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tomtom

3,547 posts

99 months

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9-10MPG in London, up to 20-22 on a steady motorway cruise. In my experience.

Cactussed

4,320 posts

82 months

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That sound about right. I've had it down to 4-5MPG on track.
Beats me where it all goes... wink

youngsyr

6,801 posts

61 months

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Jesus, that urban mpg figure is comical - I thought Jap turbo nutter barges were thirsty!

Presumably with the Motec ECU they're very easy to remap though, is this a route that anyone has ventured down with improvements in either power or mpg?

JayP1

206 posts

42 months

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looked at the first classified add and owner has spent £9k in the last year. You have to be seriously mad or very minted to buy a car for £30k, spend £Xk on insurance and then £9k to keep it on the road.

Would love to have one to drive, but with that kind of running cost I would carry on choosing the Porsche every time.

tomtom

3,547 posts

99 months

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Monday 23rd August 2010 quote quote all
£xk on insurance? Mine's something like £570 to insure at 25.
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JayP1

206 posts

42 months

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tomtom said:
£xk on insurance? Mine's something like £570 to insure at 25.
£570 at 25...did you GOCOMPARE..GOCOMPARE..

Seriously though...that is seriously cheap. Cost me £850 for my 911 turbo at 25, so assumed Ferrari would be much more.

Regardless - 25% of the value of the car per year to keep it on the road is still frightening, no matter how much you try and justify it

Candellara

372 posts

51 months

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JayP1 said:
looked at the first classified add and owner has spent £9k in the last year. You have to be seriously mad or very minted to buy a car for £30k, spend £Xk on insurance and then £9k to keep it on the road.

Would love to have one to drive, but with that kind of running cost I would carry on choosing the Porsche every time.
and that's why it's important to buy the very best you can afford. As with any exotica - there's alot of "rough" ones on the market where owners have financed the purchase but cannot / will not spend the required amount on maintenance / presentation to ensure the car is 100%

£9,000 is quite believable. One fastidious owner of a 355 (member on PH) that i know well, paid over £40k IIRC for a beautiful 355 from a Main Dealer and spent the best part of £10k over the last year making sure the car was to "his standards", so this type of money is easily spent.

Mario149

3,250 posts

47 months

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youngsyr said:
tomtom said:
Cactussed said:
Drivability wise however, they're a doddle around town.
I was actually surprised at how usable it is. It's not as wide as modern Ferraris (doors excepted), the clutch is light and the oft-criticised steering means it's easy to manouver at low speeds. The cooling system seems pretty effective too.

Its thirst around London is hilarious though. Well, if you find watching your fuel gauge move funny.
Any real world mpg figures for example?

I often toyed with the idea of an F355 over the past few years, but whilst they're relatively cheap to buy (for a Ferrari), you just know that one expected bill could you see minus a kidney.

It's definitely a future classic in the making though, if you can afford to hold on to one and keep it running for the next 20 years, I imagine you'd only see the values increase.
Expect single figure mpg in town and if giving it the beans on a track for example. You might as well be pouring super unleaded onto the tarmac. Conversely, I managed to get back from North Wales to London at Easter averaging 23mpg due to traffic being a little slow on the motorway. I've found that on the roads I enjoy driving it on (A roads around Wales during road trips for example), 19-20mpg is achieveable even when having quite a lot of fun as slower traffic puts paid to caning it the whole way.

All that said, if you're seriously concerned with fuel consumption, then it's not really the car for you. You have to accept that even driving normally it's still gonna cost you about 35ppm and you just have forget about it. I monitor my mpg as an academic exercise purely for interest. If you're doing 3k miles per year in it as a second car, it's "only" gonna be £1k per year on fuel. Whereas you could drop 5x that amount in servicing and repairs over the same year quite easily if you were unlucky!

Mincik

1 posts

33 months

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I've run an early (1994) 355 for the last couple of years. It's a dream.

Total cost of ownership has been low if you take into account depreciation. So far less than a £1k a year for a service, although the cam belts are next year!

I think it's the prettiest Ferrari since the Dino and that noise!

Mincik

tomtom

3,547 posts

99 months

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18750 + belts for me next winter. Prices don't look too bad at the bottom end but I'm expecting to double the 'list' prices with extra bits and bobs that need doing.

edit: I'd also like to have my wheels refurbished over the winter I think. Not so easy to find someone willing to do it as they're magnesium.

