The Supercar Event
Discussion
stain said:
Don't know what caused that Tuscan to go off but that is not the sort of experience the public are paying for. The car was a mess afterwards and won't be a cheap fix.
For the record the passenger was ecstatic he had been in an "off" 
Sadly there was a small pile of tyres marking braking yard signage, if the car had gone 2ft either side of the tyres all would have ended well but sadly luck was not with them.
The Driver was not driving recklessly, but a braking balance issue caused the rear end to slide out.
There have been other years where the mist has come down on a few drivers going into the corners and contact has been made.
Biggest problem for some of the new drivers is not knowing the correct overtaking areas, it's not helped by the small map that is held up at the Drivers briefing and no names of corners.
People were getting confused with the two small straights, believing the small straight was AFTER Follow through and the first chicane! (not before it).
If the corners were actually named and you were told "only overtake After Follow through and the first chicane, there would be a lot less confusion.
All this info has now been given to the organisers, who in my book still did a bloody great job over the whole weekend.
Even in previous years with the big map there was still lots of rule breaking. Normally the driving improves throughout the day as the idiots are sent home, and the others get the racing out of their system. But I didn't enjoy it much this time around compared to previous years so I will sit it out in future.
There were several problems:
1) letting the old Jag/SLK out (same owner). Who wants to pay £35 for a ride in an SLK anyway? They are both way too slow causing traffic jams and for rides to end up at pedestrian pace, especially into corners.
2) Slow drivers going wide after the Follow Through to allow people to overtake were still on full throttle a lot of the time, so by the time you got level you were nearing the chicane and it ended up being a dangerous bottleneck.
In fact the chicane after follow through needs to be redesigned, it's just too dangerously wide tempting people to all go for it from all different angles.
1) letting the old Jag/SLK out (same owner). Who wants to pay £35 for a ride in an SLK anyway? They are both way too slow causing traffic jams and for rides to end up at pedestrian pace, especially into corners.
2) Slow drivers going wide after the Follow Through to allow people to overtake were still on full throttle a lot of the time, so by the time you got level you were nearing the chicane and it ended up being a dangerous bottleneck.
In fact the chicane after follow through needs to be redesigned, it's just too dangerously wide tempting people to all go for it from all different angles.
Mousem40 said:
In fact the chicane after follow through needs to be redesigned, it's just too dangerously wide tempting people to all go for it from all different angles.
Personally I thought it was good this year 
(it allowed a get out of jail card if anything went wrong, IE, Brake fluid boiling causing brake fade)Your comment about Tempting people to ALL GO FOR IT should not have been a problem if they had listened to the drivers briefing
It was clearly stated that as soon as one car starts to brake "that indicates a no overtaking zone" Sadly people did not always pay attention to that rule.
Totally agree about the old Green Jag and the CLK, very nice of the owner to donate his time and fuel but if I had paid for a Supercar ride I would not be happy in either of those! Some people snub my car too, they change their mind after they get out
Edited by fatboy18 on Monday 22 June 20:04
Great fun on Sunday with the Caterham group.
Most of the passengers get a surprise from our funny little cars :-)
Agree with A3 / M25 ..... more than 2hrs for my drive home Sunday evening :-(
Thanks to whoever this driver is ... made my sons day ..pity about the 70mph with kids :-)
PS he would like to know exactly what model the car is as he forgot to ask (or remember if he did ask !!) in his excitement.
Most of the passengers get a surprise from our funny little cars :-)
Agree with A3 / M25 ..... more than 2hrs for my drive home Sunday evening :-(
Thanks to whoever this driver is ... made my sons day ..pity about the 70mph with kids :-)
PS he would like to know exactly what model the car is as he forgot to ask (or remember if he did ask !!) in his excitement.
Edited by Steve Campbell on Monday 22 June 20:40
i think that by and large the driving standards weren't dissimilar to most of the previous years. Only 1 incident with a brake issue causing an excursion. All generally pretty good IMO bar the odd individual :-)
I was a bit conscious of the old E-Type holding the modern cars up, but as long as you're mindful of the quick cars you give them plenty of room to move past. A bigger issue was cars travelling very slowly in the bends
On board
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsMDjEK8al0
I think going forward that maybe the pre 1980? "Classics" are only on track for four 30 min slots across the day - mixed with the modern cars. Most of the day would see just modern machinery on track?
