RE: Santa Pod Sunday Service 03/04

[V8RX7]

thebraketester said:

The reason the S3 is so quick isnt really its power output. Its haldex with DSG.... equals a stupidly quick 60' time.

A friend had a golf R DSG... it ran sub 3s to 60mph, not just by luck, it would do it every time due to Haldex/DSG. Wouldnt have been anywhere near as fast as a manual

I'll admit I was shocked how consistent and how fast it was - I find it a bit depressing really how technology has taken over - that's progress I suppose.

[stephen300o]

Seems rather pointless to drag race if it is done via launch control,

[xjay1337]

tombstone said:

well.... it's been run on three rolling roads, all within 17bhp..so not far out! Best was 358... But, it just can't put the power down nicely as it sits, even though it's got launch control mapped in it, traction control.. but no LSD. Once it's rolling it's pretty good for a people carrier! At the most recent live mapping session, when the bigger intercooler went on, it's pretty consistent power-wise, always seems to be strong mid range..but a combination of very tired suspension and not being used to launching it on Sunday didn't help! But it's still a very quick courtesy car....!

xjay1337 said:

I spoke to the Zafira owner.
He was a nice guy, but he claimed 350bhp WHEEL horse power (about 380 crank?)
Based on the times I saw it was not as powerful as he claimed I believe.

Edited by tombstone on Tuesday 5th April 13:13

Only going on the speeds and terminals.
It is an impressive build even more so for an MPV

As I have said in previous posts the track was very unfair on the day and conditions didn't seem the best for anyone, we were all doing horrific times lol.

[93Jay]

xjay1337 said:

Only going on the speeds and terminals.
It is an impressive build even more so for an MPV

As I have said in previous posts the track was very unfair on the day and conditions didn't seem the best for anyone, we were all doing horrific times lol.

From a spectators point of view, the Zafira was really struggling to grip, once it hooked though it took off well, loved the way it backfired.

[Dandanfings]

thebraketester said:

Id still rather have the F430 over the S3 though.... :-)


The reason the S3 is so quick isnt really its power output. Its haldex with DSG.... equals a stupidly quick 60' time.

A friend had a golf R DSG... it ran sub 3s to 60mph, not just by luck, it would do it every time due to Haldex/DSG. Wouldnt have been anywhere near as fast as a manual

Edited by thebraketester on Tuesday 5th April 11:10

It does give a brilliant 60ft time, but it also has nearly 400bhp enabling it to reach 114mph terminal just like the cars on the list!

[sh33n]

stephen300o said:

Seems rather pointless to drag race if it is done via launch control,

Depends on the car I guess, but mine was far more difficult to control / get power down with LC on.

[Pdelamare]

V8RX7 said:

Mercedes SLS AMG Roadster GT - [2012]11.81 seconds @ 115.3 mph
Jaguar XJ 220 - [1991]11.82 seconds @ 115.2 mph
Porsche 911 GT3 RS 4.0 991 - [2015]11.82 seconds @ 115.2 mph
TVR Tamora 3.6 - [2002]11.84 seconds @ 115.0 mph
Dodge Viper SRT-10 8.3 V10 - [2005]11.84 seconds @ 115.0 mph
Audi R8 6.0 Quattro V12 TDI - [2009]11.87 seconds @ 114.7 mph
Ferrari F430 4.3 V8 Spider - [2005]11.88 seconds @ 114.7 mph
KTM X-Bow GT 2.0 Turbo - [2013]11.89 seconds @ 114.5 mph
Noble M12 GTO 3R - [2003]11.89 seconds @ 114.5 mph
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VIII MR FQ 400 - [2004]11.89 seconds @ 114.5 mph
Ford Mustang GT 500 - [2010]11.90 seconds @ 114.5 mph
Porsche 911 GT2 996 - [2000]11.91 seconds @ 114.3 mph
Aston-Martin Vanquish 5.9 V12 - [2012]11.95 seconds @ 114.0 mph
Mercedes CLK DTM Cabriolet - [2006]11.96 seconds @ 113.9 mph
Lotus Exige S 3.5 V6 - [2012]11.97 seconds @ 113.8 mph
TVR T350 C 3.6 - [2003]11.98 seconds @ 113.7 mph

Nice to see that my RWD estate car gets higher terminal speeds than all over them, by at least 3 or 4 mph at 119mph. Next years 4Matic version might be epic.

[j4ck100]

Here's a fun one of two of the slower cars of the day (Mr Twingo exluded :P)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyzN18Qe-UI

Edited by j4ck100 on Tuesday 5th April 17:39

[Miglia 888]

j4ck100 said:

Here's a fun one of two of the slower cars of the day (Mr Twingo exluded :P)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyzN18Qe-UI

No other footage of a Twingo getting ahead of the EOS for the first 60' ?

[MPoxon]

j4ck100 said:

Here's a fun one of two of the slower cars of the day (Mr Twingo exluded :P)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyzN18Qe-UI

Edited by j4ck100 on Tuesday 5th April 17:39

LOL

Who actually won that?

[j4ck100]

The S40 diesel won that one but EOS had passenger on board then later with no passengers the EOS snipped it, closer than it should be though 160bhp in the EOS 140 in the volvo

[Liam O Photo]

Great weekend once again! SS are fast becoming some of my favourite events, definitely the best event at Santa Pod I've been to! (done all the usual Fast Show,Japfest etc)

Here are my pictures from the paddock area, track pictures will follow later (I was the loner on the other side of the hill snapping away! )

2R4A4889.jpg by Liam Osborn, on Flickr

2R4A4881.jpg by Liam Osborn, on Flickr

2R4A4213.jpg by Liam Osborn, on Flickr

2R4A4073.jpg by Liam Osborn, on Flickr

2R4A4001.jpg by Liam Osborn, on Flickr

2R4A3900.jpg by Liam Osborn, on Flickr

More here https://flic.kr/s/aHskun5xs9

Many thanks to the PH team and Santa Pod for the great event

Edited by Liam O Photo on Tuesday 5th April 23:16

[j4ck100]

Miglia 888 said:

No other footage of a Twingo getting ahead of the EOS for the first 60' ?

Unfortunately not!!

[JockySteer]

V8RX7 said:

Dandanfings said:

That little S3 did a 11.80 run eventually

I'm not sure if people appreciate just how fast that is (for a road car) a quick google brings up this impressive list of SLOWER cars :


Mercedes SLS AMG Roadster GT - [2012]11.81 seconds @ 115.3 mph
Jaguar XJ 220 - [1991]11.82 seconds @ 115.2 mph
Porsche 911 GT3 RS 4.0 991 - [2015]11.82 seconds @ 115.2 mph
TVR Tamora 3.6 - [2002]11.84 seconds @ 115.0 mph
Dodge Viper SRT-10 8.3 V10 - [2005]11.84 seconds @ 115.0 mph
Audi R8 6.0 Quattro V12 TDI - [2009]11.87 seconds @ 114.7 mph
Ferrari F430 4.3 V8 Spider - [2005]11.88 seconds @ 114.7 mph
KTM X-Bow GT 2.0 Turbo - [2013]11.89 seconds @ 114.5 mph
Noble M12 GTO 3R - [2003]11.89 seconds @ 114.5 mph
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VIII MR FQ 400 - [2004]11.89 seconds @ 114.5 mph
Ford Mustang GT 500 - [2010]11.90 seconds @ 114.5 mph
Porsche 911 GT2 996 - [2000]11.91 seconds @ 114.3 mph
Aston-Martin Vanquish 5.9 V12 - [2012]11.95 seconds @ 114.0 mph
Mercedes CLK DTM Cabriolet - [2006]11.96 seconds @ 113.9 mph
Lotus Exige S 3.5 V6 - [2012]11.97 seconds @ 113.8 mph
TVR T350 C 3.6 - [2003]11.98 seconds @ 113.7 mph

Stunning time. That said, it would be way down that list in terms of what I'd rather have!

[RenesisEvo]

j4ck100 said:

The S40 diesel won that one but EOS had passenger on board then later with no passengers the EOS snipped it, closer than it should be though 160bhp in the EOS 140 in the volvo

I saw that run at the end of the day - I would have liked to have trialled my Mazda against the Volvo - just about got ahead of the EOS on the first go; the second run wasn't as close as the VW bogged down. Same bhp (160) but the VW has more torque more of the time, being forced induction (240Nm from 1800rpm plays 188Nm at 5000rpm).

[djdest]

Going to this and the MBW SS makes me realise my 330d is boring, I need an exciting car again!
The fact that no one took a photo of it at either backs up that theory
Trouble is, its a fantastic allrounder... decisions decisions.

[James Drake]

Hi all,

Not sure if you've seen this week's Win On Wednesday that I've just set live... but it may interest some of you as the prize is a passenger ride in Santa Pod's 1,000hp 2 seat dragster... http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

Good luck if you choose to enter! (why wouldn't you, it's free!)

JD

[CHR15 G]

xjay1337 said:

tombstone said:

well.... it's been run on three rolling roads, all within 17bhp..so not far out! Best was 358... But, it just can't put the power down nicely as it sits, even though it's got launch control mapped in it, traction control.. but no LSD. Once it's rolling it's pretty good for a people carrier! At the most recent live mapping session, when the bigger intercooler went on, it's pretty consistent power-wise, always seems to be strong mid range..but a combination of very tired suspension and not being used to launching it on Sunday didn't help! But it's still a very quick courtesy car....!

xjay1337 said:

I spoke to the Zafira owner.
He was a nice guy, but he claimed 350bhp WHEEL horse power (about 380 crank?)
Based on the times I saw it was not as powerful as he claimed I believe.

Edited by tombstone on Tuesday 5th April 13:13

Only going on the speeds and terminals.
It is an impressive build even more so for an MPV

As I have said in previous posts the track was very unfair on the day and conditions didn't seem the best for anyone, we were all doing horrific times lol.

What were the Zafira times? How much does it weigh?

I've got 325bhp at the flywheel in the Focus and managed a 14.5@100 for my third and final run, where it was putting the power down quite nicely. Running 245mm tyres up front.

[xjay1337]

I think he was doing mid 15s? It was really hard for the chap to get the power down, first looked good but when it went into second it seemed to not like it!

Track was very harsh as I said.
I did 14.66 with a passenger which was about half a second off my cars recorded (I am 250ish fly bhp) so I reckon take half a second off your time for a "normal" time hah.

[TheTyreAbuser]

xjay1337 said:

.. so I reckon take half a second off your time for a "normal" time hah.

Winner, that means my 2 up Fiesta did a 14.3 :P