Is a Zonda really worth it?
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TurboTerrific9 said:
Love the all carbon car, but what about the 'shouty' gold wheels? ![](http://thumbsnap.com/sc/ssufZCIC.jpg[/img]</a> <a href="http://thumbsnap.com/YpxAUsnJ" Target="_blank">[img]http://thumbsnap.com/sc/YpxAUsnJ.jpg)
Love it - this car works very well. The previous owner JB tends to pick amazing colours on his cars, and they're also more interesting by avoiding the normal colours (e.g. cream Alfa 8C and so on). Yellow is also a great colour on Zondas in my opinion too.
NRS said:
darksider said:
NRS: thanks for the email and comments. My main priority will be to get one for a good price so that I have enough remaining to upgrade the car. And I think you are right about the SOR, might be difficult to get around that but hey, I am an optimist!
Always worth trying! It just takes one car that the owner is actually wanting to sell, like TurboTerrific9 got. Incidently his car is one of my favourites, I saw it before and after the upgrades and both versions looked fantastic. It was interesting that the person who looked after it said that he prefered the sound before it was upgraded to the Cinque specification.What upgrades are you thinking about? It may be there is a car that has them and so helps you save money! Been a little out of date with some of the cars, but the silver S at Amian has already sold even though it is still on the site, although you weren't considering it anyway. Another car not for sale but that you might be able to get is the GJ. This was crashed previously, and during the repairs a lot was upgraded to F spec. It was for auction but didn't sell - hence the owner could be open to a bid through Pagani perhaps?
GT196 said:
darksider said:
According to James Edition, the grey F coupe is 1.15 million euros while the yellow one is 750k euros. The grey one is out of the question (right hand drive) which leaves only 3 possible options.
thanks very much indeed. they've certainly gone up in price!Edited by NRS on Tuesday 31st December 15:26
Now depending on how adventurous Darksider felt he could have a car built to his own specs based on chassis 76055 which I think is still looking for a buyer. Bob Forstner now owns this car after it was damaged in a fire. When I last spoke to Bob the car was back at the factory whilst they look for a customer to have the car rebuilt. Pagani will retain the current chassis number or assign a new one if the customer requests it.
Apparently the tub was not damaged in the fire that was caused by an oil leak onto the hot exhaust so Pagani will be happy to rebuild the car to a new customers spec including LHD if requested. Currently they have a new Cinque spec engine in a crate waiting to go into the car but this could be up rated to full 750HP spec if requested. The car can be rebuilt to any specification the client wants and will come with full factory warrantees when finished.
Bob had told me that if they cannot find a customer he will get the car rebuilt himself to full F Club Sport specification.
Now to the question of costs. If the car is rebuilt to F Club Sport specs this car will cost £1050000, but this was the price quoted to me a couple of years ago, I suspect it would be more now.
Streetrod said:
NRS, I suspect that Darksider would not be interested in GJ as it is a RHD car. As good as it looks today it still has the cloud of the crash hanging over it which was probably why it did not sell at auction earlier.
Now depending on how adventurous Darksider felt he could have a car built to his own specs based on chassis 76055 which I think is still looking for a buyer. Bob Forstner now owns this car after it was damaged in a fire. When I last spoke to Bob the car was back at the factory whilst they look for a customer to have the car rebuilt. Pagani will retain the current chassis number or assign a new one if the customer requests it.
Apparently the tub was not damaged in the fire that was caused by an oil leak onto the hot exhaust so Pagani will be happy to rebuild the car to a new customers spec including LHD if requested. Currently they have a new Cinque spec engine in a crate waiting to go into the car but this could be up rated to full 750HP spec if requested. The car can be rebuilt to any specification the client wants and will come with full factory warrantees when finished.
Bob had told me that if they cannot find a customer he will get the car rebuilt himself to full F Club Sport specification.
Now to the question of costs. If the car is rebuilt to F Club Sport specs this car will cost £1050000, but this was the price quoted to me a couple of years ago, I suspect it would be more now.