I was a bit conscious of the old E-Type holding the modern cars up, but as long as you're mindful of the quick cars you give them plenty of room to move past. A bigger issue was cars travelling very slowly in the bends
On board
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsMDjEK8al0
I think going forward that maybe the pre 1980? "Classics" are only on track for four 30 min slots across the day - mixed with the modern cars. Most of the day would see just modern machinery on track?
Edited by Candellara on Monday 22 June 21:43
I think with ref to the green Jag maybe some people were more than happy to go in it, who knows but I have to agree it's not a "Supercar" experience. What about the old silver thing (no idea what it was) certainly was no quicker but I would have quite liked to have a ride in it. (have to agree with the SLK though)
I thought the lay out was good and I always waved drivers past who looked like they wanted to pass, appreciate those who made the effort to wave back. On occasion some overtaking was a little late and was under braking but its not always easy to judge BUT some was blatant undertaking on corners with little consideration for the rules and for other people.
I found that most passengers had requested to go in my car which I was pleased about and they all seemed to enjoy themselves, one of them being Peppa Pig who had to remove his head to get in the car (sounds painful!).
My most excitable passenger was one of the girls who helped the passengers into the car (dark hair with a small Pit Girl type outfit) she was chuffed to bits to be in her dream car and really enjoyed herself, made my day also.
Anyway well done to everyone involved and I hope plenty of money was raised for the people who really need it.
I thought the lay out was good and I always waved drivers past who looked like they wanted to pass, appreciate those who made the effort to wave back. On occasion some overtaking was a little late and was under braking but its not always easy to judge BUT some was blatant undertaking on corners with little consideration for the rules and for other people.
I found that most passengers had requested to go in my car which I was pleased about and they all seemed to enjoy themselves, one of them being Peppa Pig who had to remove his head to get in the car (sounds painful!).
My most excitable passenger was one of the girls who helped the passengers into the car (dark hair with a small Pit Girl type outfit) she was chuffed to bits to be in her dream car and really enjoyed herself, made my day also.
Anyway well done to everyone involved and I hope plenty of money was raised for the people who really need it.
Edited by Anaconda666 on Monday 22 June 21:55
It was a superb event and it's worth noting how hard it must be to organise with so many different levels of ability and experience in the context of delivering safe but fast rides for potentially litigious passengers.
I was told off (only once) for passing a Ferrari after follow-through. It was a grey area, as I was already overtaking him before the braking zone for the chicane, but he had started braking before I was fully past him. I accepted the wagging finger like a good boy and looked at my shoes to show I meant I was sorry.
The rules could be clearer, particularly with a better process for slower cars helping other cars to come through safely, but not much will improve if several drivers are still nattering away in the briefing and not paying attention to the speaker.
WIthout exception, my passengers had a fantastic time (one said "I'm so emotional I'm close to tears"), and that's what it's about. They don't know what laptime we're doing, how many mph we hit, or if we could brake 5 metres later. For them it's the noise, the smell, the g-force and being on track with other fast machinery all out to play together on an occasion they might never get to do again in their life. I'm certainly up for it again next year.
I was told off (only once
) for passing a Ferrari after follow-through. It was a grey area, as I was already overtaking him before the braking zone for the chicane, but he had started braking before I was fully past him. I accepted the wagging finger like a good boy and looked at my shoes to show I meant I was sorry. The rules could be clearer, particularly with a better process for slower cars helping other cars to come through safely, but not much will improve if several drivers are still nattering away in the briefing and not paying attention to the speaker.
WIthout exception, my passengers had a fantastic time (one said "I'm so emotional I'm close to tears"), and that's what it's about. They don't know what laptime we're doing, how many mph we hit, or if we could brake 5 metres later. For them it's the noise, the smell, the g-force and being on track with other fast machinery all out to play together on an occasion they might never get to do again in their life. I'm certainly up for it again next year.
Candellara said:
i think that by and large the driving standards weren't dissimilar to most of the previous years. Only 1 incident with a brake issue causing an excursion. All generally pretty good IMO bar the odd individual :-)
I was a bit conscious of the old E-Type holding the modern cars up, but as long as you're mindful of the quick cars you give them plenty of room to move past. A bigger issue was cars travelling very slowly in the bends
There was actually more than one excursion.I was a bit conscious of the old E-Type holding the modern cars up, but as long as you're mindful of the quick cars you give them plenty of room to move past. A bigger issue was cars travelling very slowly in the bends
I must say I was very conscious of trying not to hold people up in the corners but was going as quick as it would go round them without loosing too much grip and risking going off. Remember though not everyone is a racing driver (including me) and have to drive with what they feel comfortable with and more importantly what they feel is safe for the passenger. Lets face it it would only take a small mistake that could end up with the event being cancelled in the future.
