The Supercar Event

[Jason777]

stain said:

Irrespective of which cars are on track together it is up to the drivers to manage the situation. There is no need to overtake into the hairpin or the chicane. If you are in a faster car you will get by on the next straights. (Even though it shouldn't be about who is fastest)

However - I would like it if the organisers could group cars on track with performance more closely matched. Though I'm not sure how that could actually happen in practice.

Irrespective of the above the rules are quite clear but I had 911s (funny that) taking the piss and making it dangerous for others.

A brilliant constructive comment that i am sure the organisers will take notice of

[Mousem40]

Jason777 said:

Said some stuff

Edited by Jason777 on Monday 22 June 22:07

Why are you taking this as a personal slight on you or the event? It's a brilliant event, and very well run. No-one is criticising you or it.

If there are cars holding others up, it's not because we are all trying to extract the last second from every lap, it's because the passengers are disappointed to have to trundle round areas at 20mph, which is dull and not much fun. We could do that on the open roads instead of the Top Gear Track. That SLK should not be there, because it does just that, and because I don't believe anyone would really want to pay £35 to get in a car like that. I feel bad for the passengers and everyone stuck behind him. All the other cars were great and should be there.

Also because some of the drivers were not listening at the briefing there was a lot of very dodgy overtaking and undertaking at the chicane. That's not your fault, that's bad driving, so I suggested one way of avoiding that.

We all want this to be the best event it can be - and it already is one of the best on the calendar for passengers.6 of my family members came on the Saturday and Sunday and absolutely loved it and will come back again.

[Jason777]

Mousem40 said:

Why are you taking this as a personal slight on you or the event?

Please tell me how someone is supposed to take a negative comment???? a constructive comment is a better way to put it wuoldn't you say? the previous comment that i quoted got the point straight over without making it sound as though the organisers or anyone else involved in putting this event on did anything wrong, it's great that most people had a great time however it only takes one or two comments to start taking offence over a hard long years work, i am sure there were a lot more people behind the scenes that worked harder at it than me and to see comments that slag off a merc slk (I agree it is not what i would have expected to see there) on a public forum really takes the biscuit!!! What we have to remember is that this is an open forum to members of the public, bad comments are noted by people more than good comments (as the saying goes, a bad word spreads quicker than a good one!) this in turn could be seen by the members of public and discourage them from coming, one slk in a group of 100 supercars.....however the one bad one is being highlighted by people on a public forum, how many comments are there so far about the LaFerrari, lamborghini aventadors, hurracans, porsches, ferraris (many of them) ariel atoms, the list goes on......no everybody wants to mention just the one car not thinking about the consequences it could have to the event in the long run!

If people were not driving correctly then other people should have told the marshal's and that person would have been dealt with accordingly, yes you are correct, they didn't pay attention in the drivers briefing however i am sure the organisers and other drivers are grateful to the drivers that did drive correctly!

People seem to forget the impact it has on an event by commenting on a public forum saying there were problems, this again is a public forum, any concerns should have been dealt with at the time or with the marshal's or organisers at a later time, not in public where it could put people off from coming to the event in the future!

99.9 percent of people came or drove and had a great day and can't wait till next year......the 0.1 percent that make negative comments do not realise that there is a time and place these comments should be made and it really is inappropriate to do them on a public forum, to be completely honest they come across as keyboard warriors....i for one have no time for people that do that, i have a lot of respect for the people that organise and drive at this event and if i see a problem i deal with it straight away with the correct people however i didn't see any this year, it was great fun and hope everyone enjoyed it as much as i and your family did.

[V1DL3R]

Max Chilton overtook me on the entry to the chicane, I let him off though because I'm the only thing he has overtaken all year.

[Mario149]

V1DL3R said:

Max Chilton overtook me on the entry to the chicane, I let him off though because I'm the only thing he has overtaken all year.

[Mario149]

I thought this year's TSE was excellent, the event seems to go from strength to strength and I'd like to congratulate all the organizers and volunteers, excellent job done chap(esse)s I hope to be involved for a long time to come.

