On Your Marks 2015 - Asda Charity Trackday - Bruntingthorpe
Discussion
JamesHayward said:
On a side note did anyone else notice the absolutely shocking driving standards? - Mclaren 12c especially...
James,I'm surprised you think Jim's driving was "shocking". The McLaren was one of, if not the quickest car on the day and he was able to pass pretty much everything with relative ease, pretty well anywhere, which may have surprised a few people, but I don't believe he did anything untoward.
He was on track continuously all day. He arrived at the start with the McLaren tanked up and 4 Jerry cans full of fuel. Buy lunch time, that was all gone, so he went to fill everything up again and he left after the track closed running on fumes. He also started the day on a brand new set of McLaren P1 tyres and wheels. The tyres were almost slicks by the time he left and the wheels were peppered in chips from flying stones.
He almost certainly did more laps than anyone and comfortably raised the most money (we were charging £10 for some of our cars), so he should be congratulated.
My apologies for the green mobile chicane Cobra. John goes by the name of "Captain Slow" but again, he was on track all day and only stopped for the lunch break.
It was a tough day for the older technology cars and the attrition rate was high. The dark blue Cobra needs a major engine rebuild after cooking its big ends. This same car was rear-ended on the way to the event last year and spent the day sitting in the car park with a very crumpled rear.
Paul
Edited by PDB on Wednesday 19th August 22:43
PDB said:
James,
I'm surprised you think Jim's driving was "shocking". The McLaren was one of, if not the quickest car on the day and he was able to pass pretty much everything with relative ease, pretty well anywhere, which may have surprised a few people, but I don't believe he did anything untoward.
He was on track continuously all day. He arrived at the start with the McLaren tanked up and 4 Jerry cans full of fuel. Buy lunch time, that was all gone, so he went to fill everything up again and he left after the track closed running on fumes. He also started the day on a brand new set of McLaren P1 tyres and wheels. The tyres were almost slicks by the time he left and the wheels were peppered in chips from flying stones.
He almost certainly did more laps than anyone and comfortably raised the most money (we were charging £10 for some of our cars), so he should be congratulated.
Paul
I was on Paul's gate (Thanks for having me!) in the S197 Mustang and have to agree with him about his comments on the McLaren driver who was also a thoroughly nice fella letting me sit in the drivers seat, ok didn't let me drive it but hey I would have been too scared. By talking with him it was rather obvious he was there for the right reason. While there was a wide range of driver skills, mine being limited by my own admission, the whole point isn't to be the fastest on the track but do give the passenger a chance to go in a car they wouldn't normally get the chance to go in. By their donation it will go to help someone who needs it more than we do. Surely we all expected differing cars with vastly different handling capabilities?I'm surprised you think Jim's driving was "shocking". The McLaren was one of, if not the quickest car on the day and he was able to pass pretty much everything with relative ease, pretty well anywhere, which may have surprised a few people, but I don't believe he did anything untoward.
He was on track continuously all day. He arrived at the start with the McLaren tanked up and 4 Jerry cans full of fuel. Buy lunch time, that was all gone, so he went to fill everything up again and he left after the track closed running on fumes. He also started the day on a brand new set of McLaren P1 tyres and wheels. The tyres were almost slicks by the time he left and the wheels were peppered in chips from flying stones.
He almost certainly did more laps than anyone and comfortably raised the most money (we were charging £10 for some of our cars), so he should be congratulated.
Paul
Anyway I enjoyed it and hope the money raised made life better for some less fortunate people.
My only criticism with regard this event was that £5 a ride was far to cheap. The idea is to raise money for charity and I'm all for that but the relative costs for some to actually run our cars seems more than a little out of balance against the amount raised.
I've done other similar events and charged £100 a ride albeit twice as long but been busy from start to finish. I wouldn't like to think how much it cost me personally to do this event but it'll be a lot more than I raised for the charity. I'll say it again I really enjoy doing these events but I also think it's an opportunity missed to earn a lot more money for the charity.
With regard the driving standards I think they weren't too bad, as I mentioned earlier some people seem not to be able to use their mirrors and the overtaking on the left rule seems to have been ignored and to be honest I was doing the same by the end of the day.
I've done other similar events and charged £100 a ride albeit twice as long but been busy from start to finish. I wouldn't like to think how much it cost me personally to do this event but it'll be a lot more than I raised for the charity. I'll say it again I really enjoy doing these events but I also think it's an opportunity missed to earn a lot more money for the charity.
With regard the driving standards I think they weren't too bad, as I mentioned earlier some people seem not to be able to use their mirrors and the overtaking on the left rule seems to have been ignored and to be honest I was doing the same by the end of the day.
You were very welcome and it was great to have you with us.
I agree regarding the £5 per lap fee, which was why we were charging £10. We only started out with 7 cars in total, but we raised nearrly £2,000. However, we spent far more than that raising it though.
We'll be charging more next year as we always had far, far more people queuing than we had cars available.
The idea is to raise as much money as possible, not give as many rides as possible.
