to own one is a dream come true for me.
Hallelujah! Sanity is restored. Best post on this thread by miles. Same experience here with Ferrari customer care. Bought from a main dealer (Dick Lovett, excellent) and have been invited to 4 events that were absolutely brilliant, including a track day in the 488 which was sublime, and a golf day. Okay, that might not be everyone's cup of tea, but it was superb. Ferrari really know how to look after their customers and undeniably they are making amazing cars. On which note, how are you getting on with the F12 seawise? Am contemplating upgrading my 599 to an F12 at some time in the near future. REALLY want an 812, but for the time being have decided it's a stretch too far financially.
TedLeveTT said:
I can't put a number on it, of course, but it must be a relatively large amount considering it is a reputation I am talking about... Fair enough, I have only ever "interacted" with one Ferrari owner, who laughed at me because he opened his front boot of his 430 and I announced "Look, he's opening the engine bay". Not one of my proudest moments...
so basically you just dreamt this "reputation" your talking about up?are you in a position to buy a Ferrari then? coz if you aren't, whether your "going off" them or not, seems rather irrelevant!
tuscaneer said:
Yipper said:
He is comparing like for like. He is right.
Not he's not. A Balboni or Singapore edition are not standard models. a STANDARD f430 manual is hovering around 130-140k.....normal gallardo manuals are averaging a lot less. There's a blue manual STANDARD GALLARDO in the classifieds for 62 grand.find me a standard manual 430 anywhere near that.I enjoy my lambo (e-gear, #lifestyle) and will enjoy it a lot more when the weather turns. And the good thing is, I don't give a toss how much it's worth.
Edited by Never you mind on Thursday 23 March 17:41
Edited by Never you mind on Thursday 23 March 17:41
Never you mind said:
tuscaneer said:
Yipper said:
He is comparing like for like. He is right.
Not he's not. A Balboni or Singapore edition are not standard models. a STANDARD f430 manual is hovering around 130-140k.....normal gallardo manuals are averaging a lot less. There's a blue manual STANDARD GALLARDO in the classifieds for 62 grand.find me a standard manual 430 anywhere near that.I enjoy my lambo (e-gear, #lifstyle) and will enjoy it a lot more when the weather turns. And the good thing is, I don't give a toss how much it's worth.
Whichever way you cut it your AVERAGE manual gallardo is worth less than your AVERAGE manual 430....it's not a pissing contest it's just bare facts and to suggest anything else is just disingenuous..
WCZ said:
this.
bearing in mind the only £300k gallados are only priced so absurdly based on them being 1 of 3 cars then you'll struggle to find a fair comparison but for arguments sake there are 53 UK RHD cars and a low mileage example is £460,000
Thank you!!!...I was beginning to think I was going mad in here!!!bearing in mind the only £300k gallados are only priced so absurdly based on them being 1 of 3 cars then you'll struggle to find a fair comparison but for arguments sake there are 53 UK RHD cars and a low mileage example is £460,000
Edited by WCZ on Thursday 23 March 17:19
Hilarious thread - hilarious forum.
Bubbles within bubbles.
I stumbled upon PH only fairly recently - and I owned a Diablo for nearly 10 years. I wonder what % of supercar owners have actually heard of PH? - no disrespect intended.
I'm glad I did though because it alleviates the boredom when sitting in front of my trading screens. And some of the information is priceless - although the poor chap with a low battery told to wave his fob around in his McLaren to "register it" made me laugh the hardest for years. There were tears.
This thread is a classic - you have a prepubescent lad opening a topic and then grown men who own a fleet of supercars arguing the piss with him. And you have the classic "know-it-alls" with no chance in hell of ever owning one of these cars putting everyone to rights!
Brilliant.
Bubbles within bubbles.
I stumbled upon PH only fairly recently - and I owned a Diablo for nearly 10 years. I wonder what % of supercar owners have actually heard of PH? - no disrespect intended.