Edited by tomtom on Monday 23 August 15:34

Millsique

8 posts

105 months

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Cactussed, Very Impressive info there. I concur with it all having owned an F355 for nearly 4 yrs now.

The only thing to add is that the GTS's (Targa) suffer from the buttress corrosion too.

Insurance can be reasonable. I pay around £450 for mine, agreed value, low mileage classic policy, Aged 30.

As I saw elsewhere, beware of loosening wheelnuts, generally caused by the wheel inserts wearing through overtightening of the bolts (visible through looking at the inserts after removing the bolts. I have come a cropper once, but after replacing the inserts (Hill Engineering) I have not had the problem again.


Cactussed

4,320 posts

82 months

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Garnered from doing most of the spannering myself. :P

And contrary to popular belief, they're OK to work on if you have patience and even a tiny amount of mechanical ability. Some bits you can't beat specialist knowledge (I've had my fair share of help and guidance over the years) but they're reasonably well designed and engineered from a maintenance perspective.



youngsyr

6,801 posts

61 months

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Monday 23rd August 2010 quote quote all
tomtom said:
18750 + belts for me next winter. Prices don't look too bad at the bottom end but I'm expecting to double the 'list' prices with extra bits and bobs that need doing.

edit: I'd also like to have my wheels refurbished over the winter I think. Not so easy to find someone willing to do it as they're magnesium.

Edited by tomtom on Monday 23 August 15:34
Out of interest, how much are you budgeting for the 18,750 mile service and belts with and without "extras"?

gt1980

3 posts

33 months

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Had a 355 as my daily runner for around a year.

Previously had a 328 and loved it. Cheap to run, quite economical, used everyday and no major problems. But i really wanted a 355 ever since It was launched, I was 13 then so these teenage wants have to be satisfied!

At first i found the 355 a bit of a let down as it lacked the low down torque id expected, you really had to give it some to get it going, the build quality was flimsy compared to my 328 (really!) and the niggles started as soon as I bought it.

After a while you get used to the ups and downs, worries and constant expenditure but when they run well the are amazing.

If you are considering using it as a daily car be warned, you will spend a lot as all the usual niggles will be amplified! Its exceptionally grumpy when cold so always requires a warming (plan ahead!), and the front nose will scuff on everything and anything.

Boot space is fine for basic day to day use, the targa top helps get the christmas tree home with ease.

Bought a 360 after that and ran it for two years/ 50,000mls as my daily runner, ill save that for the 360 buyers guide!





Mario149

3,250 posts

47 months

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Monday 23rd August 2010 quote quote all
tomtom said:
18750 + belts for me next winter. Prices don't look too bad at the bottom end but I'm expecting to double the 'list' prices with extra bits and bobs that need doing.

edit: I'd also like to have my wheels refurbished over the winter I think. Not so easy to find someone willing to do it as they're magnesium.

Edited by tomtom on Monday 23 August 15:34
Is it actually the 18,750 service? Or is is just a "major" and belts? I only ask as I was basing my next major service and belts at 50k miles on the 18,750 + belts prices but it turns out that at 50k miles you need other stuff doing as well which ramps up the price a bit. Verdi were quoting about £2,200 inc VAT if memory serves, so about 600 notes more than the 18,750 and belts price. then again, a Ferrari main dealer quoted me £4,600 for the same work which puts it all in perspective a bit wink

ferrari spider

1,107 posts

43 months

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You will see in your owners manual whats involved in the various services. A large percentage of the services is just checking items. I have always said that a ferrari service is just a glorified oil change. One only pays the high price for the stamp in ya service books, that inturn increases the asking price of your car when its for sale. Anyone like myself that works on there own Ferraris will know were i am coming from wink
A cam belt service only costs me the price of the belt (£60) and tensioners. The job can take a day or even two depending on which method one uses.
But you know the more we talk on forums, the more the ferrari high priced service BS becomes apparent. One day every one will know and learn.

