BUGATTI VEYRON DRIVEN !!!
Discussion
mr bridger said:
napolis said:
PH 123
Very interesting observation. Having driven Can Am cars you've really cut to the heart of it. My MK-IV has 550HP and weighs 2300lbs. With large tires and Le Mans gearing it can get the power down but the Bug is a marvel. The experience is interesting. You defineately feel the TC work. Overall the Bug felt a bit sedan like it's so smooth. After driving it I really came away with vast appreciation for what PF has accomplished with P 4/5. It's a much more (for me) enjoyable car to drive as I feel more "connected" as opposed to sitting on the Concorde during take off. The Bug's engineering is so good that it masks sensation.
As I said above I'm simply thinking random thought at this point. If she had felt more Can Am like (Brutal?) and less Private Jet like I think I would like her more but I understand why they went this way. I LOVED driving my 166 1100 KMS through the 8000 turns of the Historic Targa in the rain but I realize not everyone would...
i personally think the true marvel of this (veyron) car is its ability to perform all kinds of extreme "supercar" feats when reqd (& i do stress EXTREME), BUT...unlike the CGT,Enzo, Mac F1 (GTR), & yes even the Zonda, it can also cocoon you on those days when you just cannot for whatever reason (heavy traffic, weather etc) use its performance fully...i went (2nd time) prepared to be more cynical after my "cooling off" period, i came away even more in awe of the cars capabilities, & trust me i"ve driven / owned most things out there...its bloody wonderfull!!!...Very interesting observation. Having driven Can Am cars you've really cut to the heart of it. My MK-IV has 550HP and weighs 2300lbs. With large tires and Le Mans gearing it can get the power down but the Bug is a marvel. The experience is interesting. You defineately feel the TC work. Overall the Bug felt a bit sedan like it's so smooth. After driving it I really came away with vast appreciation for what PF has accomplished with P 4/5. It's a much more (for me) enjoyable car to drive as I feel more "connected" as opposed to sitting on the Concorde during take off. The Bug's engineering is so good that it masks sensation.
As I said above I'm simply thinking random thought at this point. If she had felt more Can Am like (Brutal?) and less Private Jet like I think I would like her more but I understand why they went this way. I LOVED driving my 166 1100 KMS through the 8000 turns of the Historic Targa in the rain but I realize not everyone would...
It's an interesting one for sure.
This debate is the great one that runs along the lines of
911RS vs. 911 Turbo
Tactility vs. technical sledgehammer
It's a shame all-wheel drive appears to lessen the immediacy of responses.
Not by much nowadays though. The hi-ratio steering on the Veyron works a treat on turn-in, does it not?
James, Sir, I'm in complete and utter awe not only if the P4/5, but also your having driven the Targa course in the 166. In the wet.
If I had one last ever gallon of gas, Sicily is where I would weep!
911RS vs. 911 Turbo
Tactility vs. technical sledgehammer
It's a shame all-wheel drive appears to lessen the immediacy of responses.
Not by much nowadays though. The hi-ratio steering on the Veyron works a treat on turn-in, does it not?
James, Sir, I'm in complete and utter awe not only if the P4/5, but also your having driven the Targa course in the 166. In the wet.
If I had one last ever gallon of gas, Sicily is where I would weep!
ph123 said:
This debate is the great one that runs along the lines of
911RS vs. 911 Turbo
Tactility vs. technical sledgehammer
It's a shame all-wheel drive appears to lessen the immediacy of responses.
Not by much nowadays though. The hi-ratio steering on the Veyron works a treat on turn-in, does it not?
James, Sir, I'm in complete and utter awe not only if the P4/5, but also your having driven the Targa course in the 166. In the wet.
If I had one last ever gallon of gas, Sicily is where I would weep!
PH123, to echo graeme" observations in his opening post re the entrance from A road sliproad to motorway, i have never felt anything "hang on" for as long & as "limpet like" as the big bug does...now in a car with soooo much ooomph as this, tactility (in some cases/situations can be misinterpreted as nervousnous)the technical approach is most def. reqd...IMHO of course!911RS vs. 911 Turbo
Tactility vs. technical sledgehammer
It's a shame all-wheel drive appears to lessen the immediacy of responses.
Not by much nowadays though. The hi-ratio steering on the Veyron works a treat on turn-in, does it not?
James, Sir, I'm in complete and utter awe not only if the P4/5, but also your having driven the Targa course in the 166. In the wet.