In terms of driving standards, they were the highest I've seen so far (I've done 2015, 2013 and 2012 in a variety of 911s and Ferraris) but as ever there's always room for improvement, and I wholeheartedly include myself in that. I agree with Jason that a public thread is not the place to come across negative and even constructive criticism can be taken the wrong way (we've all seen how things can get misunderstood on here!). That said, I disagree with his comment about those critiquing here being keyboard warriors.

Personally, I'll be putting a few thoughts on areas of improvement in an email to relevant people as the happier Joe Public are to come ride in our cars and the happier drivers are to turn up and drive, the better it is for everyone.

Edited by Mario149 on Tuesday 23 June 08:51

[Jacobyte]

Mario149 said:

Was good to meet you mate (white 997.1 GT3)

You too... hopefully you'll find time next weekend to go over your car with a wet sponge.

[Mario149]

Jacobyte said:

Mario149 said:

Was good to meet you mate (white 997.1 GT3)

You too... hopefully you'll find time next weekend to go over your car with a wet sponge.

Cheeky bastid! It's called "patina".....apparently

Actually, I miraculously managed to motivate myself to clean it on Sunday evening before putting it away, took me by surprise and all....

[spikeyhead]

Mine is still covered in the exhaust snot from a TVR

[enzoGT4]

Thanks for the feedback, always interesting to read...whether one agrees 100% with it all or not. As Mal has said however, those who treat it as a free track day (and there aren't many) totally miss the point of the day and shouldn't be there. They will be weeded out! As will those who think they're on a qualifying lap.

As a point of interest,....we give somewhere over 1,200 rides each day, which is about 7,500 driven miles for both days. Given the wide range of cars and their differing performance, plus when you factor in the variances of driver experience, I think having so few incidents is a pretty good record.

There is always room for improvement, so maybe next year I'll get everyone off their butts and closer to the speakers and track map for the driver's briefing? Thoughts?

[fatboy18]

enzoGT4 said:

Thanks for the feedback, always interesting to read...whether one agrees 100% with it all or not. As Mal has said however, those who treat it as a free track day (and there aren't many) totally miss the point of the day and shouldn't be there. They will be weeded out! As will those who think they're on a qualifying lap.

As a point of interest,....we give somewhere over 1,200 rides each day, which is about 7,500 driven miles for both days. Given the wide range of cars and their differing performance, plus when you factor in the variances of driver experience, I think having so few incidents is a pretty good record.

There is always room for improvement, so maybe next year I'll get everyone off their butts and closer to the speakers and track map for the driver's briefing? Thoughts?

Perfect

[Mario149]

enzoGT4 said:

As a point of interest,....we give somewhere over 1,200 rides each day, which is about 7,500 driven miles for both days. Given the wide range of cars and their differing performance, plus when you factor in the variances of driver experience, I think having so few incidents is a pretty good record.

enzoGT4 said:

There is always room for improvement, so maybe next year I'll get everyone off their butts and closer to the speakers and track map for the driver's briefing? Thoughts?

I think the briefing needs to be a lot more like a track day briefing (even though it obviously isn't a TD). Everyone should be sat down and silenced so everyone can see and hear. Loudspeaker should be on extra loud. People talking among themselves or on the phone should be pulled up. A biiiig diagram of the circuit is required (overtaking areas highlighted?). Big emphasis on no overtaking outside of designated areas, but equally, people should be reminded to keep an eye on the rear view mirror and let faster cars pass (and that they also have to remember to come off the gas themselves when letting others pass ). Maybe use blue flags too? Everyone should have TD experience there so should be familiar with them. I think maybe also instigating a minimum distance between cars, say 3-4 car lengths as it can be a little intimidating if you've got something right up your behind, but this would have to be in conjunction with the reminder to move over as otherwise traffic jams could ensue.

As I said before, I think that the standard is really very high, but I think that the above might raise the quality even further.

[sumo69]

I have read this with interest - a number of these issues were raised by me with the organisers last year via e-mail and I never got a full response, particularly about the slow cars (green jag) and driving standards being enforced.

I couldn't make it this year but it looks like a number of comments are the same as I raised a year back, and I have chased a full response several times since.

It is a great event, but I think with a little tinkering it could both be better for the paying punters and safer and more enjoyable for the drivers.