For some strange reason everybody always comes on here and complains about something on the day, in this instance certain cars that were on the track and the drivers briefing not being clear.
Firstly, who cares what cars are on the track, you and your car are being given the opportunity to have a great day so stop whinging about who and what else is there.
Secondly, if the drivers briefing is not clear, why didn't you stick your hand in the air and ask for the issue to be cleared so that you did understand instead of coming on here and complaining about it afterwards????
You're all grown ups who i am sure have asked questions in your life so why type about it afterwards, it may not be your intention but you come across ungrateful!! do you realise how much it costs the charity to hire the track for the weekend to get you guys on there??? don't get me wrong i appreciate that you are the main people raising the money for the event but come on.....if it wasn't for the charity hiring the track in the first place at great expense then you wouldn't have the opportunity for the experience at all!
It's a great weekend for a great cause and doesn't need negative comments so give it a rest guys, anything to say, say it at the event, clear up any issues with the marshals and have a damn great fun weekend! Of course some people get crazy but they will be told or told to leave, don't let it spoil your days......enjoy it!!
Lastly, sadly it was time for me to say goodbye to hosting the event, have done it for 5 years, met a lot of great people and a lot of new friends, if i didn't get the opportunity to say goodbye then apologies but i may be back down to drive with you guys next year instead. I've always enjoyed the event and big up every driver and marshal that has been there, great bunch and wish the event all the success for the future!
Firstly, who cares what cars are on the track, you and your car are being given the opportunity to have a great day so stop whinging about who and what else is there.
Secondly, if the drivers briefing is not clear, why didn't you stick your hand in the air and ask for the issue to be cleared so that you did understand instead of coming on here and complaining about it afterwards????
You're all grown ups who i am sure have asked questions in your life so why type about it afterwards, it may not be your intention but you come across ungrateful!! do you realise how much it costs the charity to hire the track for the weekend to get you guys on there??? don't get me wrong i appreciate that you are the main people raising the money for the event but come on.....if it wasn't for the charity hiring the track in the first place at great expense then you wouldn't have the opportunity for the experience at all!
It's a great weekend for a great cause and doesn't need negative comments so give it a rest guys, anything to say, say it at the event, clear up any issues with the marshals and have a damn great fun weekend! Of course some people get crazy but they will be told or told to leave, don't let it spoil your days......enjoy it!!
Lastly, sadly it was time for me to say goodbye to hosting the event, have done it for 5 years, met a lot of great people and a lot of new friends, if i didn't get the opportunity to say goodbye then apologies but i may be back down to drive with you guys next year instead. I've always enjoyed the event and big up every driver and marshal that has been there, great bunch and wish the event all the success for the future!
Edited by Jason777 on Monday 22 June 22:07
Anaconda666 said:
There was actually more than one excursion.
I must say I was very conscious of trying not to hold people up in the corners but was going as quick as it would go round them without loosing too much grip and risking going off. Remember though not everyone is a racing driver (including me) and have to drive with what they feel comfortable with and more importantly what they feel is safe for the passenger. Lets face it it would only take a small mistake that could end up with the event being cancelled in the future.
I accept what you're saying and as said, by and large i think that the driving standards are reasonably ok. I must say I was very conscious of trying not to hold people up in the corners but was going as quick as it would go round them without loosing too much grip and risking going off. Remember though not everyone is a racing driver (including me) and have to drive with what they feel comfortable with and more importantly what they feel is safe for the passenger. Lets face it it would only take a small mistake that could end up with the event being cancelled in the future.
Maybe some Marshals with blue flags dotted about? So if someone is travelling at a slower pace, they're aware of a car behind?
It's a great Event that's been honed over the years and is bigger & better than ever. Big thanks to all involved and fantastic to have raised a huge amount of money
Edited by Candellara on Monday 22 June 21:58
Some people forget why they are there. It is not a free track day, but a fund raising event giving rides in cars some people can only dream of to raise money for a very worthy cause. If you are there to the advantage of the free track and the investment of the facility by the charity then shame on you.
I had a great two days and want to thank all those that came for the right reasons.
I had a great two days and want to thank all those that came for the right reasons.
mal said:
Some people forget why they are there. It is not a free track day, but a fund raising event giving rides in cars some people can only dream of to raise money for a very worthy cause. If you are there to the advantage of the free track and the investment of the facility by the charity then shame on you.
I had a great two days and want to thank all those that came for the right reasons.
