News on the 360 Replacement
Discussion
The Ferrari 360 replacement is evolution not revolution.
The fabulous Ferrari 360 Modena, which is due for some type of upgrade in late 2004 or early 2005 will be more an evolution of the current 2003 car, rather than a completely new machine. The Italians have resisted the urge to experiment (the late 348's contained some 355 systems, likewise the 355's experimental F1 box went into the 360's).
Although styling will be limited to new front and rear bumper changes, some side-skirt redesign, different alloy wheels and a slightly revised interior - the sheet metal work will probably remain untouched, something that cannot be said for the engine and gearbox.
Continental dealers tell me that a version of the 4.2-litre V8 motor in the Enzo is probably going into the 360, which insiders suggest may be renamed the 362M. Developing about 450bhp, the unit will propel the car from 0-60 in under 4 seconds and on to a top speed in excess of 200 mph (solely to match the Lamborghini's Gallardo and Porsche 911 Turbo). This will be coupled to a version of the Enzo's gearbox too, suggesting that Ferrari is introducing some serious F1 technology into their cars.
Sounds interesting!!!
Comments.....
The fabulous Ferrari 360 Modena, which is due for some type of upgrade in late 2004 or early 2005 will be more an evolution of the current 2003 car, rather than a completely new machine. The Italians have resisted the urge to experiment (the late 348's contained some 355 systems, likewise the 355's experimental F1 box went into the 360's).
Although styling will be limited to new front and rear bumper changes, some side-skirt redesign, different alloy wheels and a slightly revised interior - the sheet metal work will probably remain untouched, something that cannot be said for the engine and gearbox.
Continental dealers tell me that a version of the 4.2-litre V8 motor in the Enzo is probably going into the 360, which insiders suggest may be renamed the 362M. Developing about 450bhp, the unit will propel the car from 0-60 in under 4 seconds and on to a top speed in excess of 200 mph (solely to match the Lamborghini's Gallardo and Porsche 911 Turbo). This will be coupled to a version of the Enzo's gearbox too, suggesting that Ferrari is introducing some serious F1 technology into their cars.
Sounds interesting!!!
Comments.....
Will love to see some pictures of it,
power seems down on where it should be, given the following
360m 3586cc 400bhp 111.5 bhp/litre
stradale 3586 425bhp 118.4 bhp/litre
362m 4200 450 107bhp/litre
Can only assume torque is up instead, for a better curve, given they want the top speed 200+, else it will be nearer 500BHP, given the current level of tune on the Stradale. which WOULD be lambo killing.
Anyway, I want to see one
and ofcourse, the domains are already Reg'd
power seems down on where it should be, given the following
360m 3586cc 400bhp 111.5 bhp/litre
stradale 3586 425bhp 118.4 bhp/litre
362m 4200 450 107bhp/litre
Can only assume torque is up instead, for a better curve, given they want the top speed 200+, else it will be nearer 500BHP, given the current level of tune on the Stradale. which WOULD be lambo killing.
Anyway, I want to see one
and ofcourse, the domains are already Reg'd
jay_Z said:
Continental dealers tell me that a version of the 4.2-litre V8 motor in the Enzo is probably going into the 360, which insiders suggest may be renamed the 362M.
Sounds interesting!!!
Comments.....
Now if our Enzo turns up with a 4.2 V8 I can assure you Luca D will have one angry customer
jay_Z said:
Continental dealers tell me that a version of the 4.2-litre V8 motor in the Enzo is probably going into the 360, which insiders suggest may be renamed the 362M.
I've heard it will be called the Ferrari 420Monza... 4.2litre engine... 420 model code... makes sense.
4.2litre with a 362M model code doesn't sound right to me
Comments?
Where did that text come from Jay? According to Tom Hartley, replacement will be launched mid 2005 with the 4.2 engine, deliveries presumably starting 2006. There is without doubt a horsepower war, and regardless of how stupid or childish you think this is, Ferrari probably feels the need to preserve owners' bragging rights.
There are various pics floating around, and I fear the front end will have observers making comparisons with the 612. If they've frozen the design I've seen (it was shown to me by a journalist) the Stradale will be the last of the good looking 360 line. For the moment. Of course it could all be photoshop crap, and this speculation is par for the course when a new Ferrari is due. Have to say I was expecting to see/hear more about the 575M replacement before the 360.
Kevin
There are various pics floating around, and I fear the front end will have observers making comparisons with the 612. If they've frozen the design I've seen (it was shown to me by a journalist) the Stradale will be the last of the good looking 360 line. For the moment. Of course it could all be photoshop crap, and this speculation is par for the course when a new Ferrari is due. Have to say I was expecting to see/hear more about the 575M replacement before the 360.
Kevin
This week's Autocar mag has a bit in the News section that reckons the updated 360 is going to have a 470bhp engine based on the V8 in the Maserati 4200, but with increased capacity, 5 valves per cylinder and a flat plane crank to allow it to rev to some insane level.
I haven't got the mag to hand so I can't remember more specifics on release date etc. Maybe someone else has the article?
Chris
I haven't got the mag to hand so I can't remember more specifics on release date etc. Maybe someone else has the article?
Chris
chris_n said:
Maybe someone else has the article?
Yup
Autocar said:
This is the Best photograph yet of Ferrari's 360 Modena update, first revealed in Autocar earlier this month (News, 2 March).
The silver prototype is testing a new engine fdor the replacement car, due to be launched late next year. It will run a development of the 4.3litre V8 engine in its Maserati sister, the Coupe.
