Is a Zonda really worth it?
Discussion
coyft said:
Lambo FirstBlood said:
Is one Hyper car worth more than the choice of 3 super cars.
This is why I love pistonheads.Edited by Lambo FirstBlood on Sunday 1st May 00:19
When does this classic status kick in?
Streetrod said:
I think so; the days when you could get an F for £500k are I think now long gone. The cars are just too good, too rare and too desirable to drop by any significant amount
What will have a major effect on Zonda prices will be when they become legible under classic status to be imported into America. The McLaren F1 saw a huge dip in values a few years after they were produced. But once they started becoming legible for US import the market took off. Peloton on this site would be able to give you more info on this.
The current two largest markets for Zonda's are the Far East and England, so demand should stay high. Some British cars have already gone to the Far East so making the stock available here even smaller. If you are seeing the car at Romans be aware it is not currently registered in the UK but is in process. Also as it has only done just over 1000 miles in 3 years it will need a service, but that should only be minor.
Mean while I am still trying to sell the kids to raise the cash I need
What will have a major effect on Zonda prices will be when they become legible under classic status to be imported into America. The McLaren F1 saw a huge dip in values a few years after they were produced. But once they started becoming legible for US import the market took off. Peloton on this site would be able to give you more info on this.
The current two largest markets for Zonda's are the Far East and England, so demand should stay high. Some British cars have already gone to the Far East so making the stock available here even smaller. If you are seeing the car at Romans be aware it is not currently registered in the UK but is in process. Also as it has only done just over 1000 miles in 3 years it will need a service, but that should only be minor.
Mean while I am still trying to sell the kids to raise the cash I need
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2608891.htm
if your looking for a toy and something that will only go up in value... ^
if your looking for a toy and something that will only go up in value... ^
What of the Koenigsegg? Are they going up in value as well?
This one is strong money:
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2737423.htm
But then this F Clubsport is also very strong money. I'd wager you might be able to knock them down £50k but not £100k...
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2697713.htm
This one is strong money:
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2737423.htm
But then this F Clubsport is also very strong money. I'd wager you might be able to knock them down £50k but not £100k...
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2697713.htm
gtoguy said:
When does this classic status kick in?
Maybe a wrong use of words. When the F1 was originally released it could not legally be imported into the USA as it did not meet federal emissions and bumper laws etc etc. But after it went out of production it no longer was required to meet these laws therefore could then be imported under the show and display rulings. The longer a car has been out of production the easier it becomes to import into the States. The same applies to other classic cars. If I am not mistaken the same will apply to the Zonda in the future.Streetrod said:
I think so; the days when you could get an F for £500k are I think now long gone. The cars are just too good, too rare and too desirable to drop by any significant amount
What will have a major effect on Zonda prices will be when they become legible under classic status to be imported into America. The McLaren F1 saw a huge dip in values a few years after they were produced. But once they started becoming legible for US import the market took off. Peloton on this site would be able to give you more info on this.
The current two largest markets for Zonda's are the Far East and England, so demand should stay high. Some British cars have already gone to the Far East so making the stock available here even smaller. If you are seeing the car at Romans be aware it is not currently registered in the UK but is in process. Also as it has only done just over 1000 miles in 3 years it will need a service, but that should only be minor.
Mean while I am still trying to sell the kids to raise the cash I need
What will have a major effect on Zonda prices will be when they become legible under classic status to be imported into America. The McLaren F1 saw a huge dip in values a few years after they were produced. But once they started becoming legible for US import the market took off. Peloton on this site would be able to give you more info on this.
The current two largest markets for Zonda's are the Far East and England, so demand should stay high. Some British cars have already gone to the Far East so making the stock available here even smaller. If you are seeing the car at Romans be aware it is not currently registered in the UK but is in process. Also as it has only done just over 1000 miles in 3 years it will need a service, but that should only be minor.
Mean while I am still trying to sell the kids to raise the cash I need
Now I may have got some of the minor details incorrect but that was my understanding of the situation. As I said it would be good if peloton came onto this thread as he is the expert on these matters.