Very true, had forgotten about the RHD issue when trying to think of any other cars that might be of interest! The 76055 has been discussed for a while, but never seems to have made it to "production". I suspect it's too expensive to get repaired when you factor in current car prices (selling prices, not the asking ones) and the amount you would lose because of the crash history. I'd guess when prices start going up again it will eventually get to the point where it is worth rebuilding.Now depending on how adventurous Darksider felt he could have a car built to his own specs based on chassis 76055 which I think is still looking for a buyer. Bob Forstner now owns this car after it was damaged in a fire. When I last spoke to Bob the car was back at the factory whilst they look for a customer to have the car rebuilt. Pagani will retain the current chassis number or assign a new one if the customer requests it.
Apparently the tub was not damaged in the fire that was caused by an oil leak onto the hot exhaust so Pagani will be happy to rebuild the car to a new customers spec including LHD if requested. Currently they have a new Cinque spec engine in a crate waiting to go into the car but this could be up rated to full 750HP spec if requested. The car can be rebuilt to any specification the client wants and will come with full factory warrantees when finished.
Bob had told me that if they cannot find a customer he will get the car rebuilt himself to full F Club Sport specification.
Now to the question of costs. If the car is rebuilt to F Club Sport specs this car will cost £1050000, but this was the price quoted to me a couple of years ago, I suspect it would be more now.
Streetrod: been trying to join that forum but I have no idea how to do it - it appears they are no longer taking new registrations.
If there was a 760 chassis available, I wouldn't mind getting a new one and starting from scratch - it really depends on the cost. A brand new 760 would end up costing me 2.6 million US including VAT which might be too high. It would have to be a roadster too, because that's all I am interested in.
NRS: Just a few major upgrades - a 760 engine, new exhaust, wheels, the Sonus Faber sound system like the one in the Huayra and Cinque style paint scheme.
I wouldn't mind getting the GJ except it is RHD (not sure if that's something the factory could change). The advantage is that I could haggle on the price given its past damages.
As for the older S models, the $750k that Amian is charging for theirs is indeed high. I wouldn't even bother getting it unless it came down to 600-650k.
If there was a 760 chassis available, I wouldn't mind getting a new one and starting from scratch - it really depends on the cost. A brand new 760 would end up costing me 2.6 million US including VAT which might be too high. It would have to be a roadster too, because that's all I am interested in.
NRS: Just a few major upgrades - a 760 engine, new exhaust, wheels, the Sonus Faber sound system like the one in the Huayra and Cinque style paint scheme.
I wouldn't mind getting the GJ except it is RHD (not sure if that's something the factory could change). The advantage is that I could haggle on the price given its past damages.
As for the older S models, the $750k that Amian is charging for theirs is indeed high. I wouldn't even bother getting it unless it came down to 600-650k.
Edited by darksider on Tuesday 31st December 21:26
I just made a post asking about registeration for you - not sure what the issue is. Will let you know the result (it's the same one I sent you).
The engine and exhaust are pretty expensive I think. Just to give you an idea a few years ago Andy was quoted something along the lines of £25-30 000 for the paint job on his car.
Depending on what the actual state of the #55 is then that could perhaps be interesting if they did have the Cinque engine set aside for it. However generally it seems agreed that the cost compared to upgrading another car would be greater, with the added problem of selling after because of the car's past. This would also appear to supported as it hasn't been rebuilt in something like 5 years now, which it probably would have if it made financial sense. Also an additional question would be if the engine was still available - that was back in 2011 when it was mentioned!
A few pictures of it:
The engine and exhaust are pretty expensive I think. Just to give you an idea a few years ago Andy was quoted something along the lines of £25-30 000 for the paint job on his car.
Depending on what the actual state of the #55 is then that could perhaps be interesting if they did have the Cinque engine set aside for it. However generally it seems agreed that the cost compared to upgrading another car would be greater, with the added problem of selling after because of the car's past. This would also appear to supported as it hasn't been rebuilt in something like 5 years now, which it probably would have if it made financial sense. Also an additional question would be if the engine was still available - that was back in 2011 when it was mentioned!