Exact details are sketchy, but Ferrari's engine development chief Jean-Jacques His told Autocar that the engine would probably be between 4.3 and 4.5 litres in a Ferrari application.
It would also breathe through five valves per cylinder, rather than the Maserati's four, while a flat plane crank will allow stratospheric engine speeds with insiders talking of a 9000rpm red line (Rico's comment -)
Expect a power output of around 470bhp - a 70bhp hike over todays 360 Modena and bringing its output closer to the 492bhp of a Gallardo. Depending on the final capacity, that name will likely be twinned with a 430 or 450 badge.
The 360 is the mainstay of Ferrari's current range, accounting for three-quarters of the 470 prancing horses sold in Britain last year. The current waiting list for a Modena is 18 months, 30 months for a Spyder.
The photo shows what is essentially a silver 360 with Challenge Stradale wheels.
The bhp war IS stupid.
The notion that a higher power output makes a car better is simply absurd. And childish. And pathetic
Whilst I realise that generalisms are sometimes unfair, I believe this is a trend being driven by the US market, and journalists in both the UK and US who believe that Sun type journalism is good (SCCOP! - New Ferrari to have 1200bhp AND cost less than a Micra to run!).
Ferraris have long been desirable in the US, and I strongly suspect this isn't because they're like American cars!
Ferrari KNOW that they can be above this. They've often sold inferior machinery at a premium because of the mystique that surrounds the brand.
I'm not saying that they should sit on their arses and rely on this forever more, but they should be seen as leading the field. Not getting embroiled in a dust up behind the bike sheds with the spotty kid from down the street.
They would do well to listen to some of their F1 engineers, and have a good word with Pinin Sr about design heritage (innovate here by all means, but please don't beat the poor machines with the ugly stick*).
A good healthy gob of power (400-450bhp), lighter weight by means of high tech materials and good design/engineering, "wet your pants" styling and noise and price it a few k over the Gallardo.
If they try mixing it with baser arguments they'll lose. Analysing where the power war is getting us, you only have to look at the Bugatti Veyron. A prize lemon if ever there was one, and one that its parent company seem to HAVE to now produce, even if it kills them, to prevent large amounts of egg on their face (arguably too late).
Build a quick, nimble, stunning sportscar for your "entry" model.
And if you really want to have a pissing contest, go balls out and make another Enzo-esque car, only better.
* Footnote on styling. I don't think the 612 is as horrendous as many others seem to. And the 360CS is a lovely looking machine. But they need to be careful where they go from here...beauty may nly be skin deeps, but no one wants to be seen with an ugly bird, no matter how funny she is!
The notion that a higher power output makes a car better is simply absurd. And childish. And pathetic
Whilst I realise that generalisms are sometimes unfair, I believe this is a trend being driven by the US market, and journalists in both the UK and US who believe that Sun type journalism is good (SCCOP! - New Ferrari to have 1200bhp AND cost less than a Micra to run!).
Ferraris have long been desirable in the US, and I strongly suspect this isn't because they're like American cars!
Ferrari KNOW that they can be above this. They've often sold inferior machinery at a premium because of the mystique that surrounds the brand.
I'm not saying that they should sit on their arses and rely on this forever more, but they should be seen as leading the field. Not getting embroiled in a dust up behind the bike sheds with the spotty kid from down the street.
They would do well to listen to some of their F1 engineers, and have a good word with Pinin Sr about design heritage (innovate here by all means, but please don't beat the poor machines with the ugly stick*).
A good healthy gob of power (400-450bhp), lighter weight by means of high tech materials and good design/engineering, "wet your pants" styling and noise and price it a few k over the Gallardo.
If they try mixing it with baser arguments they'll lose. Analysing where the power war is getting us, you only have to look at the Bugatti Veyron. A prize lemon if ever there was one, and one that its parent company seem to HAVE to now produce, even if it kills them, to prevent large amounts of egg on their face (arguably too late).
Build a quick, nimble, stunning sportscar for your "entry" model.
And if you really want to have a pissing contest, go balls out and make another Enzo-esque car, only better.
* Footnote on styling. I don't think the 612 is as horrendous as many others seem to. And the 360CS is a lovely looking machine. But they need to be careful where they go from here...beauty may nly be skin deeps, but no one wants to be seen with an ugly bird, no matter how funny she is!
Ferrari/Pinin are more than capable of making a beautiful machine. They are more than capable of putting in amazing engine/suspension/brakes and delivering a perfect car.
The could delivery this and charge a hell of a lot more than they are charging at the moment and people would be lining up.
Why don't they.
The could delivery this and charge a hell of a lot more than they are charging at the moment and people would be lining up.
Why don't they.
456mgt said:
Where did that text come from Jay?
Can't remember where I found the artical to be honest Kev. It was some doddgy website or other - not the usual high class ones I normally visit
Therefore I can't comment on its accuracy. Although as Mara pointed out since when did the Enzo have a V8
I guess that says it all!!! I've seen the piece in Autocar this afternoon and have to agree it looks exactly like a 360CS.
Murph7355 - I agree totally
>> Edited by jay_z on Friday 26th March 16:40
For those who havent seen the pic in Autocar, same pic & info here-
www.autoweek.com/cat_content.mv?port_code=autoweek&cat_code=carnews&loc_code=index&content_code=02259579
www.autoweek.com/cat_content.mv?port_code=autoweek&cat_code=carnews&loc_code=index&content_code=02259579
iguana said:
For those who havent seen the pic in Autocar, same pic & info here-
www.autoweek.com/cat_content.mv?port_code=autoweek&cat_code=carnews&loc_code=index&content_code=02259579
It still looks the same
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