Car rallies and runs to be called off

[mybrainhurts]

GreenV8S said:

This can only be a good thing for the vast majority of us who aren't irresponsible pillocks.

So you think it not acceptable to resurrect such events as the London Mexico Rally and other old classics...?

[GreenV8S]

mybrainhurts said:

GreenV8S said:

This can only be a good thing for the vast majority of us who aren't irresponsible pillocks.

So you think it not acceptable to resurrect such events as the London Mexico Rally and other old classics...?

There are plenty of ways to go touring with your mates without putting other people at risk, and there are plenty of ways to go endurance racing if you have the money to pay for it. Just because people have nice cars and enough time and money available to do this sort of thing, doesn't mean it's acceptable.



I don't think it's acceptable to put the public at risk by driving dangerously. The behaviour we see glamorised on the Gumball rallies is not just dangerous, it is obviously very dangerous. Driving long distances while exhausted and/or drunk, carving through traffic at high speed and generally being irresponsible. If I found myself involved in that sort of stupidity I would be ashamed. I don't want to be associated with them, I don't condone what they're doing, and if action is being taken to get them off the roads then frankly I'm 100% in favour of it.

[chris_crossley]

My last ever group drive out was a few years ago.
If had driving by 2 people that can only be described as
seriously dangerous. Overtaking on a blind bend coming up
to the brow of a hill with double white lines. I told them
once we had arrived at the destination. It was the last drive
out we went on.

I have no issue with appropriate speed.
The gumball breaks all the safty rules.
1) Driving early after a late night of drinking
2) Lack of sleep
3) Different signs and country driving standards
4) Ultra high speed on public roads 150mph+
There is no comparrison between the Hoons and gumball. To ban them would be totally over the top. Knowing the government they will invent a Hoon tax rather than ban it.

[Greensleeves]

Events such as the Gumball that don't meet any regulations such as MSA or FIA with regard to maximum average speeds, route authorisation or anything like that are illegal anyway! How can you ban something that's already illegal? It's like saying I think we'll ban Heroin tomorrow!

Simply make them fall in to line with every serious event. If they don't they're illegal. End of story. It's all bullshit about banning them.

Each individual in the "rally" is perfectly entitled to drive wherever they want to and providing they're not doing it illegally there's nothing anyone can do to stop them so there's not really a problem.

[GreenV8S]

Greensleeves said:

Events such as the Gumball that don't meet any regulations such as MSA or FIA with regard to maximum average speeds, route authorisation or anything like that are illegal anyway!

I don't see that the MSA or FIA have anything to do with it. These events don't correspond to any of the motorsport disciplines recognised by the MSA and I don't imagine you would be able to get an MSA permit to cover them. In any case the MSA or FIA don't override the law of the land. Driving dangerously on public roads is illegal in this country (and most others), and that's all there is to it.

[dilbert]

GreenV8S said:

Greensleeves said:

Events such as the Gumball that don't meet any regulations such as MSA or FIA with regard to maximum average speeds, route authorisation or anything like that are illegal anyway!

I don't see that the MSA or FIA have anything to do with it. These events don't correspond to any of the motorsport disciplines recognised by the MSA and I don't imagine you would be able to get an MSA permit to cover them. In any case the MSA or FIA don't override the law of the land. Driving dangerously on public roads is illegal in this country (and most others), and that's all there is to it.

I think that from the footage I have seen of the gumball suggests that they ought to be "Sponsored by Coke". With that in mind, who cares if they kill themselves. I do care when they kill other people though.

I think that this point about the FIA is an interesting one though. The point is that they are not regulated, this is essentially an "underground" activity or movement.

Ban it, and it's status balloons, whilst the activity is driven further underground. Then it really can be sponsored by coke........

Regulate it, and nobody who currently enters can get in, or be bothered to do what it takes to compete properly in motorsport.

Just keep following the white line lads!!!!

Edited by dilbert on Sunday 27th May 01:46

[GALLARDOGUY]

e36guy said:

Here here.

Have always hated everything about the Gumball. Driving all day and pissing it up all night (and christ knows what up the nose!) doth not make for a safe drive. Can't believe it's taken this long for someone to be killed and I hope that Nicholas Morley gets the book thrown at him.

