Rallye des Jonquilles 2014

Rallye des Jonquilles 2014

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benjj

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6,787 posts

164 months

Monday 13th January 2014
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The Crack Fox said:
benjj said:
As for the groups, have a look at Bruno's site here, it gives all the entries (scroll down)

http://www.lagrangeauxdamiers.com/categorie-102301...
I'm in the McRae catagory then. First time I've done this, I'm in probably the slowest car in the catagory, with a 10 year old girl navigating. Neither of us speak French. This should be fun biggrin
Your little lady will have a fab time. As said right at the beginning of this thread I did it in 2012 with my wife navigating and our two daughters in the back. The eldest was 4, the little one was 3 months smile

At each time control I would leap out to have our roadbook stamped, the wife would breast feed the baby and my 4 year old would be fed a snack by the lovely French ladies at each stop. Not a problem.

PawnSacrifice

101 posts

160 months

Monday 13th January 2014
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The Crack Fox said:
First time I've done this, I'm in probably the slowest car in the catagory, with a 10 year old girl navigating.
Ha... slowest... go back a couple generations from your car and you get mine! But yes, we will have fun.

Rochester TVR

3,313 posts

207 months

Monday 13th January 2014
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I'm in the Colin McRea group aswell... worryingly it looks like I have one of the most powerful cars in the group. This is going to make it even more embarrassing once we come home dead last after getting hopelessly lost just 2 miles into the rally, having a huge argument and end up following some french farmer thinking 'he must know the way'...

Even so, it will be a great weekend smile

Does anyone know what is the time gap between each car setting off?

benjj

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6,787 posts

164 months

Monday 13th January 2014
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Rochester TVR said:
I'm in the Colin McRea group aswell... worryingly it looks like I have one of the most powerful cars in the group. This is going to make it even more embarrassing once we come home dead last after getting hopelessly lost just 2 miles into the rally, having a huge argument and end up following some french farmer thinking 'he must know the way'...

Even so, it will be a great weekend smile

Does anyone know what is the time gap between each car setting off?
Usually 30 or 60 seconds, no more.

Oh, the winning car from your class last year. They're running with you.



No, sadly I'm not joking.

Madscanner

536 posts

195 months

Monday 13th January 2014
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benjj said:
You still interested in a nav seat?
If Moribund is not, I still am...

benjj

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6,787 posts

164 months

Monday 13th January 2014
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Madscanner said:
If Moribund is not, I still am...
Noted, may have an update on free seats over the next day or so.

moribund

4,033 posts

215 months

Monday 13th January 2014
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Cheers Ben, that's a fine offer but I'll pass - driving is the thing for me!

dempsey

297 posts

211 months

Tuesday 14th January 2014
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benjj said:
Lastly a note for first timers: make sure your navigator has some kit to hand - a few pens and pencils and so on, highlighters are handy for marking off your progress so you can still see the instructions.
Any more navigating tips for first timers? -
Map of the area (which is best - Michelin, IGN?)
SatNav (is this cheating?)

Will we get the Route Instructions beforehand?

benjj

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164 months

Tuesday 14th January 2014
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dempsey said:
benjj said:
Lastly a note for first timers: make sure your navigator has some kit to hand - a few pens and pencils and so on, highlighters are handy for marking off your progress so you can still see the instructions.
Any more navigating tips for first timers? -
Map of the area (which is best - Michelin, IGN?)
SatNav (is this cheating?)

Will we get the Route Instructions beforehand?
f you look towards the beginning of this thread you'll see an example of the actual roadbook from the 2012 RdJ. This is illustrative of the whole thing.

SatNav totally and utterly verboten. By all means use it to get down there, I will be, but then removed and tucked away somewhere you can't get at it.

Map wise I'll probably just sling in a large format France map. If you do it right you just use the roadbook for everything.

As for general navigating tips, will write something up and post it here later.

Madscanner

536 posts

195 months

Wednesday 15th January 2014
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benjj said:
Noted, may have an update on free seats over the next day or so.
Cheers.

PawnSacrifice

101 posts

160 months

Friday 17th January 2014
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Navigator confirmed and Ibis booked, just for Saturday, travelling home Sunday evening.

Mate said he would polish up his map reading skills, told him not to worry and send him a copy of the pace notes...
"Pace notes?!! OMG! I thought it was going to be a genteel bumble along country lanes."

Too early to call on that one.

LordBretSinclair

4,288 posts

178 months

Friday 17th January 2014
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I see the 160 entry list has now been reached - we did well to get in early and great that so many of us are at the Ibis. I just hope our heads aren't too sore on the Sunday morning!!!!!!

Thanks again to Ben for the heads up smile

benjj

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6,787 posts

164 months

Saturday 18th January 2014
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Ladies & gents, a few little updates:

1) Seat wanted for Mission Motorsport navigator

I am looking for a free seat in one of the PH cars for a Mission Motorsport navigator. I'll be running with an MM guy, as will Jim Cameron (Tankslider) in his 911. For anyone interested you'll receive the cream of the British Forces, a spooky ability to read maps and routebooks, utter fearlessness while hammering along and you'll almost certainly learn a few new swear words.

The MM beneficiary will be arriving in Arras with the MM team so you don't have to consider the logistics of the crossing etc. Likewise he'll have his own billet in the Ibis so no need to share a room.

