How many Diablos are there, in the UK
Discussion
XXVIII said:
whilst I wouldn't want to question the figures of such great and knowledgeable people as Car & Driver, Autocar, Quattroroute or indeed the apparently all-knowing Diablo Pete... I'd like to query why the people at Autozine included just the easily verified specific numbers for only the SE30 and the Diablo GT but still seem to bundle ALL the others together with the 'specials' in the catch-all amount? (If that's what they actually did.)
For example, I'm sure that anybody wishing to buy a rwd 'original' spec. Diablo in 1998 would have been quietly pointed at one of those new Diablo SV's, yet this chart says that such a car was available, again, apparently...
It certainly wasn't a car that was being offered in the UK in 1998 or 1999 - I know as I designed the bloody sales brochures that were given to any 'serious' customers by the then UK importers and I'm quite sure they would have told me if I'd missed a few pages! If the 2wd were still being listed as available in 1996/7/8 they sure as 'ell didn't sell any in the UK.
For further example, that chart makes no reference to the Diablo Roadster at all... Are they included in the total or are they included in just the VT total not that there is one specific to just the VT? Are the tiny amount of SV Roadsters in there somehow or have they been ignored?
Why has there been no effort to separate the SE30 and SE30 Jota since they were (whatever anybody says), never officially Diablos even if they came with a Diablo manual? People can call them Diablos if they want, even if they're wrong.
And why is there no inclusion of the racing SVR's and GTR's since their tiny numbers would make a difference for some, it seems.
Why no mention of the Diablo engines and chassis that were sold to those weird nutters in South America when times were hard for Sant'Agata in the 1990s so those people could try to make their grotesque 'creations'...
With some certainty, given the nature of the Sant'Agata beast, there will have been any number of variables that applied.
Being precise in any way, shape or form regarding the 'exact' details of almost any facet of Automobili Lamborghini is a recipe for at least a severe headache if not an extended stay in a padded ward.
Better to chill out and be in-exact. It's more fun that way for most though it probably drives retentive non-loo users who otherwise would collect rare stamps and butterflies around the (U- ?) bend...
Oh, and if anyone thinks I'm being all fisty-fighty about all this:
Hi David. I would say that my figures probably aren't a million miles out and a good starting point for creating something better. Don't you think.For example, I'm sure that anybody wishing to buy a rwd 'original' spec. Diablo in 1998 would have been quietly pointed at one of those new Diablo SV's, yet this chart says that such a car was available, again, apparently...
It certainly wasn't a car that was being offered in the UK in 1998 or 1999 - I know as I designed the bloody sales brochures that were given to any 'serious' customers by the then UK importers and I'm quite sure they would have told me if I'd missed a few pages! If the 2wd were still being listed as available in 1996/7/8 they sure as 'ell didn't sell any in the UK.
For further example, that chart makes no reference to the Diablo Roadster at all... Are they included in the total or are they included in just the VT total not that there is one specific to just the VT? Are the tiny amount of SV Roadsters in there somehow or have they been ignored?
Why has there been no effort to separate the SE30 and SE30 Jota since they were (whatever anybody says), never officially Diablos even if they came with a Diablo manual? People can call them Diablos if they want, even if they're wrong.
And why is there no inclusion of the racing SVR's and GTR's since their tiny numbers would make a difference for some, it seems.
Why no mention of the Diablo engines and chassis that were sold to those weird nutters in South America when times were hard for Sant'Agata in the 1990s so those people could try to make their grotesque 'creations'...
With some certainty, given the nature of the Sant'Agata beast, there will have been any number of variables that applied.
Being precise in any way, shape or form regarding the 'exact' details of almost any facet of Automobili Lamborghini is a recipe for at least a severe headache if not an extended stay in a padded ward.
Better to chill out and be in-exact. It's more fun that way for most though it probably drives retentive non-loo users who otherwise would collect rare stamps and butterflies around the (U- ?) bend...
Oh, and if anyone thinks I'm being all fisty-fighty about all this:
Like many sources, I suspect that the 2884 was obtained as a total figure of road cars, not race cars, hence SVR GTR not listed. (this is my best guess).
Can't see a reason to seperate out JOTAS from SEs. Everyone know the score is 135 SSE30 + 15 JOTA is 150. They are still all SE30s. The SE30 is also a diablo regardless of badge. It's always been classed as a diablo and came with diablo handbooks. Most components were identical. Eitherway it does not effect the outcome significantly bearing in mind the assumptions made on total numbers.
There is no mention of roadster but that does not imply the 2884 number is wrong, as they have not totals for most individual models of diablo. Suspect 2884 came from some factory source.
The guy wanted a breakdown of model made in the UK. I think my effort is the closest attempt anyone has made on here. In terms of numbers I've seen, and percentage rules we've discussed, the number sit fairly well.
There is no way this is perfect, how can it be? But it's the best I can piece together at the moment and a good stab at a start point. Feel free to improve on it.
SAB888 said:
Quote from the official Lamborghini Press Release for the SE30 - "The SE is a car even more Diablo than the Diablo itself".
which proves, if you really need either p-o-v to be 'proven' that both p-o-v's are correct...Love it, that's what makes them brilliant, that is makes any Diablo brilliant, any Lamborghini brilliant.
I believe that the SE30 is a limited edition diablo. Eitherway, the point I was making is that the ten cars in the UK don't really influence the numbers produced. So in answer to the title of the thread, lets assume what I have above as a best guess. (plus the 4 lhd GTs, and some lhd imports)
Modena Scotland said:
According to a Japanese book called "Lamborghini Diablo", the world wide production numbers of road going Ds are quoted as follow:
2WD 995
SE30+JOTA 197
SV 273
5.7 VT 891
Roadster 485
SV Roadster 23
GT 80
6.0 VT +SE NA
The SE30 & Jota figure of 197 seems way too high. I believe the prototype SE30s were included in the 150 units supposedly made. The Jota kit, which apparently numbers 28 in total, were put on to the various 150 cars.2WD 995
SE30+JOTA 197
SV 273
5.7 VT 891
Roadster 485
SV Roadster 23
GT 80
6.0 VT +SE NA
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