A few pictures of it:
Justices said:
TurboTerrific9 said:
For the cost of a nearly £13k respray you could likely have someone run ahead each day and sweep stones out of the car's path
Personally I would have taking it to someone like Mototechnique http://www.mototechnique.com/ to get it done. Their work is not cheap, but a lot cheaper than Pagani and the quality is superb. Check out the cars they have worked on on their site, beware you could be there a while
darksider said:
Streetrod: been trying to join that forum but I have no idea how to do it - it appears they are no longer taking new registrations.
If there was a 760 chassis available, I wouldn't mind getting a new one and starting from scratch - it really depends on the cost. A brand new 760 would end up costing me 2.6 million US including VAT which might be too high. It would have to be a roadster too, because that's all I am interested in.
NRS: Just a few major upgrades - a 760 engine, new exhaust, wheels, the Sonus Faber sound system like the one in the Huayra and Cinque style paint scheme.
I wouldn't mind getting the GJ except it is RHD (not sure if that's something the factory could change). The advantage is that I could haggle on the price given its past damages.
As for the older S models, the $750k that Amian is charging for theirs is indeed high. I wouldn't even bother getting it unless it came down to 600-650k.
Darksider it’s not a question of a chassis being available but the question of engines. AMG has stopped production of the Pagani NA V12’s. The tooling still exists but AMG will only build more engines if Pagani, if I remember correctly put in an order for a minimum of 5 engines, and at over £300k each that is a major commitment. The other thing is the engines do not meet the current emissions standards which were why they were phased out in the first place.If there was a 760 chassis available, I wouldn't mind getting a new one and starting from scratch - it really depends on the cost. A brand new 760 would end up costing me 2.6 million US including VAT which might be too high. It would have to be a roadster too, because that's all I am interested in.
NRS: Just a few major upgrades - a 760 engine, new exhaust, wheels, the Sonus Faber sound system like the one in the Huayra and Cinque style paint scheme.
I wouldn't mind getting the GJ except it is RHD (not sure if that's something the factory could change). The advantage is that I could haggle on the price given its past damages.
As for the older S models, the $750k that Amian is charging for theirs is indeed high. I wouldn't even bother getting it unless it came down to 600-650k.
Edited by darksider on Tuesday 31st December 21:26
As for the GJ, converting it too LHD is a relatively simple task as the mounting points are already in the chassis. This would make practical and financial sense as GJ I suspect could be had for a lot less than the cars currently on sale
Here is a pic of GJ to inspire you. That is a matt bare carbon body by the way that would be a major major cost if you were to have it recreated new. A quick coat of lacquer would be all that's needed if you fancied a shiny finish
Edited by Streetrod on Wednesday 1st January 12:12
TurboTerrific9 said:
Love the all carbon car, but what about the 'shouty' gold wheels?
its yours?, its stunning! ive been looking for more photos of this one for a while, this is my personal favorite zonda by far, beats any cinque, tricolure or revolkuction for me, the red and gold looks fantastic, the cinque sir scoops on the back make the entire car look all the more unique.well done!
GT196 said:
What kind of money do you think the GJ car sells for?
It failed to sell at auction a year ago when if I remember rightly the bidding stalled at about £650k. But I could be wrong on this so NRS please jump in if you have the correct numbers. How much would it sell for now, be be honest I am not sure. That would have to be a conversation to be had with the owner.Anyway for anyone looking for a HQ gallery of most of the Zonda's ever built, I recommend you loose yourself in here for an hour or so. This guys has some great details shots
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24606466@N03/page1/
Streetrod said:
GT196 said:
What kind of money do you think the GJ car sells for?
It failed to sell at auction a year ago when if I remember rightly the bidding stalled at about £650k. But I could be wrong on this so NRS please jump in if you have the correct numbers. How much would it sell for now, be be honest I am not sure. That would have to be a conversation to be had with the owner.Anyway for anyone looking for a HQ gallery of most of the Zonda's ever built, I recommend you loose yourself in here for an hour or so. This guys has some great details shots
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24606466@N03/page1/
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