Spot on, well said!I had a great two days and want to thank all those that came for the right reasons.
It takes a lot of hard work for a WHOLE YEAR by a lot of people to put this event on, everyone involved works damn hard to make it a great weekend, come and play or go home, don't complain about it!
Jason777 said:
For some strange reason everybody always comes on here and complains about something on the day, in this instance certain cars that were on the track and the drivers briefing not being clear.
Firstly, who cares what cars are on the track, you and your car are being given the opportunity to have a great day so stop whinging about who and what else is there.
Secondly, if the drivers briefing is not clear, why didn't you stick your hand in the air and ask for the issue to be cleared so that you did understand instead of coming on here and complaining about it afterwards????
You're all grown ups who i am sure have asked questions in your life so why type about it afterwards, it may not be your intention but you come across ungrateful!! do you realise how much it costs the charity to hire the track for the weekend to get you guys on there??? don't get me wrong i appreciate that you are the main people raising the money for the event but come on.....if it wasn't for the charity hiring the track in the first place at great expense then you wouldn't have the opportunity for the experience at all!
It's a great weekend for a great cause and doesn't need negative comments so give it a rest guys, anything to say, say it at the event, clear up any issues with the marshals and have a damn great fun weekend! Of course some people get crazy but they will be told or told to leave, don't let it spoil your days......enjoy it!!
Lastly, sadly it was time for me to say goodbye to hosting the event, have done it for 5 years, met a lot of great people and a lot of new friends, if i didn't get the opportunity to say goodbye then apologies but i may be back down to drive with you guys next year instead. I've always enjoyed the event and big up every driver and marshal that has been there, great bunch and wish the event all the success for the future!
Might be one or two comments taking a negative attitude, but out of all this, it was a highly successful event, if people don't "talk up" how can you make the event safer for forthcoming years? Firstly, who cares what cars are on the track, you and your car are being given the opportunity to have a great day so stop whinging about who and what else is there.
Secondly, if the drivers briefing is not clear, why didn't you stick your hand in the air and ask for the issue to be cleared so that you did understand instead of coming on here and complaining about it afterwards????
You're all grown ups who i am sure have asked questions in your life so why type about it afterwards, it may not be your intention but you come across ungrateful!! do you realise how much it costs the charity to hire the track for the weekend to get you guys on there??? don't get me wrong i appreciate that you are the main people raising the money for the event but come on.....if it wasn't for the charity hiring the track in the first place at great expense then you wouldn't have the opportunity for the experience at all!
It's a great weekend for a great cause and doesn't need negative comments so give it a rest guys, anything to say, say it at the event, clear up any issues with the marshals and have a damn great fun weekend! Of course some people get crazy but they will be told or told to leave, don't let it spoil your days......enjoy it!!
Lastly, sadly it was time for me to say goodbye to hosting the event, have done it for 5 years, met a lot of great people and a lot of new friends, if i didn't get the opportunity to say goodbye then apologies but i may be back down to drive with you guys next year instead. I've always enjoyed the event and big up every driver and marshal that has been there, great bunch and wish the event all the success for the future!
Edited by Jason777 on Monday 22 June 22:07
I had a couple of issues on the Saturday with people overtaking me in the wrong places, the errors were pointed out to drivers and it did not happen again
This in general is all meant as constructive comments from DRIVERS.
Irrespective of which cars are on track together it is up to the drivers to manage the situation. There is no need to overtake into the hairpin or the chicane. If you are in a faster car you will get by on the next straights. (Even though it shouldn't be about who is fastest)
However - I would like it if the organisers could group cars on track with performance more closely matched. Though I'm not sure how that could actually happen in practice.
Irrespective of the above the rules are quite clear but I had 911s (funny that) taking the piss and making it dangerous for others.
However - I would like it if the organisers could group cars on track with performance more closely matched. Though I'm not sure how that could actually happen in practice.
Irrespective of the above the rules are quite clear but I had 911s (funny that) taking the piss and making it dangerous for others.
fatboy18 said:
This in general is all meant as constructive comments from DRIVERS.
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/imgs/2.gifI appreciate your comment and wish everybody would take a leaf out of your book and write a comment that comes across as 'constructive' instead of 'negative'
you did things the right way and i am sure everyone appreciated that, i did a lot of hard work on this event for the year behind the scenes and really gets by back up when i see even one 'negative' comment
hopefully everyone will take note of our comments and write their posts constructively from now on so that it can be used to help make the event even better for the drivers as well as the public
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