I'm glad I did though because it alleviates the boredom when sitting in front of my trading screens. And some of the information is priceless - although the poor chap with a low battery told to wave his fob around in his McLaren to "register it" made me laugh the hardest for years. There were tears.
This thread is a classic - you have a prepubescent lad opening a topic and then grown men who own a fleet of supercars arguing the piss with him. And you have the classic "know-it-alls" with no chance in hell of ever owning one of these cars putting everyone to rights!
Brilliant.
Edited by WDISMYL on Thursday 23 March 18:01
SL550M said:
seawise said:
As someone who doesn't spend a lot of time of social media, i am not aware of any current negativity swelling against Ferrari, the brand. However i am a fairly recent customer to Ferrari, on my second car. My first was an FF and just replaced by an F12 with an 812 SF on order. The level of customer care, interaction, service and hospitality with this brand is completely alien to anything i have experienced in the past. Not only as a dyed in the wool car enthusiast (i'm by no means a car snob, my twin-air Panda 4x4 excites me on a similar level to my Cayman GT4, because both are brilliant at their intended roles) it is wonderful to drive a Ferrari, as a long term owner it's also a very rewarding brand to be part of. What 'you-tubers' spout on about to secure followers may warrant some attention from my 11 year old son, but i seriously doubt it impacts on someone with the wherewith all to purchase a new Ferrari. As far as Lamborghini and McLaren are concerned, i am sure they are wonderful cars, i have only briefly driven the latter. Competition improves product, lets rejoice in choice. But i really don't think Ferrari have dropped the ball currently, the product line up is very strong. I've spent the last week putting 600 miles on a 488 GTB and it's a very hard car to fault, absolutely sublime to drive. To drive a Ferrari really is a massive treat for a car enthusiast, to own one is a dream come true for me.
Hallelujah! Sanity is restored. Best post on this thread by miles. Same experience here with Ferrari customer care. Bought from a main dealer (Dick Lovett, excellent) and have been invited to 4 events that were absolutely brilliant, including a track day in the 488 which was sublime, and a golf day. Okay, that might not be everyone's cup of tea, but it was superb. Ferrari really know how to look after their customers and undeniably they are making amazing cars. On which note, how are you getting on with the F12 seawise? Am contemplating upgrading my 599 to an F12 at some time in the near future. REALLY want an 812, but for the time being have decided it's a stretch too far financially.
WDISMYL said:
Hilarious thread - hilarious forum.
Bubbles within bubbles.
I stumbled upon PH only fairly recently - and I owned a Diablo for nearly 10 years. I wonder what % of supercar owners have actually heard of PH? - no disrespect intended.
I'm glad I did though because it alleviates the boredom when sitting in front of my trading screens. And some of the information is priceless - although the poor chap with a low battery told to wave his fob around in his McLaren to "register it" made me laugh the hardest for years. There were tears.
This thread is a classic - you have a prepubescent lad opening a topic and then grown men who own a fleet of supercars arguing the piss with him. And you have the classic "know-it-alls" with no chance in hell of ever owning one of these cars putting everyone to rights!
Brilliant.
You forgot the bloke who always comes along at the end of the thread who peers down from up high, sucking air through teeth, positioning himself above everyone else.Bubbles within bubbles.
I stumbled upon PH only fairly recently - and I owned a Diablo for nearly 10 years. I wonder what % of supercar owners have actually heard of PH? - no disrespect intended.
I'm glad I did though because it alleviates the boredom when sitting in front of my trading screens. And some of the information is priceless - although the poor chap with a low battery told to wave his fob around in his McLaren to "register it" made me laugh the hardest for years. There were tears.
This thread is a classic - you have a prepubescent lad opening a topic and then grown men who own a fleet of supercars arguing the piss with him. And you have the classic "know-it-alls" with no chance in hell of ever owning one of these cars putting everyone to rights!
Brilliant.