If I had one last ever gallon of gas, Sicily is where I would weep!
ted 191 said:
greame73 , must have been a big step up from that old pontiac firebird you smoked about in 
Jese you've got a good memory. That belonged to Gary, only knicked it so I could put a tow bar on it for the race car. He's still got the bloody thing. However there is a similarity between the two. They both have that lovely V8 burble.
mrbridger said:
i personally think the true marvel of this (veyron) car is its ability to perform all kinds of extreme "supercar" feats when reqd (& i do stress EXTREME), BUT...unlike the CGT,Enzo, Mac F1 (GTR), & yes even the Zonda, it can also cocoon you on those days when you just cannot for whatever reason (heavy traffic, weather etc) use its performance fully...i went (2nd time) prepared to be more cynical after my "cooling off" period, i came away even more in awe of the cars capabilities, & trust me i"ve driven / owned most things out there...its bloody wonderfull!!!...
I totally agree. I have not had the benefit of driving most other what I would term as super, supercars to compare but I think it unlikely that they would instill the amount of confidence in you that the Veyron does. I personally have always preferred raw cars. If I were looking for a late Porsche it would a GT2, an old Porsche a 2.7RS, Diablo SV never a Murci. The Veyron is an exception to the rule. If I had the money I'd buy one tomorrow, I can't think of another car on this level that you could jump in and feel so completely at home with immediately. If traffic allowed I would have kept my foot in much longer and not felt the slightest cause for concern.
Edited by graeme73s on Thursday 16th November 18:32
Agree wholeheartedly with Graeme/Bridger above; using this much horsepower is really only a job for a 'hi-tech' set up.
But again, at the back of my mind lurks the question - just how fast would the Veyron be or could the Veyron be, if you really got down to a. driving very hard and/or b. started the lightening, upgrading process a la Sir James's P4/5.
In a previous life, we went throught the same 'Clubsport-ing' idea with the then Diablo and took the SV spec to Italy which they preduced for us.
My feeling is, rather like the Donohue/Penske CanAm Porsches from way back, the Veyron could be HUGELY fast.
Piech was behind those Porsches, behind the Veyron and here still there now ...
I bet there'll be something at the back of his mind. Let's face it, he also has the current Le Mans winners in the next door office.
But again, at the back of my mind lurks the question - just how fast would the Veyron be or could the Veyron be, if you really got down to a. driving very hard and/or b. started the lightening, upgrading process a la Sir James's P4/5.
In a previous life, we went throught the same 'Clubsport-ing' idea with the then Diablo and took the SV spec to Italy which they preduced for us.
My feeling is, rather like the Donohue/Penske CanAm Porsches from way back, the Veyron could be HUGELY fast.
Piech was behind those Porsches, behind the Veyron and here still there now ...
I bet there'll be something at the back of his mind. Let's face it, he also has the current Le Mans winners in the next door office.
Interesting thought PH123. But how much weight do you think they could get out of the Veyron. From memory the engine/gearbox assembly weighs 600kg and the she holds another 200kg of fluids. I'm sure there would be an awful lot of weight shaved if you junked the 4 wheel drive, abs, traction control systems etc. but the danger might be to end up with a car potentially far quicker but no where near as user friendly. As we all know power is nothing without control. If I were lucky enough to own one I would genuinly not have a problem with my other half driving the car and the silly moo should have taken the opportunity when she had it.(she kicks herself now). Why because the car is so capable, the level of grip, feedback, stability, brakes and awareness of speed that I have never experienced in another car.
I have a S class Brabus saloon with 600 bhp which for its age and therefore technology is awesome. But is more about brute power and ignorance. It masks speed so well that you need to be pushing well into three figures before you realise that you are travelling quickly. Kerry would love to drive the car but I would never let her use it unsupervised. When pushing on you need to be on the ball or you would easily wrap it up. I guess thats why when Brabus delivered the cars to their new owners I believe that they were handed a sheet of paper that stated, "this car should not be driven by inexperienced drivers".
That said if a club sport Veyron became available at a price that us mere mortals could afford my cheque would be in the post tomorrow
I have a S class Brabus saloon with 600 bhp which for its age and therefore technology is awesome. But is more about brute power and ignorance. It masks speed so well that you need to be pushing well into three figures before you realise that you are travelling quickly. Kerry would love to drive the car but I would never let her use it unsupervised. When pushing on you need to be on the ball or you would easily wrap it up. I guess thats why when Brabus delivered the cars to their new owners I believe that they were handed a sheet of paper that stated, "this car should not be driven by inexperienced drivers".
That said if a club sport Veyron became available at a price that us mere mortals could afford my cheque would be in the post tomorrow
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