Is a Zonda really worth it?
Discussion
jshell said:
People with assets like these 'may' be getting nervous about the ever-increasing jitteriness in the global markets and economy.
And, the original Zonda, whilst a fabulous machine is not going to age well in the long run.
Yes, it does seem to be a transition stage in the economies at the moment. However the west is improving, and a lot of people will be benefitting from low oil prices. Gold has already dropped massively, but we haven't gone into high interest rates which make the banks preferable due to the low risk associated with them. So at some point the car market is likely to have issues when interest rates start increasing again, but that will apply to any car model.And, the original Zonda, whilst a fabulous machine is not going to age well in the long run.
I would have to disagree - it probably is a pretty good car for aging in the long term. It's known for the attention to detail, and being a good drive. It has good performance, but that wasn't the only selling point. Cars which were mostly about that are more likely to age badly because newer cars improve on that aspect, so the attention to detail will help it stand out a lot. Add to that a new company with a good story behind it, a relatively simple looking car on the outside (for the earlier models) then it shouldn't date too badly visually. Finally, the important follow up car seems to have been a success, so you now remove some of the risk of a small one car company going bust if the second car is a flop. It's also got quite a big cult following.
NRS said:
jshell said:
People with assets like these 'may' be getting nervous about the ever-increasing jitteriness in the global markets and economy.
And, the original Zonda, whilst a fabulous machine is not going to age well in the long run.
Yes, it does seem to be a transition stage in the economies at the moment. However the west is improving, and a lot of people will be benefitting from low oil prices. Gold has already dropped massively, but we haven't gone into high interest rates which make the banks preferable due to the low risk associated with them. So at some point the car market is likely to have issues when interest rates start increasing again, but that will apply to any car model.And, the original Zonda, whilst a fabulous machine is not going to age well in the long run.
I would have to disagree - it probably is a pretty good car for aging in the long term. It's known for the attention to detail, and being a good drive. It has good performance, but that wasn't the only selling point. Cars which were mostly about that are more likely to age badly because newer cars improve on that aspect, so the attention to detail will help it stand out a lot. Add to that a new company with a good story behind it, a relatively simple looking car on the outside (for the earlier models) then it shouldn't date too badly visually. Finally, the important follow up car seems to have been a success, so you now remove some of the risk of a small one car company going bust if the second car is a flop. It's also got quite a big cult following.
TurboTerrific9 said:
I hope someone proves me wrong but I would guess every Zonda currently for sale is SOR.
In fairness to the dealers it's not a zero-cost option for those guys - they will likely have to insure, advertise and find space for it which at some dealers is often an issue.
Also, given that so few transactions actually take place, details of which are largely unknown - if you were in the trade, would you want to step up and purchase a Zonda outright to take into stock? I don't think I'd be comfortable unless it was at a seriously discounted price.
With anything at that value. They will all be SOR.In fairness to the dealers it's not a zero-cost option for those guys - they will likely have to insure, advertise and find space for it which at some dealers is often an issue.
Also, given that so few transactions actually take place, details of which are largely unknown - if you were in the trade, would you want to step up and purchase a Zonda outright to take into stock? I don't think I'd be comfortable unless it was at a seriously discounted price.
Edited by TurboTerrific9 on Friday 28th August 14:42
Streetrod said:
NRS said:
jshell said:
People with assets like these 'may' be getting nervous about the ever-increasing jitteriness in the global markets and economy.
And, the original Zonda, whilst a fabulous machine is not going to age well in the long run.
Yes, it does seem to be a transition stage in the economies at the moment. However the west is improving, and a lot of people will be benefitting from low oil prices. Gold has already dropped massively, but we haven't gone into high interest rates which make the banks preferable due to the low risk associated with them. So at some point the car market is likely to have issues when interest rates start increasing again, but that will apply to any car model.And, the original Zonda, whilst a fabulous machine is not going to age well in the long run.
I would have to disagree - it probably is a pretty good car for aging in the long term. It's known for the attention to detail, and being a good drive. It has good performance, but that wasn't the only selling point. Cars which were mostly about that are more likely to age badly because newer cars improve on that aspect, so the attention to detail will help it stand out a lot. Add to that a new company with a good story behind it, a relatively simple looking car on the outside (for the earlier models) then it shouldn't date too badly visually. Finally, the important follow up car seems to have been a success, so you now remove some of the risk of a small one car company going bust if the second car is a flop. It's also got quite a big cult following.
_Superleggera_ said:
Beefmeister said:
Anyone know how much this one is going for?
Love the colour, almost silver in some pics, plus already registered in the UK is a bonus. I love an unmolested F.
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
1.85M Euro.Love the colour, almost silver in some pics, plus already registered in the UK is a bonus. I love an unmolested F.
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
Edited by Beefmeister on Wednesday 26th August 10:33
jshell said:
Oh they're fabulous, fast, capable and theatrical machines. I'm certainly not 'down' on them but a recent poster's view in terms of them being slight 'kit-carish' made me think about the long term aesthetics. All personal taste, of course, but I prefer the newer models.
I can understand about you preferring something else, but as a generalization they are not viewed as "kit car" like, and are generally loved on from the outside. If anything the finish is as different as you can get with a car. The inside is certainly more love/ hate though.However you mention the long term aesthetics - the earlier cars are the most simple, and that will date them less. Simpler form = better aesthetics long term. I would say a lot of other cars will date far worse, particularly with the overstyling you see on current cars with all the vents etc. The design is already over 15 years old and doesn't look dated in regards to the shape. The only thing dating it is the lack of vents throughout the body, which is a good thing long term. I can understand on a personal level people not liking them, but look at the general perception and it tends to be far more positive.
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andrew said:
even with the coal powered hypercar trinity parked next to it yesterday, one car stood above all the others
Instagram, Facebook, Twitter and any other Social ph'ers tend not to like have shown various pictures and videos of the event and car collections and I couldn't agree more with the above (assuming that's what you meant Andrew) statement.The original zonda next to the 'latest 3' just looks so much better as a package! The 'noir' looked and sounds perfect!
_Superleggera_ said:
Beefmeister said:
IMO Gavin's F was almost perfect. Was never a fan of the snorkel things on the rear deck, but other than those it was amazing.
Great pic by Alex Penfold:
That is stunning.Great pic by Alex Penfold:
Hi, I'm from the future. All of you saying Zondas are overpriced should look at the prices now. The Rosso Dubai car owned by @turboterrific9 sold to a collector in Houston Texas and was supposedly sold for $5-$8 million. Lewis Hamilton sold his car to a welsh person for around $11 million. The new owner crashed it and it is currently being rebuilt. Anyone who said an F was overpriced at $1.5 million at the time might reconsider their statement now. We now have 140 confirmed cars with more being converted or being built as of early 2024. It is fascinating to read this thread about the prices and appreciation of Zondas and overall how people felt before they realized just how special Pagani is. It's the only car that comes to mind when someone says think of your poster car from your dreams.
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