Edited by WDISMYL on Thursday 23 March 18:01
TedLeveTT said:
With all of the bad media about Ferrari lately, I find that I am slowly getting a stale image in my head of Ferrari. By "bad media" I'm mainly talking about the mileage roll backs that Ferrari have been accused of approving.
I used to be a huge fan of Ferrari. I admired there cars most of all (as do we all), but I also loved what the brand stood for. In my opinion, Ferrari's always carried a level of class and politely demanded respect and admiration on the road which I loved. If I ever reincarnated into a car (that's possible, yes) I would for sure be a 458.
In short, the more I seem to hear about Ferrari lately, the less I want to hear because I love their cars so much. I guess you could say its turning into a love hate relationship... I just don't feel that Ferrari offers as much as Mclaren and Lamborghini, and part of me want's Ferrari to disappear yet then when i look at their cars (exclude 812 SF) I would never wish for cars like that to stop being produced.
Lastly, just look at the 720S from Mclaren, it's an incredible work of art and it feels like its here before it's time, in my opinion. Then there's Ferrari, a rebodied F12 (essentially that's what it is) with a name stolen from the 60's.
I apologise if this thread makes no sense, I kind of lost the plot a little with it, I've had a long day, should've put more effort into the thread but time is pressed and I want to have a conversation about this topic...
If I had the time, this is the type of post I would stick up to wind up everyone in this section. I used to be a huge fan of Ferrari. I admired there cars most of all (as do we all), but I also loved what the brand stood for. In my opinion, Ferrari's always carried a level of class and politely demanded respect and admiration on the road which I loved. If I ever reincarnated into a car (that's possible, yes) I would for sure be a 458.
In short, the more I seem to hear about Ferrari lately, the less I want to hear because I love their cars so much. I guess you could say its turning into a love hate relationship... I just don't feel that Ferrari offers as much as Mclaren and Lamborghini, and part of me want's Ferrari to disappear yet then when i look at their cars (exclude 812 SF) I would never wish for cars like that to stop being produced.
Lastly, just look at the 720S from Mclaren, it's an incredible work of art and it feels like its here before it's time, in my opinion. Then there's Ferrari, a rebodied F12 (essentially that's what it is) with a name stolen from the 60's.
I apologise if this thread makes no sense, I kind of lost the plot a little with it, I've had a long day, should've put more effort into the thread but time is pressed and I want to have a conversation about this topic...
Camlet said:
Thanks. I'm still not getting your beef with Ferrari though. They're a business not a club. They're like any other owner of a powerbrand - Nike, Disney, Apple etc. They look to create/build products which sell in relatively high volumes and at high margin. It's not easy.
My journey with Ferrari has been just fine. Perhaps my expectations were lower than most. I've never had a problem. I was invited to buy a tdf because I've spent the past 20 years committed to Ferrari. Because I love the brand, the cars and through hard work and some luck I can afford to feed my addiction. I've never felt anything other than joy.
My first F car was a one year old 550M. I still have her, and from the moment I drove her, the addiction started in earnest. My first LE invitation was in 2010, with the 599 GTO. I still have her too. It's a big hardcore bruiser. I don't need schmoozing from Ferrari, I don't need fancy visits or visits to VIP lounges at car shows. Great for some, just doesn't float my boat. I wasn't offered a LaF Aperta and it doesn't bother me because I know there are customers way heavier than me, guys who spend a fortune on incredible cars like the XX and FXX K. I just need Ferrari to continue to build cars that tick my boxes.
I didn't buy an 812 because I have a tdf. If I didn't have the tdf, I would definitely have bought the 812. It's not innovative enough for you? The world's most powerful NA V12 road car, and which doesn't need 4WD? Why would they have revealed a new car alongside the 812? Every new launch is paced between different shows - Geneva, Frankfurt etc. Ferrari's pipeline is I'm sure chock full of product, including the next LE. They don't with new technology? What is the FXX K?
