Planes, Games and Automobiles at Goodwood

Planes, Games and Automobiles at Goodwood

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RedSpike66

2,336 posts

213 months

Thursday 24th May 2012
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SimonJW said:
Mike,

Great news about your Sagaris, thanks. smile
I've ordered the Silencers, and they've guaranteed them to be here before end May..

carspath

835 posts

178 months

Friday 25th May 2012
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dear baz/simon,

i have had difficulty adding my name/car to this list, and would be grateful if you could do so on my behalf

i would like to bring a 1994 ferrari 355 gtb for the static display please

thank-you

path

knight

5,207 posts

280 months

Friday 25th May 2012
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I tried mailing you as well but it bounced back.

MrChips

3,264 posts

211 months

Friday 25th May 2012
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baz995 said:
Can everyone on here that has expressed a preference to do Dream Rides please contact ASAP on bazfirth@talktalk.com. I have the packs ready to email out and need your contact details. Please be aware that the Sporting Bears now need confirmation from your insurer (email or letter but printed off and with you on the day) that they are aware you are doing Dream Rides.
Hi Baz,
I'm getting a bounce back from your email too but I'm definitely coming and happy to take part in the dream rides bit. Spoke to my insurer and they're not sure what it is you need in writing as the certificate will show I'm covered (so long as it's not for "profit") which doing it for charity isn't.
Can u clarify what you need, or provide some wording etc for me to forward onto them?
They're already aware of sporting bears and have loads of clients that take part but this is the first they've been asked for something in writing.

Really looking to this event now.
For anyone thinking of staying down there... Goodwood House hotel has some nice offers on!

RedSpike66

2,336 posts

213 months

Friday 25th May 2012
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MrChips said:
baz995 said:
Can everyone on here that has expressed a preference to do Dream Rides please contact ASAP on bazfirth@talktalk.com. I have the packs ready to email out and need your contact details. Please be aware that the Sporting Bears now need confirmation from your insurer (email or letter but printed off and with you on the day) that they are aware you are doing Dream Rides.
Hi Baz,
I'm getting a bounce back from your email too but I'm definitely coming and happy to take part in the dream rides bit. Spoke to my insurer and they're not sure what it is you need in writing as the certificate will show I'm covered (so long as it's not for "profit") which doing it for charity isn't.
Can u clarify what you need, or provide some wording etc for me to forward onto them?
They're already aware of sporting bears and have loads of clients that take part but this is the first they've been asked for something in writing.

Really looking to this event now.
For anyone thinking of staying down there... Goodwood House hotel has some nice offers on!
Me too Baz, put my name down for passengert rides on the track so need to know what my insurers need to know and what you need in return..

Chris200

591 posts

238 months

Friday 25th May 2012
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Just booked myself in for the full day track day.

Simon, I have e-mailed you my booking form and a copy of the Just Giving payment page. Please confim when received.

I have also added in my name below.

Name Car Static Track Day Booking Track - Paying Passenger Rides Dream Rides
SimonJW Noble M12 (maybe) . . Yes - All Day - If ready .
--"----"-- Ferrari 355 GTS Yes - All Day . Too loud frown .
Air Support Noble M12 3R . . Yes - All Day .
AMGMerc Noble M12 3R or Porsche . . Yes - All Day .
Edar Impreza . . Too loud Yes all day
BobT TVR Typhon . @103db too loud Too loud frown Maybe?
Bruce McLaren MP4-12C . . Yes - All day .
F355GTS 599 Yes . . .
Andy Ultima GTR . . if silencers work if not
Tim 250GT Lusso or 550 Maranello . . Yes - All day - dB level permitting .
Rich 308 gt4 . . Yes - All day - dB level permitting .
Ian Dax Rush Yes Maybe depending on noise level If required depending on noise Yes
clivef TVR Sagaris yes AM possibly . yes in afternoon
Fat Boy Chim TVR Chim Yes Possibly, 99db @ 1mtr If allowed due to noise .
Macey TVR Tuscan Yes Too Noisy Too Noisy .
Don1 TVR Sagaris or Tamora Yes Possibly too noisy on car Love to, but noise... .
knight TVR Cerbera Yes No . Would love to
steviejasp TVR Cerbera Yes No Too loud 2 or 3 in afternoon possibly
Redspike66 TVR Sagaris Prob On Track smile Yes Yes Prob Not
JackLM Marcos LM . . Yes for one or two sessions dB permitting Yes all day
buzzter Spire GTR . . Yes with added silencer! .
Paul F360 or NSX . . . Yes
FastRich TVR Chimera 450 Yes . . Yes 2-3
MrChips TVR Tuscan 2S . . Yes if pass the noise test Yes
draeburn Nissan GT-R (no mods) . Do I need this if doing paying passenger? Yes Yes
djtex BMW Z4 35i M-Sport . . Yes Yes
gsd2000 Vauxhall Monaro . . Maybe with the quiet exhaust Yes all day
Dave2P Noble M12 3R . . Yes If too noisy for track
venusdimilo TVRChimaera 450TF Yes . 2-3 .
Chris200 Evo 8 MR FQ340 . Yes Maybe .