Edited by ferrari spider on Monday 23 August 21:25

Mario149

3,250 posts

47 months

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Tuesday 24th August 2010 quote quote all
ferrari spider said:
You will see in your owners manual whats involved in the various services. A large percentage of the services is just checking items. I have always said that a ferrari service is just a glorified oil change. One only pays the high price for the stamp in ya service books, that inturn increases the asking price of your car when its for sale. Anyone like myself that works on there own Ferraris will know were i am coming from wink
A cam belt service only costs me the price of the belt (£60) and tensioners. The job can take a day or even two depending on which method one uses.
But you know the more we talk on forums, the more the ferrari high priced service BS becomes apparent. One day every one will know and learn.

Edited by ferrari spider on Monday 23 August 21:25
What's the idea behind this? Seems to be stuff for a service plus one of everything that can leak or snap on the engine! If this is how much the parts cost for a major service we'd all feel a bit less peeved at service prices I think

http://www.ricambiamerica.com/product_info.php?cPa...

youngsyr

6,801 posts

61 months

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Tuesday 24th August 2010 quote quote all
Mario149 said:
ferrari spider said:
You will see in your owners manual whats involved in the various services. A large percentage of the services is just checking items. I have always said that a ferrari service is just a glorified oil change. One only pays the high price for the stamp in ya service books, that inturn increases the asking price of your car when its for sale. Anyone like myself that works on there own Ferraris will know were i am coming from wink
A cam belt service only costs me the price of the belt (£60) and tensioners. The job can take a day or even two depending on which method one uses.
But you know the more we talk on forums, the more the ferrari high priced service BS becomes apparent. One day every one will know and learn.

Edited by ferrari spider on Monday 23 August 21:25
What's the idea behind this? Seems to be stuff for a service plus one of everything that can leak or snap on the engine! If this is how much the parts cost for a major service we'd all feel a bit less peeved at service prices I think

http://www.ricambiamerica.com/product_info.php?cPa...
Wow, that seems a lot of money for some gaskets, belts, filters, hoses and tensioners! eek

And £110 for presumably 8 spark plugs? Are they made of platinum - oh yes, it seems they are! :laughs: But do they need to be or is it just a Ferrari tax? confused

tomtom

3,547 posts

99 months

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youngsyr said:
Out of interest, how much are you budgeting for the 18,750 mile service and belts with and without "extras"?
Budget? smile

ferrari spider

1,107 posts

43 months

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Tuesday 24th August 2010 quote quote all
Mario149 said:
ferrari spider said:
You will see in your owners manual whats involved in the various services. A large percentage of the services is just checking items. I have always said that a ferrari service is just a glorified oil change. One only pays the high price for the stamp in ya service books, that inturn increases the asking price of your car when its for sale. Anyone like myself that works on there own Ferraris will know were i am coming from wink
A cam belt service only costs me the price of the belt (£60) and tensioners. The job can take a day or even two depending on which method one uses.
But you know the more we talk on forums, the more the ferrari high priced service BS becomes apparent. One day every one will know and learn.

Edited by ferrari spider on Monday 23 August 21:25
What's the idea behind this? Seems to be stuff for a service plus one of everything that can leak or snap on the engine! If this is how much the parts cost for a major service we'd all feel a bit less peeved at service prices I think

http://www.ricambiamerica.com/product_info.php?cPa...
yea thats the 30k service kit. For some bizarre reason alot of 355 owners are lead to believe, with a 30k service an engine needs to be removed for an over haul of all seals/gaskets. On any other low mailge car this idea would be laughed at rolleyes
The 355 engine is just like any other engine. If gaskets arnt leaking dont change them, if they leak....change them. The engine does not have to be pulled to change an average gasket when one does leak.
Then you have the official ferrari book time, this tells all dealers how long a job should take....extortionate rolleyes You should see how long it tells you to do a waterpump change!! Dealers will want to make a big meal out of this job as per Ferrari. But some specialists will do the job while the engine is in. Its a pig to do but its do able.
Its all a con to squeeze cash out of owners, its called a ferrari tax.
Its been shown also that a 30k belt and service job can cost far far more in the long run. Its been shown that most F355 fires occur very soon after the 30k mile service. Mainly because things have not been fitted back correctly, thus a fuel leak. Do research and you will see for your self.
I mean look at the current fuel distribution block recall. Fires can still potentially occur because the dealers have not fitted the re call parts correctly. LOL!! Its a joke IMO. http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2885...
I like to know my parts are fitted and are safe, because i do all my work my self and i have pride in working on my own Ferraris knowing its safe and reliable.



Edited by ferrari spider on Tuesday 24th August 09:34

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