Beefmeister said:
What of the Koenigsegg? Are they going up in value as well?
This one is strong money:
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2737423.htm
But then this F Clubsport is also very strong money. I'd wager you might be able to knock them down £50k but not £100k...
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2697713.htm
The Koenigsegg's have only ever gone down in value. For some reason they have not captured the buyers imagination like the Zonda's have. Also early accusations of dodgy build quality still hang around. Pagani on the other hand from day one have had nothing but praise heaped upon them for the quality and durability of his cars.This one is strong money:
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2737423.htm
But then this F Clubsport is also very strong money. I'd wager you might be able to knock them down £50k but not £100k...
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2697713.htm
Lambo FirstBlood said:
As above really.
I toyed with the idea of putting an order in for a Huayra after going to the launch party. I love the Pagani attention to detail and the car was stunning in the flesh. Once I had returned, I got some input from friends who were of the general opinion that the money would be better spent on a Zonda than the new car.
I always resisted taking the plunge with early Zondas. They seemed too expensive for an unknown company in the very early days, even though I loved the car. I had an opportunity to buy an F years ago for £450K. It wasn't the best example but now the price of an S of any description seems to be £500K + and an F is anything north of £800k.
At the risk of being accused of starting another "what will it be worth in 10 years" thread, I'm interested in what people think.
Put it this way, if the car was the same price as it was 5 years ago, I would already have one. Is the Zonda really going to be in the same league as a Mclaren F1 in years to come? Everyone who has ever tried to sell me one, tells me that this is a car that will be worth £2M one day but it's hardly an objective opinion. The hardest thing for me to overcome is the fact that it's twice the price that it was new.
I would also have to sell a car or 3 to justify this purchase and I'm not sure if it's worth it. I asked the same question on here about the Huayra and I decided not to proceed based on the fact that it meant chopping in 2 Lambos and flipping my Mclaren when it arrives; but I still love the car and I'm unsure about the future value of either Pagani. Is one Hyper car worth more than the choice of 3 super cars.
I never ever consider the future value of a car when I buy it. I buy for pleasure and never investment. Cars are generally a bad place to put money and I've always kept investments separate from leisure.
If I were to buy a Zonda or indeed a Huayra, resale/future values would be high on my priority list where they haven't been before.
No one specific question really, just opening the subject up for conversation.
Lambo FirstBlood, is a Bugatti Veryon completely off the radar now?I toyed with the idea of putting an order in for a Huayra after going to the launch party. I love the Pagani attention to detail and the car was stunning in the flesh. Once I had returned, I got some input from friends who were of the general opinion that the money would be better spent on a Zonda than the new car.
I always resisted taking the plunge with early Zondas. They seemed too expensive for an unknown company in the very early days, even though I loved the car. I had an opportunity to buy an F years ago for £450K. It wasn't the best example but now the price of an S of any description seems to be £500K + and an F is anything north of £800k.
At the risk of being accused of starting another "what will it be worth in 10 years" thread, I'm interested in what people think.
Put it this way, if the car was the same price as it was 5 years ago, I would already have one. Is the Zonda really going to be in the same league as a Mclaren F1 in years to come? Everyone who has ever tried to sell me one, tells me that this is a car that will be worth £2M one day but it's hardly an objective opinion. The hardest thing for me to overcome is the fact that it's twice the price that it was new.
I would also have to sell a car or 3 to justify this purchase and I'm not sure if it's worth it. I asked the same question on here about the Huayra and I decided not to proceed based on the fact that it meant chopping in 2 Lambos and flipping my Mclaren when it arrives; but I still love the car and I'm unsure about the future value of either Pagani. Is one Hyper car worth more than the choice of 3 super cars.
I never ever consider the future value of a car when I buy it. I buy for pleasure and never investment. Cars are generally a bad place to put money and I've always kept investments separate from leisure.
If I were to buy a Zonda or indeed a Huayra, resale/future values would be high on my priority list where they haven't been before.
No one specific question really, just opening the subject up for conversation.