Paul
I agree regarding the £5 per lap fee, which was why we were charging £10. We only started out with 7 cars in total, but we raised nearrly £2,000. However, we spent far more than that raising it though.
We'll be charging more next year as we always had far, far more people queuing than we had cars available.
The idea is to raise as much money as possible, not give as many rides as possible.
Paul
At £5 a lap people didn't seem to mind what car they got a lap in. If you increase the price people will start to get "picky" about which cars they want to spend their money on so the total number of rides would probably go down and may not be matched by the increase in price.
Obviously gates like the GTROC will still have people queueing around the block but I'd guess some of the small clubs would struggle to make as much as they did year due to the limited amount of "special" cars smaller clubs can bring and which people would be willing to spend more on.
Having said that a small increase to say £10 should have much of a negative effect rather than the much larger numbers mentioned above.
Also if Asda advertise it as £5 a lap then is it "fair" to change it without telling anyone before they get to the pay desk and little johnny suddenly finds that his £5 pocket-money won't get him a lap?
PS McLaren - I had no issues, although he did chip my windscreen after moving across me whilst in the braking area, the only chip I got all day!
Obviously gates like the GTROC will still have people queueing around the block but I'd guess some of the small clubs would struggle to make as much as they did year due to the limited amount of "special" cars smaller clubs can bring and which people would be willing to spend more on.
Having said that a small increase to say £10 should have much of a negative effect rather than the much larger numbers mentioned above.
Also if Asda advertise it as £5 a lap then is it "fair" to change it without telling anyone before they get to the pay desk and little johnny suddenly finds that his £5 pocket-money won't get him a lap?
PS McLaren - I had no issues, although he did chip my windscreen after moving across me whilst in the braking area, the only chip I got all day!
Edited by IanH755 on Thursday 20th August 00:13
Some of you may have see the notice board that we had on Gate 1, which explained our prices. For £5 you got a lap in the next car available, but if you wanted to specify which car you went in, it was £10 and they always had priority over the cars. As a result, there were no £5 laps in either the McLaren or the 427 Cobra all day. In fact, most of our laps in most of the cars were £10 laps.
Paul
Paul
With regards to price I am always in two minds as to what is reasonable. £5 may indeed seem a bit cheap but at least it is accessible to everyone, also gives people the chance to go in multiple cars. It needs to be a fine balance between raising money and people able to afford to enjoy themselves. I can't say I would pay £100 for a lap in any of the cars there, certainly not mine. The cost of running the car for the day and the amount of money raised by an individual car is not always the point. I guess we could all give are running costs to charity and stay at home instead but then who would have a good day out or raise the profile of a charity?
Happy to do it again next year regardless of price or personal cost.
Happy to do it again next year regardless of price or personal cost.
Anaconda666 said:
With regards to price I am always in two minds as to what is reasonable. £5 may indeed seem a bit cheap but at least it is accessible to everyone, also gives people the chance to go in multiple cars. It needs to be a fine balance between raising money and people able to afford to enjoy themselves. I can't say I would pay £100 for a lap in any of the cars there, certainly not mine. The cost of running the car for the day and the amount of money raised by an individual car is not always the point. I guess we could all give are running costs to charity and stay at home instead but then who would have a good day out or raise the profile of a charity?
Happy to do it again next year regardless of price or personal cost.
Well I reckon the day cost me at least 4-5k as I need a new screen because of stone chips and the film to the front of my car is buggered. I agree you can't expect to pay £100 for a single lap of the track so that would need to be reviewed. But if I were to jump in a car that cost in excess of 200k I'd expect to pay a bit more than a fiver!Happy to do it again next year regardless of price or personal cost.
sone said:
Well I reckon the day cost me at least 4-5k as I need a new screen because of stone chips and the film to the front of my car is buggered. I agree you can't expect to pay £100 for a single lap of the track so that would need to be reviewed. But if I were to jump in a car that cost in excess of 200k I'd expect to pay a bit more than a fiver!
With regards to a 200k car then I agree £5 does seem to be rather low but if for example the price was £100 as you mention earlier does that mean only the well off get to go round the track in it? Would that be fair?£10 a lap would be along the same price range as another similar event held in the south in the month of June. I have to agree some cars are probably worth paying more for but who's choice is it to implement the price, some people choose to go in certain cars for personal reasons and not just because the car costs more or has more bhp.
With regards to your windscreen you could claim on windscreen insurance.
Anaconda666 said:
sone said:
Well I reckon the day cost me at least 4-5k as I need a new screen because of stone chips and the film to the front of my car is buggered. I agree you can't expect to pay £100 for a single lap of the track so that would need to be reviewed. But if I were to jump in a car that cost in excess of 200k I'd expect to pay a bit more than a fiver!
With regards to a 200k car then I agree £5 does seem to be rather low but if for example the price was £100 as you mention earlier does that mean only the well off get to go round the track in it? Would that be fair?£10 a lap would be along the same price range as another similar event held in the south in the month of June. I have to agree some cars are probably worth paying more for but who's choice is it to implement the price, some people choose to go in certain cars for personal reasons and not just because the car costs more or has more bhp.