draeburn

41 posts

167 months

Saturday 26th May 2012
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RedSpike66 said:
Me too Baz, put my name down for passengert rides on the track so need to know what my insurers need to know and what you need in return..
And me Baz, I get this:

The message has not yet been delivered to the following addresses:
<bazfirth@talktalk.com>
host talktalk.com[205.178.189.129]:
connection to mail exchanger failed with timeout


What exactly do I need to tell the insurers for both track and dream rides? Also, I presume I am required to get track day insurance if I am giving rides but is the passenger covered? Finally, are there helmets being provided for passengers? also, not had any email from you about timings, meeting points, etc.

This is my first one of these, so apologies if I am getting over excited!

edar

463 posts

192 months

Saturday 26th May 2012
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For those who are querying what information is required from your insurance company reference the Dream Ride event for both the Goodwood day on the 4th June and any other future events through the Sporting Bears, perhaps I could help. I have just received a letter from my insurance company clarifying that I am legally covered taking passengers in my own car for Dream Ride events. Do bear in mind to tell your company what you intend to do with the Sporting Bears reference the Dream Ride events and give them some background on the club to show that you do not benefit financially in any way. I do know that some will not cover this, and that track use is not covered anyway.

The letter reads as follows:

We confirm that your policy covers voluntary driving, including carrying passengers for which mileage allowance may be received, provided such expenses are claimed on a non-profit basis. The policy also contains a clause indemnifying the agencies with which you are a volunteer against third party claims arising from the use of the car on such voluntary work.

They also said that as long as I'm not financially benefiting from taking part, then I am allowed to carry passengers and will be covered in case of any incident.

This all comes about reference another driver carrying a passenger in a past Dream Ride event and being stopped by the police. On producing his insurance documents, they found that he wasn't covered under the terms and conditions of his policy - we all know what the consequences are when you're not insured on a road-side stop.

As long as your insurance company can send you a letter clarifying that you are legally covered, then you just need to show this to the organisers on any Dream Ride event.

As for the track rides at Goodwood on the 4th June, the vast majority of insurance companies won't cover you for track use anyway, so you'll need the relevant cover for this.

I hope that helps anyone looking at getting clarification from your insurance company.

Edited by edar on Saturday 26th May 16:25

baz995

Original Poster:

390 posts

165 months

Saturday 26th May 2012
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thanks for getting in touch mates, and no need to submit any paperwork for wk organiser of the year or numpty of the week award! my email is bazfirth@talktalk.net

Jeeeees what a duffer eh! please drop me a line and I will get everything sorted, i thought it was quiet lol

thanks for your patience.

baz995

Original Poster:

390 posts

165 months

Saturday 26th May 2012
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In fact due to expedience I have listed everything you need to let your insurance know, please cut and paste as required in advance of any emails from myself.

SPORTING BEARS DREAM RIDES

How the Event Runs

People donating to the charity collection at the show will be offered a free demonstration passenger ride in the car of their choice.

Cars taking part will be presented at the show offering a number of rides. These will be allocated by the Rides organisers.

Passengers accepting the offer of a ride will complete a signed disclaimer acknowledging that liability is limited to normal passenger insurance cover.

The Rides will start and finish in an area inside the Show. This area will be controlled and marshalled by Sporting Bears members. It will also be the display parking provided for the cars taking part.