Edited by Lambo FirstBlood on Sunday 1st May 00:19
I suppose if you go for a Zonda you'll make when you sell the McLaren. Do we know how much the McLarens will go for over list? £25k?
What about a McLaren SLR 722? Do they interest you at all?
Cheers.
J
Right - just got back so I thought I would give it to you unedited and whilst its fresh in my mind.
Firstly, it is the car at Romans.
They want £950K for it and it is SOR.
It is in the process of being registered in the UK and will end up on either 57 plate or an 08 plate. A service will also be included which be carried out by Joe Macari.
In answer to the question about the Veyron and Koenigsegg:
Veyron first: I realised that I never really fell in love with the Veyron. I haven't drive it so of course my opinion is uninformed. I realised wanting one was never about liking the car though, it was about what it was to others more than what is was to me. With hindsight, I'm glad I didn't take it further. I'm not saying I never will, but It never stole my heart like the LP640 or the Zonda.
Koenigsegg: As some here will know, I did test drive it and I did like it for being bonkers but there was something missing. I'm no motoring journalist so I won't use a lot of clever metaphor but I didn't covet it and it was a lot of money too.
Back to today.
The car is practically brand new. I didn't drive it. The current owner has apparently expressly forbid anyone from doing so! The salesman wants to go back to him with an offer before organising a test drive. I have made it very clear that I won't even consider buying it without a proper test drive- and I don't mean half a mile up the road!
If one could ever use the word understated to describe the spec of a Zonda F, this would be it. it is certainly the least offensive exterior/interior combo I have seen. A minor thing - with a contrast paint colour, the raw carbon bits really stick out which I like. In this colour way the difference is a lot more subtle. It has a couple of optional extras over and above the norm. They are
Clubsport pack
Carbon Ceramic brakes
Titanium/Inconel Exhaust System
T907F gearbox upgrade.
Most are self explanatory. I'm not sure what a gearbox upgrade is. Dealer didn't seem to be too sure either. Any ideas anyone?
To put it bluntly, it is fantastic and really is a special bit of kit. It was sat next to a Veyron on one side and an Enzo on the other, and I only had eyes for the Pagani.
I think it's too expensive and I expressed that. The sales man disagreed. (of Course). I know Mosi's mate sold his for £850K but it fell out of bed and I suspect the white car that Tommy has can be bought for £850k too. If I was to put an offer in, it would be in that ball park.
As fas at the mechanics of the deal are concerned, I would indeed sell my LP640 and my Mclaren shortly after it arrives.
I drove back in my LP640 which I had valeted yesterday so its gleaming and I'm genuinely torn. I really do love that Lambo and it costs a fraction of the Zonda. I know there are 'technically' better cars but it does make me smile in a way super cars are supposed too. Problem is the Zonda does too. I went with my cousin who definitely thinks I should buy the Pagani and that if I did, I'd probably never sell it.
I'm going to go back and drive it and have a more in depth chat about the mechanics of the deal.
So in conclusion, I'm stil on the fence. Maybe a a blat down the 217 in the sunshine will be all it needs...................
Firstly, it is the car at Romans.
They want £950K for it and it is SOR.
It is in the process of being registered in the UK and will end up on either 57 plate or an 08 plate. A service will also be included which be carried out by Joe Macari.
In answer to the question about the Veyron and Koenigsegg:
Veyron first: I realised that I never really fell in love with the Veyron. I haven't drive it so of course my opinion is uninformed. I realised wanting one was never about liking the car though, it was about what it was to others more than what is was to me. With hindsight, I'm glad I didn't take it further. I'm not saying I never will, but It never stole my heart like the LP640 or the Zonda.
Koenigsegg: As some here will know, I did test drive it and I did like it for being bonkers but there was something missing. I'm no motoring journalist so I won't use a lot of clever metaphor but I didn't covet it and it was a lot of money too.
Back to today.
The car is practically brand new. I didn't drive it. The current owner has apparently expressly forbid anyone from doing so! The salesman wants to go back to him with an offer before organising a test drive. I have made it very clear that I won't even consider buying it without a proper test drive- and I don't mean half a mile up the road!