David

[Anaconda666]

enzoGT4 said:

Thanks for the feedback, always interesting to read...whether one agrees 100% with it all or not. As Mal has said however, those who treat it as a free track day (and there aren't many) totally miss the point of the day and shouldn't be there. They will be weeded out! As will those who think they're on a qualifying lap.

As a point of interest,....we give somewhere over 1,200 rides each day, which is about 7,500 driven miles for both days. Given the wide range of cars and their differing performance, plus when you factor in the variances of driver experience, I think having so few incidents is a pretty good record.

There is always room for improvement, so maybe next year I'll get everyone off their butts and closer to the speakers and track map for the driver's briefing? Thoughts?

First I will apologise as I don't know who you actually are but will presume you are one of the organisers and going by your post I also presume we are allowed to comment on an open forum.
Last year I did driving duties in my 66 Mustang for a change as there was a Classic car ride section. Everybody who went in my car requested it (and enjoyed it) yet to some people it may seem like a slow boring old car, in fact the classic car rides seemed quite popular. Maybe run a separate classic section again if there is the call for it. Different paying passengers want a different experience for their money & not everybody wants the same car and that is the advantage of having an excellent cross section of cars.
With reference to the drivers briefing I thought it was very clear and easy to understand and don't understand how the instructions could have been misunderstood. I thought the organisation both behind the scenes and on the day was very good to be fair and I don't have any problems with it at all.

Edited by Anaconda666 on Tuesday 23 June 19:54

[fatboy18]

Steve Campbell said:

Thanks to whoever this driver is ... made my sons day ..pity about the 70mph with kids :-)

PS he would like to know exactly what model the car is as he forgot to ask (or remember if he did ask !!) in his excitement.

Its a Mclaren 650s Spider

[Mario149]

Has anyone got any footage / photos of cars lapping when it was wet on Saturday afternoon?

[Toilet Duck]

Mario149 said:

Has anyone got any footage / photos of cars lapping when it was wet on Saturday afternoon?

Here is a clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uly903E_tRg

[V1DL3R]

Toilet Duck said:

Here is a clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uly903E_tRg

My heart sank when i saw this link, I thought it was going to be video footage of my lazy spin.

[davek_964]

V1DL3R said:

Toilet Duck said:

Here is a clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uly903E_tRg

My heart sank when i saw this link, I thought it was going to be video footage of my lazy spin.

You're safe - I didn't have a camera in my car unfortunately!

[enzoGT4]

Anaconda666 said:

First I will apologise as I don't know who you actually are but will presume you are one of the organisers and going by your post I also presume we are allowed to comment on an open forum.
Last year I did driving duties in my 66 Mustang for a change as there was a Classic car ride section. Everybody who went in my car requested it (and enjoyed it) yet to some people it may seem like a slow boring old car, in fact the classic car rides seemed quite popular. Maybe run a separate classic section again if there is the call for it. Different paying passengers want a different experience for their money & not everybody wants the same car and that is the advantage of having an excellent cross section of cars.
With reference to the drivers briefing I thought it was very clear and easy to understand and don't understand how the instructions could have been misunderstood. I thought the organisation both behind the scenes and on the day was very good to be fair and I don't have any problems with it at all.

Edited by Anaconda666 on Tuesday 23 June 19:54

Hi. No need to apologise. Yes, I am one of the organisers. Freedom of speech exists here, so happy to have constructive criticism or suggestions as and when something pops into anyone's head. However, we obviously don't implement every suggestion and usually most things have been considered beforehand.

We had a classic selection last year and the selection was great! Three 1930s Bentleys, several Ferrari 246/308s an MG and a few American cars. (ps...your's looked lovely. I was chasing you about in my 308 GT4 on Saturday). However, it's debatable if there are enough people who want classic rides AND at the right time of the day when we plan them. Try and imagine the logistics of getting the passengers and drivers all ready at the same time. Also, this did slow down the general runs which ultimately leads to a loss of revenue. It is something we'll talk about on our de-brief though. Personally I think some 308s, your Mustang Jason's e-type and the XK150 would look great going round.

One thing that I am definitely doing next year is issuing cattle prods to the Orange Marshals to "encourage" all drivers to stand up and come closer to the front so everyone can hear & see the map....ie NO excuses.

Richard - Ferrari 308GT4 (mostly out in the wet, 'cos it's more fun!!)