The Rides take place entirely on the public roads. Drivers will decide the route they follow and are expected to drive responsibly and obey all traffic laws including speed limits.

There is no competitive or timed element to these demonstration rides.

Drivers will not receive any reward for providing the rides other than the thanks of all concerned. They will play no part in the collection or management of the charity donations.

All the money raised will go to the children’s charities agreed by the Sporting Bears Motor Club

Drivers are expected to obey the instructions of those marshalling the activity particularly in relation to the movement of cars.

Dream Rides are organised and run, as an official event, by the Sporting Bears Motor Club who are registered with the MSA

The club has public liability insurance cover of £5 million pounds

Sporting Bears have a recognised Child protection officer and relevant policy and procedures in this respect.

baz995

Original Poster:

390 posts

165 months

Saturday 26th May 2012
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edar said:
For those who are querying what information is required from your insurance company reference the Dream Ride event for both the Goodwood day on the 4th June and any other future events through the Sporting Bears, perhaps I could help. I have just received a letter from my insurance company clarifying that I am legally covered taking passengers in my own car for Dream Ride events. Do bear in mind to tell your company what you intend to do with the Sporting Bears reference the Dream Ride events and give them some background on the club to show that you do not benefit financially in any way. I do know that some will not cover this, and that track use is not covered anyway.

The letter reads as follows:

We confirm that your policy covers voluntary driving, including carrying passengers for which mileage allowance may be received, provided such expenses are claimed on a non-profit basis. The policy also contains a clause indemnifying the agencies with which you are a volunteer against third party claims arising from the use of the car on such voluntary work.

They also said that as long as I'm not financially benefiting from taking part, then I am allowed to carry passengers and will be covered in case of any incident.

This all comes about reference another driver carrying a passenger in a past Dream Ride event and being stopped by the police. On producing his insurance documents, they found that he wasn't covered under the terms and conditions of his policy - we all know what the consequences are when you're not insured on a road-side stop.

As long as your insurance company can send you a letter clarifying that you are legally covered, then you just need to show this to the organisers on any Dream Ride event.

As for the track rides at Goodwood on the 4th June, the vast majority of insurance companies won't cover you for track use anyway, so you'll need the relevant cover for this.

I hope that helps anyone looking at getting clarification from your insurance company.

Edited by edar on Saturday 26th May 16:25
Thanks mate ;-)

azrael

29 posts

201 months

Monday 28th May 2012
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Name Car Static Track Day Booking Track - Paying Passenger Rides Dream Rides
SimonJW Noble M12 (maybe) . . Yes - All Day - If ready .
--"----"-- Ferrari 355 GTS Yes - All Day . Too loud frown .
Air Support Noble M12 3R . . Yes - All Day .
AMGMerc Noble M12 3R or Porsche . . Yes - All Day .
Edar Impreza . . Too loud Yes all day
BobT TVR Typhon . @103db too loud Too loud frown Maybe?
Bruce McLaren MP4-12C . . Yes - All day .
F355GTS 599 Yes . . .
Andy Ultima GTR . . if silencers work if not
Tim 250GT Lusso or 550 Maranello . . Yes - All day - dB level permitting .
Rich 308 gt4 . . Yes - All day - dB level permitting .
Ian Dax Rush Yes Maybe depending on noise level If required depending on noise Yes
clivef TVR Sagaris yes AM possibly . yes in afternoon
Fat Boy Chim TVR Chim Yes Possibly, 99db @ 1mtr If allowed due to noise .
Macey TVR Tuscan Yes Too Noisy Too Noisy .
Don1 TVR Sagaris or Tamora Yes Possibly too noisy on car Love to, but noise... .
knight TVR Cerbera Yes No . Would love to
steviejasp TVR Cerbera Yes No Too loud 2 or 3 in afternoon possibly
Redspike66 TVR Sagaris Prob On Track smile Yes Yes Prob Not
JackLM Marcos LM . . Yes for one or two sessions dB permitting Yes all day
buzzter Spire GTR . . Yes with added silencer! .
Paul F360 or NSX . . . Yes
FastRich TVR Chimera 450 Yes . . Yes 2-3
MrChips TVR Tuscan 2S . . Yes if pass the noise test Yes
draeburn Nissan GT-R (no mods) . Do I need this if doing paying passenger? Yes Yes
djtex BMW Z4 35i M-Sport . . Yes Yes
gsd2000 Vauxhall Monaro . . Maybe with the quiet exhaust Yes all day
Dave2P Noble M12 3R . . Yes If too noisy for track
venusdimilo TVRChimaera 450TF Yes . 2-3 .
Chris200 Evo 8 MR FQ340 . Yes Maybe .
Azrael E46 CSL . Yes Yes .