If one could ever use the word understated to describe the spec of a Zonda F, this would be it. it is certainly the least offensive exterior/interior combo I have seen. A minor thing - with a contrast paint colour, the raw carbon bits really stick out which I like. In this colour way the difference is a lot more subtle. It has a couple of optional extras over and above the norm. They are
Clubsport pack
Carbon Ceramic brakes
Titanium/Inconel Exhaust System
T907F gearbox upgrade.
Most are self explanatory. I'm not sure what a gearbox upgrade is. Dealer didn't seem to be too sure either. Any ideas anyone?
To put it bluntly, it is fantastic and really is a special bit of kit. It was sat next to a Veyron on one side and an Enzo on the other, and I only had eyes for the Pagani.
I think it's too expensive and I expressed that. The sales man disagreed. (of Course). I know Mosi's mate sold his for £850K but it fell out of bed and I suspect the white car that Tommy has can be bought for £850k too. If I was to put an offer in, it would be in that ball park.
As fas at the mechanics of the deal are concerned, I would indeed sell my LP640 and my Mclaren shortly after it arrives.
I drove back in my LP640 which I had valeted yesterday so its gleaming and I'm genuinely torn. I really do love that Lambo and it costs a fraction of the Zonda. I know there are 'technically' better cars but it does make me smile in a way super cars are supposed too. Problem is the Zonda does too. I went with my cousin who definitely thinks I should buy the Pagani and that if I did, I'd probably never sell it.
I'm going to go back and drive it and have a more in depth chat about the mechanics of the deal.
So in conclusion, I'm stil on the fence. Maybe a a blat down the 217 in the sunshine will be all it needs...................
Awesome decision to have to make Lambo FirstBlood said:
Right - just got back so I thought I would give it to you unedited and whilst its fresh in my mind.
Firstly, it is the car at Romans.
They want £950K for it and it is SOR.
It is in the process of being registered in the UK and will end up on either 57 plate or an 08 plate. A service will also be included which be carried out by Joe Macari.
In answer to the question about the Veyron and Koenigsegg:
Veyron first: I realised that I never really fell in love with the Veyron. I haven't drive it so of course my opinion is uninformed. I realised wanting one was never about liking the car though, it was about what it was to others more than what is was to me. With hindsight, I'm glad I didn't take it further. I'm not saying I never will, but It never stole my heart like the LP640 or the Zonda.
Koenigsegg: As some here will know, I did test drive it and I did like it for being bonkers but there was something missing. I'm no motoring journalist so I won't use a lot of clever metaphor but I didn't covet it and it was a lot of money too.
Back to today.
The car is practically brand new. I didn't drive it. The current owner has apparently expressly forbid anyone from doing so! The salesman wants to go back to him with an offer before organising a test drive. I have made it very clear that I won't even consider buying it without a proper test drive- and I don't mean half a mile up the road!
If one could ever use the word understated to describe the spec of a Zonda F, this would be it. it is certainly the least offensive exterior/interior combo I have seen. A minor thing - with a contrast paint colour, the raw carbon bits really stick out which I like. In this colour way the difference is a lot more subtle. It has a couple of optional extras over and above the norm. They are
Clubsport pack
Carbon Ceramic brakes
Titanium/Inconel Exhaust System
T907F gearbox upgrade.
Most are self explanatory. I'm not sure what a gearbox upgrade is. Dealer didn't seem to be too sure either. Any ideas anyone?
To put it bluntly, it is fantastic and really is a special bit of kit. It was sat next to a Veyron on one side and an Enzo on the other, and I only had eyes for the Pagani.
I think it's too expensive and I expressed that. The sales man disagreed. (of Course). I know Mosi's mate sold his for £850K but it fell out of bed and I suspect the white car that Tommy has can be bought for £850k too. If I was to put an offer in, it would be in that ball park.
As fas at the mechanics of the deal are concerned, I would indeed sell my LP640 and my Mclaren shortly after it arrives.