Please drop me a line asap if you're willing to help, PM here on PH or on ben.williams@bjjw.com.

2) Restaurant booking

A few people have asked about booking something for some tuck. The bar we're meeting in at 18.00 looks like they do some nice stuff at reasonable prices so I suggest we book there. I'm quite happy to make a group booking but we'll need to act fast as Arras is quickly filling up that weekend with around 320 of us rallying + support crews, marshals etc. I propose a booking at 20.00 for a nosebag and then we can get back outside and on the outside of a few more light ales. Please let me know by copy and pasting this bit of the thread below

Dinner booking at 20.00

Benjj - 1 place

3) Navigating

I'll post up a few tips in an hour or so below.

LordBretSinclair

4,288 posts

178 months

Saturday 18th January 2014
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Dinner booking at 20.00

Benjj - 1 place
LordBretSinclair - 2

Keep it stiff

1,773 posts

174 months

Saturday 18th January 2014
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LordBretSinclair said:
Dinner booking at 20.00

Benjj - 1 place
LordBretSinclair - 2
Add Mike & Phil to the list please.

Rochester TVR

3,313 posts

207 months

Saturday 18th January 2014
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Can't help with the nav seat here. Sorry. Very much up for dinner though... Cheers. Lee


Dinner booking at 20.00

Benjj - 1 place
LordBretSinclair - 2
Keep it stiff - 2
Rochester TVR - 2

early_911

76 posts

199 months

Monday 20th January 2014
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Dinner booking at 20.00

Benjj - 1 place
LordBretSinclair - 2
Keep it stiff - 2
Rochester TVR - 2
early_911 - 2

benjj

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6,787 posts

164 months

Tuesday 28th January 2014
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Navigating on the Rallye des Jonquilles

Ok, sorry about the slight delay in writing this up but hopefully it'll help a few people.

Firstly the rally is not timed - it is a navigational competition. This means that in order to do well you need to get the route bang on at every stage.

At signing on you will receive a bunch of stuff, most notably your roadbook and your time cards. The roadbook is explained below, the time cards will be the ones you hand to the marshals at the start/end of each stage and will have spaces on them to fill in on route with any questions/code boards that are required to complete the stage. Some of this may be in sealed envelopes that you are only allowed to open once you start a stage in view of a marshal.

The roadbook is laid out as below (this is an actual RdJ roadbook from 2012). Reading left to right you can see as follows:





1) Total distance - this is the accumulated distance from the start of the stage (there are 3 on the day) to the end of the stage. Those of you NOT using measuring equipment (Brantz, Halda etc) will probably be using this minute by minute unless something goes wrong.

2) Inter distance - this is the distance from one turn/instruction to the next. These are very useful if you do go wrong and need to backtrack to a known point/position. If you do do this then you can use these inter distances to finish the stage.

3) Tulip diagram of instruction - these are pretty easy to get your head around. You are always approaching from the bottom of the box, the arrow is your destination. It'll show junctions, other roads etc. These will almost always be struck through (the French style is by two lines striking out the road(s) you don't want.) They can also show the village signs (the sort of 'Welcome to XYZ' etc) where you simply stay on route unless instructed otherwise.

4) Info 1 - these will be notable road signs or general points of reference.

5) Info 2 - These are generally used to illustrate the names of towns or other info on road signs.

6) Notes - Misc info, sometimes telling you that this route was used on a famous historic rally and other interesting info.

Using your roadbook:

The really key thing for any navigator, in addition to getting the route correct, is to keep notes of where you have been. I'd advise you to pack a specific nav bag including a few pencils, pens, highlighters etc. It is important for the nav to strike through or mark each instruction off as you make progress (you can see where my wife struck through in the above photos). If/when it all goes tits up this can be a very useful aid to getting back to a place you know is correct and carrying on.

Time cards, code boards and other bits:

In order to ensure that you take precisely the right route there are also a few things that rally organisers like to throw in. The first is code boards. These are typically black on white boards A5/A4 size put on little posts on the side of the road. They can have anything written on them: name of a town/place/name etc or sometimes just a code (eg ABC123). You need to enter this information into your time card as you go along.

Secondly (and hardest) are the photo questions. Typically they work like this: you receive an A4 sheet which has about 10 photos on it - these can be anything - houses/monuments/fountains etc. These can be used in a number of ways. Sometimes you may be asked to fill in the villages that the photos are taken in. Sometimes they will ask you to select the photo that you DID NOT see. These are always clearly explained.

That's about it really. Remember that EVERYTHING will be explained for you on the roadbook/timecard. It is your responsibility to read, understand it and do it! Don't assume that the car in front of you is doing it right, make your own decisions and crack on as fast as you can.

Bon route.

Rochester TVR

3,313 posts

207 months

Tuesday 28th January 2014
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I predict the atmosphere in my car will be as follows...

biggrinwoohoodrivingreadconfusedarguepunchcoptumbleweedreaditideabiggrindrivinghehedrinkbeer

PawnSacrifice

101 posts

160 months

Tuesday 28th January 2014
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Excellent work Ben, thanks for sorting that. My navigator will be pleased about the lack of timing as a) I won't be going stupid and b) there's no reason not to have cigarette breaks mid stage!

Rochester TVR, genius.