SportingBearsMax

237 posts

182 months

Monday 28th May 2012
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Hi all,

really excited to be coming down to this event and helping Sporting Bears Dream Rides, to clarify the points.

Insurance - Baz has aleady listed the points to tell your insurers above, so that they can undertstand that road going Dream Rides are no greater risk than going to the shop for a loaf of bread. It is advised that the activity is clearly stated as Sporting Bears Dream Rides as several insurers such as Footman James, Peter James and Competition Car Insurance will instantly know Sporting Bears and confirm cover.

The cover is no more than the wording provided above or the phrase Giving passenger rides as part of the Sporting Bears Dream Rides activity on the public highway. Track cover is seperate and is negotiated on a policy by policy basis generally and a seperate conversation.

Drivers and passengers, please be assured that although the wording in the above letter is from an insurer, this clarifies the legal position on expenses for the policy. The fact is that every driver receives lots of thank yous and smiles but not a single penny, from donations or admin or expenses. This means the membership for Sporting Bears members allows he club to operate under the protection of Public Liability cover for the show and produce a quarterly club magazine. We all volunteer our time, fuel and hotel bills to enable the childrens charities to receive 100% of the public donations.

So while at PGA on Monday, enjoy the track cars, enjoy the static cars, enjoy the Dream Ride cars, enjoy he helicopter rides, enjoy the craft stalls, enjoy the suprise bits but most of all enjoy yourself!

MrChips

3,264 posts

211 months

Monday 28th May 2012
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Thanks guys, Baz.... yhm smile

Anyone else staying locally on the Sunday night? I've booked into the Goodwood hotel as there's a decent offer on, so planning on doing the Breakfast Club on Sunday morning so it seemed stupid to drive home and back!

baz995

Original Poster:

390 posts

165 months

Monday 28th May 2012
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Well, what can I say. With less than a week to go until Planes, Games & Automobiles at Goodwood I am proud to say that with the offline fund raising and the Virgin Giving page we are now at:

£8677 raised.

Many, many thanks to everyone for your support and generosity and for those still undecided that can make it, we now have over 170 cars attending, there are track rides and Dream Rides off circuit, helicopter flights, military band and a host of other attractions for petrolheads and the whole family :-)

For those that can't make it, perhaps you can spare a few pounds to help the disabled children and the ones that have tragically lost their parents in Afghanistan that we support

http://uk.virginmoneygiving.com/fundraiser-web/fun...