I drove back in my LP640 which I had valeted yesterday so its gleaming and I'm genuinely torn. I really do love that Lambo and it costs a fraction of the Zonda. I know there are 'technically' better cars but it does make me smile in a way super cars are supposed too. Problem is the Zonda does too. I went with my cousin who definitely thinks I should buy the Pagani and that if I did, I'd probably never sell it.
I'm going to go back and drive it and have a more in depth chat about the mechanics of the deal.
So in conclusion, I'm stil on the fence. Maybe a a blat down the 217 in the sunshine will be all it needs...................
Thanks for the update.Firstly, it is the car at Romans.
They want £950K for it and it is SOR.
It is in the process of being registered in the UK and will end up on either 57 plate or an 08 plate. A service will also be included which be carried out by Joe Macari.
In answer to the question about the Veyron and Koenigsegg:
Veyron first: I realised that I never really fell in love with the Veyron. I haven't drive it so of course my opinion is uninformed. I realised wanting one was never about liking the car though, it was about what it was to others more than what is was to me. With hindsight, I'm glad I didn't take it further. I'm not saying I never will, but It never stole my heart like the LP640 or the Zonda.
Koenigsegg: As some here will know, I did test drive it and I did like it for being bonkers but there was something missing. I'm no motoring journalist so I won't use a lot of clever metaphor but I didn't covet it and it was a lot of money too.
Back to today.
The car is practically brand new. I didn't drive it. The current owner has apparently expressly forbid anyone from doing so! The salesman wants to go back to him with an offer before organising a test drive. I have made it very clear that I won't even consider buying it without a proper test drive- and I don't mean half a mile up the road!
If one could ever use the word understated to describe the spec of a Zonda F, this would be it. it is certainly the least offensive exterior/interior combo I have seen. A minor thing - with a contrast paint colour, the raw carbon bits really stick out which I like. In this colour way the difference is a lot more subtle. It has a couple of optional extras over and above the norm. They are
Clubsport pack
Carbon Ceramic brakes
Titanium/Inconel Exhaust System
T907F gearbox upgrade.
Most are self explanatory. I'm not sure what a gearbox upgrade is. Dealer didn't seem to be too sure either. Any ideas anyone?
To put it bluntly, it is fantastic and really is a special bit of kit. It was sat next to a Veyron on one side and an Enzo on the other, and I only had eyes for the Pagani.
I think it's too expensive and I expressed that. The sales man disagreed. (of Course). I know Mosi's mate sold his for £850K but it fell out of bed and I suspect the white car that Tommy has can be bought for £850k too. If I was to put an offer in, it would be in that ball park.
As fas at the mechanics of the deal are concerned, I would indeed sell my LP640 and my Mclaren shortly after it arrives.
I drove back in my LP640 which I had valeted yesterday so its gleaming and I'm genuinely torn. I really do love that Lambo and it costs a fraction of the Zonda. I know there are 'technically' better cars but it does make me smile in a way super cars are supposed too. Problem is the Zonda does too. I went with my cousin who definitely thinks I should buy the Pagani and that if I did, I'd probably never sell it.
I'm going to go back and drive it and have a more in depth chat about the mechanics of the deal.
So in conclusion, I'm stil on the fence. Maybe a a blat down the 217 in the sunshine will be all it needs...................
I did a quick search on Google and could only find one thing about the gearbox. It seems like it's a "close ratio box".
£950k is a *serious* amount of cash. If I were you, I'd keep the LP640 and McLaren. I'd not even want for the Aventador.
All the best, and do keep us updated.
J
Roberty said:
It's a stunning car but seems a huge sacrifice to own it.
Personally I'd rather have 2 or 3 Great cars over 1 slightly greater car.
What do they say about eggs and baskets?
Do keep them all in one basket? Personally I'd rather have 2 or 3 Great cars over 1 slightly greater car.
What do they say about eggs and baskets?
If I didn't have much spare time I'd rather have something REALLY special in the garage than a couple of fairly special cars! The Zonda would definitely match that decision.
I'd also much rather have 1 car that will hold it's value/appreciate than 2 that will depreciate. The Zonda will also match that decision IMO
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