But banning road rallies altogether would be waaaay too over the top.
One death out of thousands of individual journeys......

spot on. even without the booze & the (inevitable) gear these people do, they are being asked to drive huge distances in ridiculously inappropriate time scales, due to poor organisation etc etc.

on top of that, the way these pricks act up for the camera meant that if things went wrong there would be little sympathy for them.

fatalities were only a matter of time, i'm just sorry it was an innocent road user & his wife who were the victims.

money doesnt buy class, but it certainly makes some people act like wrs!

[Greensleeves]

GreenV8S said:

These events don't correspond to any of the motorsport disciplines recognised by the MSA and I don't imagine you would be able to get an MSA permit to cover them. In any case the MSA or FIA don't override the law of the land. Driving dangerously on public roads is illegal in this country (and most others), and that's all there is to it.

My point exactly,

GreenV8S said:

I don't see that the MSA or FIA have anything to do with it.

I think you're wrong about the MSA (and probably the FIA) having nothing to do with it. Any motoring event which takes place in the UK has to be sanctioned by the MSA before it is passed on to the pleece. I'm sure some other countries have similar laws or adopt FIA rules? Not sure that all will.

It would be fairly easy for the organisers to comply by setting routes and timetables within the regulations but then it's the eejits behind the wheel's responsibility to remain within the law and I don't think that will ever happen. It would become what's known as a touring assembly!

I can see it now. "Gumball 12,000 Touring Assembly. Bring a shawl for over your knees!"

Which raises the point, is it "legal" or "authorised" already and if so, how do they bring about a law that will ban that rally and not the WRC for example?

[Wilder]

lordbenny said:

dougc said:

lordbenny said:

GreenV8S said:

This can only be a good thing for the vast majority of us who aren't irresponsible pillocks.

head!

Easy mate, thats a bit harsh. I think Green has a point. No-one wants to be associated with the sort of driving so often seen and publicised on TV shows about the Gamball and its ilk. I'm not talking about speed, just recklessness. However I share your concern tha this could be used as an excuse to have a go at the law abiding drive out or convoy. The Mid-Essex run to the Forresters for example.

I'm sorry but I feel strongly about this. Gumball has no 'ilk'. The Gumball has fked it up for EVERYONE else. Be it Furball, Megahoon, Chateau Run, Cannonballruneurope, cannonball8000 etc etc. I can assure you that all the runs I have just mentioned ARE organised by car enthusiasts who want to organise a safe, fun event. The Gumball has really thrown a spanner in the works & it will affect all off us whether we're on the Cannonball or just driving down to LeMans for the weekend.

Oh please, it wasnt even in this country for feks sake!
Its any excuse to beat the motorist, yet again -tell me why you want any sort of sports or performance car in this nazi police state anyway?

[Lordbenny]

Wilder said:

lordbenny said:

dougc said:

lordbenny said:

GreenV8S said:

This can only be a good thing for the vast majority of us who aren't irresponsible pillocks.

head!

Easy mate, thats a bit harsh. I think Green has a point. No-one wants to be associated with the sort of driving so often seen and publicised on TV shows about the Gamball and its ilk. I'm not talking about speed, just recklessness. However I share your concern tha this could be used as an excuse to have a go at the law abiding drive out or convoy. The Mid-Essex run to the Forresters for example.

I'm sorry but I feel strongly about this. Gumball has no 'ilk'. The Gumball has fked it up for EVERYONE else. Be it Furball, Megahoon, Chateau Run, Cannonballruneurope, cannonball8000 etc etc. I can assure you that all the runs I have just mentioned ARE organised by car enthusiasts who want to organise a safe, fun event. The Gumball has really thrown a spanner in the works & it will affect all off us whether we're on the Cannonball or just driving down to LeMans for the weekend.

Oh please, it wasnt even in this country for feks sake!
Its any excuse to beat the motorist, yet again -tell me why you want any sort of sports or performance car in this nazi police state anyway?

Sorry, Wilder but I dont know why you're quoting me on this one! I agree we're living in a country with too many cameras if thats what you mean?. However, the police cannot, as far as I know, impound your car for 72 hours with no reason & charge you 1000 euros to do it!

As for why I want a performance car, well I love speed (acceleration & handling to be precise) & I know plenty of places in the UK where I can still have fun in my car.

I also don't know why you've said that "it wanst even in this country". Are you refering to the deaths of 2 innocent people tragically killed in a crash with a Gumballer's Porsche? Good job it wasnt your parents on holiday then wasnt it?

[Wilder]

Lordbenny said:

Wilder said:

lordbenny said:

dougc said:

lordbenny said:

GreenV8S said:

This can only be a good thing for the vast majority of us who aren't irresponsible pillocks.

head!

Easy mate, thats a bit harsh. I think Green has a point. No-one wants to be associated with the sort of driving so often seen and publicised on TV shows about the Gamball and its ilk. I'm not talking about speed, just recklessness. However I share your concern tha this could be used as an excuse to have a go at the law abiding drive out or convoy. The Mid-Essex run to the Forresters for example.

I'm sorry but I feel strongly about this. Gumball has no 'ilk'. The Gumball has fked it up for EVERYONE else. Be it Furball, Megahoon, Chateau Run, Cannonballruneurope, cannonball8000 etc etc. I can assure you that all the runs I have just mentioned ARE organised by car enthusiasts who want to organise a safe, fun event. The Gumball has really thrown a spanner in the works & it will affect all off us whether we're on the Cannonball or just driving down to LeMans for the weekend.

Oh please, it wasnt even in this country for feks sake!
Its any excuse to beat the motorist, yet again -tell me why you want any sort of sports or performance car in this nazi police state anyway?

Sorry, Wilder but I dont know why you're quoting me on this one! I agree we're living in a country with too many cameras if thats what you mean?. However, the police cannot, as far as I know, impound your car for 72 hours with no reason & charge you 1000 euros to do it!

As for why I want a performance car, well I love speed (acceleration & handling to be precise) & I know plenty of places in the UK where I can still have fun in my car.

I also don't know why you've said that "it wanst even in this country". Are you refering to the deaths of 2 innocent people tragically killed in a crash with a Gumballer's Porsche? Good job it wasnt your parents on holiday then wasnt it?

You miss the point by a country mile.
As a government, you can take any accident/incident anywhere in the world and then beat a motorist in this country where everything is completely different from the rules of the road, to the way they are policed and regulated. Can you not see the dissparity of using such a smokescreen by the authorities in harassing motorists in this country, who have no connection with that incident other than to say they also drive a Porsche or whatever make?
No one is suggestiong we can or should drive irrisponsibly, but I dont think its right for this strangulation of our motoring freedom until we end up with speed monitors in our cars and a tachogragh thats checked by the police every month , and believe me, we have more regulations for motoring than anywhere else in the world, and its not helping cut road deaths, which by the way, less than 25% of which in the UK, speed was found to be a contributing factor.
The Gumballers are stupid in what they did , both organisers and competitors, but dont blame me or anyone else with a performance car for that.

[flattotheboards]

its about time something was done to stop these reckless pillocks were stopped they give all british drivers a bad name.

[mybrainhurts]

GreenV8S said:

mybrainhurts said:

GreenV8S said:

This can only be a good thing for the vast majority of us who aren't irresponsible pillocks.

So you think it not acceptable to resurrect such events as the London Mexico Rally and other old classics...?

There are plenty of ways to go touring with your mates without putting other people at risk, and there are plenty of ways to go endurance racing if you have the money to pay for it. Just because people have nice cars and enough time and money available to do this sort of thing, doesn't mean it's acceptable.

I don't think it's acceptable to put the public at risk by driving dangerously. The behaviour we see glamorised on the Gumball rallies is not just dangerous, it is obviously very dangerous. Driving long distances while exhausted and/or drunk, carving through traffic at high speed and generally being irresponsible. If I found myself involved in that sort of stupidity I would be ashamed. I don't want to be associated with them, I don't condone what they're doing, and if action is being taken to get them off the roads then frankly I'm 100% in favour of it.

Whoosh...straight over head, it goes