The business is fascinating, and it's hard for all of us to see the wood for the trees. Ferrari is a business and right up there among the very best. I remember a mate slamming them for selling soft teddy bears and computer mouse mats. But we agreed to disagree. A Dad/Mum who buys their daughter/son a mouse mat is possibly starting another long journey of discovery. VWG are also genius at developing their products and brands - look at Bugatti, Audi, Porsche, Lamborghini and Bentley; brilliant marketing.
Cheers.
Very interesting to read, thanks, Camlet. I love your honest opinion and story. You seem grateful to be in the position that you're in which I respect immensely. Of course, I do not understand what Ferrari's are like to drive, in fact, I've never even sat in a Ferrari, but for the last 4 years that I have found my large interest in cars Ferrari cars have been my primary focus. I only keep hearing from Salomindrin's Youtube channel his opinions on Ferrari that may have tainted my view on Ferrari.My journey with Ferrari has been just fine. Perhaps my expectations were lower than most. I've never had a problem. I was invited to buy a tdf because I've spent the past 20 years committed to Ferrari. Because I love the brand, the cars and through hard work and some luck I can afford to feed my addiction. I've never felt anything other than joy.
My first F car was a one year old 550M. I still have her, and from the moment I drove her, the addiction started in earnest. My first LE invitation was in 2010, with the 599 GTO. I still have her too. It's a big hardcore bruiser. I don't need schmoozing from Ferrari, I don't need fancy visits or visits to VIP lounges at car shows. Great for some, just doesn't float my boat. I wasn't offered a LaF Aperta and it doesn't bother me because I know there are customers way heavier than me, guys who spend a fortune on incredible cars like the XX and FXX K. I just need Ferrari to continue to build cars that tick my boxes.
I didn't buy an 812 because I have a tdf. If I didn't have the tdf, I would definitely have bought the 812. It's not innovative enough for you? The world's most powerful NA V12 road car, and which doesn't need 4WD? Why would they have revealed a new car alongside the 812? Every new launch is paced between different shows - Geneva, Frankfurt etc. Ferrari's pipeline is I'm sure chock full of product, including the next LE. They don't with new technology? What is the FXX K?
The business is fascinating, and it's hard for all of us to see the wood for the trees. Ferrari is a business and right up there among the very best. I remember a mate slamming them for selling soft teddy bears and computer mouse mats. But we agreed to disagree. A Dad/Mum who buys their daughter/son a mouse mat is possibly starting another long journey of discovery. VWG are also genius at developing their products and brands - look at Bugatti, Audi, Porsche, Lamborghini and Bentley; brilliant marketing.
Cheers.
I simply started this thread to speak about the way Ferrari is going as a business. I realise that this thread has strayed far and few between (comparing 430's and Gallardo prices ect...). I apologise If I have offended anybody and I fully understand the fact that owners would want to defend the brand. I started this thread with almost nothing to go on, it was very pointless and I will not make that mistake again.
Driving a Ferrari is like sex with prostitutes. Its an adrenaline rush before you get in, is over too quickly and you'll spend the hour afterwards looking over your shoulder for the police. Then you'll want to do it all over again until you are financially ruined / in prison / hospitalised.
EpsomJames said:
Suddenly, the magnitude of the OPs post and impending Ferrari/Lamborghini/McLaren war dawns on him.
So far we have:
Ferraris have a dodgy image problem
Lamborghinis drive crap
McLarens are unreliable
I've definitely subscribed to this thread
Never mind that, have you seen the bloody size of Toblerone?So far we have:
Ferraris have a dodgy image problem
Lamborghinis drive crap
McLarens are unreliable
I've definitely subscribed to this thread
nyxster said:
Driving a Ferrari is like sex with prostitutes. Its an adrenaline rush before you get in, is over too quickly and you'll spend the hour afterwards looking over your shoulder for the police. Then you'll want to do it all over again until you are financially ruined / in prison / hospitalised.
I'm puzzled how you would know ? Please elaborateGassing Station | Supercar General | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff