"Icons by the Lake" Virginia Water Lake - Sun 16th October

[andrew james]

There is so much talk about this event on social media and some extremely unhappy peaple, I really cannot see this event going ahead. After attending the Haynes breakfast meet last Sunday, there was big talk about snobbery and arrogant peaple who are ruining certain events.As I have previously stated, i am happy to mix with anybody that has a love of cars, regardless of whether they have a mordenised Fiesta or a Ferrari Enzo. The general view amongst the people I spoke to, was that this event has caused a lot of controversy and anger and as its a public car park I have the feeling that the car park is going to be taken over by lots of peaple who are not happy with the way the event has been run.

[ecsrobin]

andrew james said:

There is so much talk about this event on social media and some extremely unhappy peaple, I really cannot see this event going ahead. After attending the Haynes breakfast meet last Sunday, there was big talk about snobbery and arrogant peaple who are ruining certain events.As I have previously stated, i am happy to mix with anybody that has a love of cars, regardless of whether they have a mordenised Fiesta or a Ferrari Enzo. The general view amongst the people I spoke to, was that this event has caused a lot of controversy and anger and as its a public car park I have the feeling that the car park is going to be taken over by lots of peaple who are not happy with the way the event has been run.

Please share. I always like a laugh at people on social media.

[Kyodo]

Argh!!

This not about snobbery, it's about the parking! Everybody wants people to enjoy the morning regardless of how much money they have or what car they drive, the more the merrier in fact. But, there's only so much space and it is NOT on public land.

We're all enthusiasts but if anyone holds the opinion that the style of organisation of this isn't for them then that's fair enough, popping along isn't compulsory.

[DomTurner]

Is the P1 GTR still coming if so ,amazing! Would also love to see a P1 next to it, see you on Sunday!

[jtremlett]

andrew james said:

There is so much talk about this event on social media and some extremely unhappy peaple, I really cannot see this event going ahead. After attending the Haynes breakfast meet last Sunday, there was big talk about snobbery and arrogant peaple who are ruining certain events.As I have previously stated, i am happy to mix with anybody that has a love of cars, regardless of whether they have a mordenised Fiesta or a Ferrari Enzo. The general view amongst the people I spoke to, was that this event has caused a lot of controversy and anger and as its a public car park I have the feeling that the car park is going to be taken over by lots of peaple who are not happy with the way the event has been run.

Some people are just determined to be offended. If there's a Mini meet at Silverstone or an American car meet at Brooklands then surely you don't expect to be able to park in the middle of the event with your Lamborghini? There is no difference with this. There is limited space, if you don't turn up with an appropriate car then you need to find somewhere else to park. It really isn't too complicated to grasp.

Jonathan

[Fuoco]

There are a small number of people looking to whip up something from nothing for a bit of fun, for gods sake move onto something else would you! there was nothing in the wording that had anything to do with classism just about trying to organise a social gathering, Ian 100 organises a few of these a year and he doesn't communicate the venue on the forums but emails the people on the list only. We are all petrolheads regardless of the cars we drive, i have so many positive comments from all ages and backgrounds, its so nice to talk about the car and peoples first memory of a particular car and event. It is a public carpark and we too are the public!

andrew james said:

There is so much talk about this event on social media and some extremely unhappy peaple, I really cannot see this event going ahead. After attending the Haynes breakfast meet last Sunday, there was big talk about snobbery and arrogant peaple who are ruining certain events.As I have previously stated, i am happy to mix with anybody that has a love of cars, regardless of whether they have a mordenised Fiesta or a Ferrari Enzo. The general view amongst the people I spoke to, was that this event has caused a lot of controversy and anger and as its a public car park I have the feeling that the car park is going to be taken over by lots of peaple who are not happy with the way the event has been run.

[ecsrobin]

jtremlett said:

andrew james said:

There is so much talk about this event on social media and some extremely unhappy peaple, I really cannot see this event going ahead. After attending the Haynes breakfast meet last Sunday, there was big talk about snobbery and arrogant peaple who are ruining certain events.As I have previously stated, i am happy to mix with anybody that has a love of cars, regardless of whether they have a mordenised Fiesta or a Ferrari Enzo. The general view amongst the people I spoke to, was that this event has caused a lot of controversy and anger and as its a public car park I have the feeling that the car park is going to be taken over by lots of peaple who are not happy with the way the event has been run.

Some people are just determined to be offended. If there's a Mini meet at Silverstone or an American car meet at Brooklands then surely you don't expect to be able to park in the middle of the event with your Lamborghini? There is no difference with this. There is limited space, if you don't turn up with an appropriate car then you need to find somewhere else to park. It really isn't too complicated to grasp.

Jonathan

But that alternative car park people have been told not to Park in?

[ashleyman]

It's a pretty risky strategy to name an event after the location based on the good will of the land owner.

However, I was hoping to go but I'm really confused as to wether I'm even allowed to go in a normal car and park in the normal public car park area to have a look round or if I need to take a special car to be allowed in?

[jtremlett]

ecsrobin said:

But that alternative car park people have been told not to Park in?

As has already been mentioned by other posters above there are a good number of designated parking spaces along the sides of the road in both directions. It really isn't that complicated.

Jonathan

[Lynchie999]

jtremlett said:

ecsrobin said:

But that alternative car park people have been told not to Park in?

As has already been mentioned by other posters above there are a good number of designated parking spaces along the sides of the road in both directions. It really isn't that complicated.

Jonathan

... but thats too many people and the next event will be cancelled!

[yellowjack]

As I've said before. It won't be a carpark full of correctly parked "normal" cars that gets this thing cancelled. Because Doris and Derek can't tell whether those "normal" cars have turned up to salivate over a carpark half filled with precious metal, or whether they're taking Fido for a lap of the lake.

But what Doris and Derek WILL see is the half-empty half of the carpark that they're (albeit temporarily) prohibited from using because the supercar superheroes have coned it off so that they may park "imaginatively".

That, and the fact that, due to the unique way in which 'Social Media' works, there's absolutely no point in trying to dissuade the reasonably sensible PH collective from attending in their own "normal" cars. Because as soon as those supercars start rolling in and parking up, the tweets, facebook posts, and plain ordinary texts/emails will be flying around like shrapnel on the Somme, and every hoodie-wearing, baggy-trousered "Kroozer" in Surrey and Berkshire will be wheel-spinning their way to Virginia Water, and at that point all control of the event, and the attendees, will be well beyond the control of whomever is organising it.

Maybe it should move up to Smiths Lawn, or the Guards Polo Club? That way, the supercars can be kept separate from the rank and file, aesthetic purity will be maintained, and it will require some commitment (and a fair old walk) from those who attend in "normal" cars if they wish to view the cars invited to attend this meeting?

[Kyodo]

yellowjack said:

That, and the fact that, due to the unique way in which 'Social Media' works, there's absolutely no point in trying to dissuade the reasonably sensible PH collective from attending in their own "normal" cars. Because as soon as those supercars start rolling in and parking up, the tweets, facebook posts, and plain ordinary texts/emails will be flying around like shrapnel on the Somme, and every hoodie-wearing, baggy-trousered "Kroozer" in Surrey and Berkshire will be wheel-spinning their way to Virginia Water, and at that point all control of the event, and the attendees, will be well beyond the control of whomever is organising it.

Maybe it should move up to Smiths Lawn, or the Guards Polo Club? That way, the supercars can be kept separate from the rank and file, aesthetic purity will be maintained, and it will require some commitment (and a fair old walk) from those who attend in "normal" cars if they wish to view the cars invited to attend this meeting?

Lol, spot on!

The venue suggestion would be a great alternative, although coffee and toilets may be a bit of a problem.

[sssdu01]

It looks simple to me supercars in the supercar car park and I think the organiser is just asking non supercar drivers to consider that dog walkers will want to use the car park so try and park somewhere else if they can. If loads of dog walkers complain the event wont be allowed back and that's another venue lost to car events.

I dont think its intentional snobbery its pragmatism. Remember guys this is a free event, no one is taking any money or making any money, and for all those who think the organiser is being a snob and should sod off with his posh cars to a private venue ......... be careful what you wish for, as private venue events are organised in secret and petrol heads don't get the chance to turn up at a free event to see some epic cars all in one place.

I think its better to have a public event in a public place free for enthusiasts. The one thing most likely to kill the event is the enthusiasm of the public to see all the super cars that will attend. If I was attending without a supercar, I would want to park off site, watch and listen to all the cars driving in, and then walk to the car park to view later.

Yes Wilton etc have their big events but with the cars roped off - and unless you have a supercar then you have to pay to get in, Supercar Driver events are "secret" for members only, VMax has no spectators etc. Please tell me where you can go to see just about every type of supercar for free, take pictures and mingle around the cars and chat to the owners etc.

[DasChin]

good grief yellowjack what is your issue? there are a huge amount of supercar owners who are not snobs. they got lucky or saved up, bought a while ago or just done well in business.

I really hope you have not been using social media to whip this up and a load of idiots turn up and ruin it for everyone!

its NOT a public car park as its on private land. crown estate at that, at any time the land owner can choose to close it and keep cars out. fact. its not run by Egham council for example like car parks in the town centre.

its a simple rule to follow....

- shopping trolleys are of course allowed in. park on the left.
- supercars to the right.

you should get the gist when you arrive and its pretty obvious where Golfs should be.

mind you I reckon you will be parking down the road and hiking in with your back pack and flask at this rate.

anyway hoping for good weather, a decent turn and not too many chip on the shoulder duschers around.

Edited by DasChin on Monday 10th October 20:22

[NickMexicos]

1) Steve99 - 360 Challenge Stradale
2) NoLiftShift - 2015 Viper GTC (1 of 1 built for Pitbull) and maybe 458 spider in tow
3) Rochester TVR - Alfa Romeo 4C & TVR Chimaera
4) Kyodo - 360 Modena (Lee, my wife says I've got to collect the last tenner for the yearbook. It was hers, not mine!!
5) Piers84 - 997.1 GT3
6) Tree7777 991 GT3RS
7) 100 IAN - Lamborghini Diablo
8) Mrs 100 IAN - McLaren 12C or Ferrari F355
9) Hi Stu X - McLaren 650
10) AdamC3046 - TVR 350i
11) E600 - AMG 55SL
12) JonnyCakes - Noble M12 3R
13) ps01 - 997 GT3
14) carmaddave - 996 GT2
15) Bikeracer -997.2 turbo
16) Palmer - Lotus Esprit V8
17) NickMexicos- E92 M3 GTP

Hope I'm aloud if this events still going ahead

[yellowjack]

DasChin said:

good grief yellowjack what is your issue? there are a huge amount of supercar owners who are not snobs. they got lucky or saved up, bought a while ago or just done well in business.

I really hope you have not been using social media to whip this up and a load of idiots turn up and ruin it for everyone!

its NOT a public car park as its on private land. crown estate at that, at any time the land owner can choose to close it and keep cars out. fact. its not run by Egham council for example like car parks in the town centre...

a) I have no issue. But I like a debate. Sometimes I even play "Devil's Advocate" for sts and giggles. For the record, I have not accused anyone of being a "snob" in this thread. I HAVE pointed out that some of what was said early on could quite easily be construed as being of snobbish intent.

b) Me? Using social media? You haven't the first clue about me sir. I have two online accounts on sites which have any form of 'sociable' interaction. This is one of them, the other is for my cycling. I will certainly not be stirring up any trouble on 'social media' as I'd need to sign up to the likes of Twitter and Facebook for that

c) It may well be on private land, but then most 'public' car parks are. This is a public car park in terms of legal definition. A car park where, upon paying an appropriate fee, members of the public may park their cars without specific invitation within published opening times. If it were not a 'public' car park, then parking would be by invitation, or by permit holders only. In terms of the land owner being able to close the car park and keep cars out, it is EXACTLY like a town centre car park run by the likes of Egham council or NCP.

At the risk of repeating myself, my issue is NOT with supercar owners. Several members of my family are owners themselves, although mainly more the 'classic' (sub?)supercars (XK120, Dino, DB6). My issue is, and always has been, the request to the greater portion of PHers to not attend, or to park elsewhere.

Again, repeating myself, but as has been pointed out, this car park is not being closed to the public for the event. Half of it will be very much "business as usual" for The Crown Estate. That is to say, CE will not be controlling access, and they will revel in the fact that the pay machines will be taking in plenty of money as a result of the event. Crown Estates will not care whether their tills are ringing to the tune of dog walkers or petrolheads. I'm pretty sure that, if pressed on the subject, they'd prefer the petrolheads because they don't tend to leave turds on footpaths.


The fear of complaints, and the possibility of the event being canned due to complaints from "regulars" simply demonstrates all that is wrong with society these days. That a moaning, miserable, selfish bunch of s could get an occasional event banned simply because they couldn't park to walk Fido one Sunday morning is ridiculous (to any sensible, reasonable person), and the height of hypocrisy. There are many car parks, all around the Great Park (some of them are fee-free!). They ALL run on a limited capacity, first come first served basis. By the reasoning of any complainant, dog walkers ought to be banned from parking in the VW A30 car park on account of how non-dog walking members of the public cannot access the site during peak periods.

Which has been my point all along. Someone has arranged an event with CE. As a result, an agreement has been reached to reserve a portion of the car park. This is fine. In just the same way as public car parks frequently get closed off (by the land owner) in market towns all over the country on market day. The remaining, unreserved portion of the car park is open as normal. Same as in the market day example. This remaining, normally functioning portion of said car park has no alteration to it's access conditions, nor is it set aside for use by specific groups. First come, first served, pay your fee on exit, just like always. If the spaces are all full, just as happens in busy periods in school summer holiday time, then new arrivals will have to suck it up and drive elsewhere to do whatever it is they want to do at Virginia Water. In those terms, it really is S I M P L E to understand. The event has been invited because Crown Estate see it as a mutually beneficial thing. They think it will bring revenue. Maximising revenue is a fundamental part of their job in looking after the parks. The event will not be canned due to a car park full of petrolheads. If it does get 'uninvited' it'll be because the numbers don't stack up for CE, and they see more revenue from dog walkers and young families out on any given Sunday morning. You want to guarantee the future of the event? Pay for car parking, and buy bacon, coffee, and cake.

So for the record, my "issue" (if indeed it is to be considered an issue) is simply that I won't be told by A.N.Other car park user that I can't park somewhere. That will be between me and the land owner (or their appointed car park management company). If I turn up (as has happened in the past at Virginia Water) and there's a park Ranger parked across the entrance preventing access, then I'll either go elsewhere, or go home, but you can be assured that if the gates are open and the machine issues me a ticket, then I'll park (subject to published terms and conditions) where the hell I please. That is all.

ETA:

To save you the trouble...

yellowjack said:

...and simply oozes snobbery...

yellowjack said:

...Now I'm imagining a bunch of chinless wonders in branded 'driving shoes' and zip-up jackets ...

yellowjack said:

...No. Not a trace of snobbery about it...

...so yes. I apologise. Taken in isolation those snippets do reflect rather poorly on me now that I've gone back through it. But I stand by my assertion that I have not directly accused anyone of snobbery.

Edited by yellowjack on Tuesday 11th October 10:59

[A45Ellis]

The problem with this post is you've rubbed people up the wrong way with the "modified fiesta" comment. No need for it and we know exactly what you're referring to.

I can't believe you expect people to want to turn up in "non super cars" and not need to park. This sort of event is going to attract a lot of people. It's common sense.

Also, if it's for supercars and Hypercars is their a vetting process with the online application?

I filled it out and got accepted in my A45 AMG. It's very quick. You don't see many. But it's not a super car. Yet I've been told I can be on show.

Next time I think you need to word it better. Show some consistency.

Oh and don't worry if you upset some dog walkers. They may not like it but it's tough.

You also seem to have organised a spectator event and aren't expecting any spectators to want to park their personal vehicles. Either highly optimistic or a poor piece of judgement.

Edited by A45Ellis on Tuesday 11th October 11:37

Edited by A45Ellis on Tuesday 11th October 11:54

[countzero]

sssdu01 said:

Please tell me where you can go to see just about every type of supercar for free, take pictures and mingle around the cars and chat to the owners etc.

Goodwood?

[sssdu01]

So you get free entry to Goodwood then ??? Its even more "snobby" as they have a dress code !!!

[steve2]

sssdu01 said:

So you get free entry to Goodwood then ??? Its even more "snobby" as they have a dress code !!!

I think he is referring to Supercar Sunday and other breakfast meets, no dress code there