With regards to your windscreen you could claim on windscreen insurance.
The super car event if that's what you are referring too charged £35.00 for random cars or £100 if you were specific what you wanted to go for a ride in I believe. Another great event and one I look forward to being involved with again.
With regards insurance I had a screen replaced about 8 weeks ago and think my insurers would have something to say if I claim again.
sone said:
I do agree that the value of the car is of little relevance and why I've not mentioned it before but if the charges were a little higher it could attract more Ferrari's, Lambo's etc. I know not everyone has the want to go in these cars but it's about raising money and I believe this would be a more profitable route for the charity.
The super car event if that's what you are referring too charged £35.00 for random cars or £100 if you were specific what you wanted to go for a ride in I believe. Another great event and one I look forward to being involved with again.
With regards insurance I had a screen replaced about 8 weeks ago and think my insurers would have something to say if I claim again.
As you mention a higher ticket price may attract more 'high end' cars but again might alienate the drivers who like to help but have less disposable income. I guess there is no easy solution to it all as many people will have different views on things. The super car event if that's what you are referring too charged £35.00 for random cars or £100 if you were specific what you wanted to go for a ride in I believe. Another great event and one I look forward to being involved with again.
With regards insurance I had a screen replaced about 8 weeks ago and think my insurers would have something to say if I claim again.
Going to email you shortly with regards to the other event.
As much as the day is mainly a "sports" car day it would be very nice to have any "hyper" cars there like Pagani, Koenigsegg & Bugatti etc or even just some more "super" cars like Ferraris & Lambos etc. I don't know if it's the way the event is structured puts them off i.e lots of random cars on track with a varied driving ability, stone chips, cost to the car etc but except for a very rare few something definately keeps them away from this event which is a shame.
IanH755 said:
As much as the day is mainly a "sports" car day it would be very nice to have any "hyper" cars there like Pagani, Koenigsegg & Bugatti etc or even just some more "super" cars like Ferraris & Lambos etc. I don't know if it's the way the event is structured puts them off i.e lots of random cars on track with a varied driving ability, stone chips, cost to the car etc but except for a very rare few something definately keeps them away from this event which is a shame.
Stone chips without doubt!sone said:
Stone chips without doubt!
Agreed. My car isn't painted, but the stones and gravel have made a real mess of the polished aluminium around the front of the car and the leading edge of the rear wheel arches. I've broken two windscreens and three headlights in past years and to be honest, I'm getting a bit p'd off with it.The track is supposed to have been thoroughly swept, but I don't know who's kidding who.
Paul
I certainly agree with the stone chip issue, 2 headlights & a windscreen on the TVR gate this year. The last time I took mine on track I'd polished it to within an inch of it's life, never having done the event before I didn't know what to expect and picked up 2 bad windscreen chips and fairly peppered the front end, but I still enjoyed it. I realise that my motor is not a multi £000000 car but still picked up a considerably higher cost than the amount raised.
From my experience in road and pavement surfaces the problem with dust & grit on any concrete surface can never be eradicated, regardless of well it is swept unless it is properly sealed and re-treated regularly. The ultimate answer being re-surfaced with Asphalt, but this is of course very expensive.
With regard to the charging I would certainly suggest a higher price but for 2 laps, say £15 (in comparison to the existing charges).
From my experience in road and pavement surfaces the problem with dust & grit on any concrete surface can never be eradicated, regardless of well it is swept unless it is properly sealed and re-treated regularly. The ultimate answer being re-surfaced with Asphalt, but this is of course very expensive.
With regard to the charging I would certainly suggest a higher price but for 2 laps, say £15 (in comparison to the existing charges).
Hi everyone, Just wanted to pop in and say Hi as I was one of the photographers working on behalf of the organisers of ON YOUR MARKS.
You may of spotted us at some points around the track during the day. just after the main air show we were at the bottom of the main straight.
Click the link here to see the full set of images from the day. I will also post a few pics up here if i can work the code thingy.
Well done to you all for putting your cars through all the punishment to raise cash for a great charity.
..Hats off to you..
http://www.simonlanephotography.com/Events/On-Your...
P.s If you find your own cars on my website please feel free to link the photo back here to PH. (using the little share arrow under the image and choosing embeddable links to forums)
as I was one of the photographers working on behalf of the organisers of ON YOUR MARKS.You may of spotted us at some points around the track during the day. just after the main air show we were at the bottom of the main straight.
Click the link here to see the full set of images from the day. I will also post a few pics up here if i can work the code thingy.
Well done to you all for putting your cars through all the punishment to raise cash for a great charity.
..Hats off to you..
http://www.simonlanephotography.com/Events/On-Your...
P.s If you find your own cars on my website please feel free to link the photo back here to PH. (using the little share arrow under the image and choosing embeddable links to forums)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_i4oxrqM3as#
Here's me taking a friend on a lap. His reaction at the end!
Here's me taking a friend on a lap. His reaction at the end!
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