PoleDriver

28,649 posts

195 months

Monday 28th May 2012
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Name Car Static Track Day Booking Track - Paying Passenger Rides Dream Rides
SimonJW Noble M12 (maybe) . . Yes - All Day - If ready .
--"----"-- Ferrari 355 GTS Yes - All Day . Too loud frown .
Air Support Noble M12 3R . . Yes - All Day .
AMGMerc Noble M12 3R or Porsche . . Yes - All Day .
Edar Impreza . . Too loud Yes all day
BobT TVR Typhon . @103db too loud Too loud frown Maybe?
Bruce McLaren MP4-12C . . Yes - All day .
F355GTS 599 Yes . . .
Andy Ultima GTR . . if silencers work if not
Tim 250GT Lusso or 550 Maranello . . Yes - All day - dB level permitting .
Rich 308 gt4 . . Yes - All day - dB level permitting .
Ian Dax Rush Yes Maybe depending on noise level If required depending on noise Yes
clivef TVR Sagaris yes AM possibly . yes in afternoon
Fat Boy Chim TVR Chim Yes Possibly, 99db @ 1mtr If allowed due to noise .
Macey TVR Tuscan Yes Too Noisy Too Noisy .
Don1 TVR Sagaris or Tamora Yes Possibly too noisy on car Love to, but noise... .
knight TVR Cerbera Yes No . Would love to
steviejasp TVR Cerbera Yes No Too loud 2 or 3 in afternoon possibly
Redspike66 TVR Sagaris Prob On Track smile Yes Yes Prob Not
JackLM Marcos LM . . Yes for one or two sessions dB permitting Yes all day
buzzter Spire GTR . . Yes with added silencer! .
Paul F360 or NSX . . . Yes
FastRich TVR Chimera 450 Yes . . Yes 2-3
MrChips TVR Tuscan 2S . . Yes if pass the noise test Yes
draeburn Nissan GT-R (no mods) . Do I need this if doing paying passenger? Yes Yes
djtex BMW Z4 35i M-Sport . . Yes Yes
gsd2000 Vauxhall Monaro . . Maybe with the quiet exhaust Yes all day
Dave2P Noble M12 3R . . Yes If too noisy for track
venusdimilo TVRChimaera 450TF Yes . 2-3 .
Chris200 Evo 8 MR FQ340 . Yes Maybe .
Azrael E46 CSL . Yes Yes .
PoleDriver TVR Cerbera Yes No Far Too loud Be rude not to!



Edited by PoleDriver on Monday 28th May 23:06

SimonJW

779 posts

238 months

Tuesday 29th May 2012
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SportingBearsMax said:
Hi all,

really excited to be coming down to this event and helping Sporting Bears Dream Rides, to clarify the points.

Insurance - Baz has aleady listed the points to tell your insurers above, so that they can undertstand that road going Dream Rides are no greater risk than going to the shop for a loaf of bread. It is advised that the activity is clearly stated as Sporting Bears Dream Rides as several insurers such as Footman James, Peter James and Competition Car Insurance will instantly know Sporting Bears and confirm cover.

The cover is no more than the wording provided above or the phrase Giving passenger rides as part of the Sporting Bears Dream Rides activity on the public highway. Track cover is seperate and is negotiated on a policy by policy basis generally and a seperate conversation.

Drivers and passengers, please be assured that although the wording in the above letter is from an insurer, this clarifies the legal position on expenses for the policy. The fact is that every driver receives lots of thank yous and smiles but not a single penny, from donations or admin or expenses. This means the membership for Sporting Bears members allows he club to operate under the protection of Public Liability cover for the show and produce a quarterly club magazine. We all volunteer our time, fuel and hotel bills to enable the childrens charities to receive 100% of the public donations.

So while at PGA on Monday, enjoy the track cars, enjoy the static cars, enjoy the Dream Ride cars, enjoy he helicopter rides, enjoy the craft stalls, enjoy the suprise bits but most of all enjoy yourself!
Nicely said Max! smile

azrael

29 posts

201 months

Tuesday 29th May 2012
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Is it possible to have the details for the trackday sent. I tried emailing Simon & Baz. Only asking in case I have been junk mailed smile

draeburn

41 posts

167 months

Tuesday 29th May 2012
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Hi everyone,

I just got off the phone to Admiral and they told me that for the Dream Rides the passenger is NOT covered, because my policy is social and commuting, and this would be classified as business use. I explained that there is no reward and therefore this is not for any business purpose, but they have categorically informed me that in the event of any accident my passenger would not be covered. The car and myself would be, however.

In order to have the passenger covered, they would want me to upgrade my policy to full business use for the entire duration of the policy, which would be over £200!

So my question is, do passengers sign a disclaimer of any sort, or would they expect to be covered by the drivers insurance, because if not then I'm afraid I will have to withdraw from this, and all other Dream Rides. frown

d

EDIT: I also have asked about passenger insurance for the track, using MORIS and they will only cover a named passenger, and need all the details in advance. So again, will there be a disclaimer that the passenger will NOT be covered for personal accident insurance?



Edited by draeburn on Tuesday 29th May 10:52


Edited by draeburn on Tuesday 29th May 12:46

SimonJW

779 posts

238 months

Tuesday 29th May 2012
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azrael said:
Is it possible to have the details for the trackday sent. I tried emailing Simon & Baz. Only asking in case I have been junk mailed smile
YHM. smile