Peugeot 205 1.9 with Kant cam and 38dgas carb

Peugeot 205 1.9 with Kant cam and 38dgas carb

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packman10_4

245 posts

194 months

Wednesday 13th June 2012
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From memorey the trumpets were 40mm tall make sure there is a goog seal around the trumpets , the air filter was a tall K&N Item let us know the results.

Keesjr

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57 posts

146 months

Wednesday 13th June 2012
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Hi, the trumpets i have here are 40 mm in height, going to fit them this evening and race them at the track (autograss) next saturday.
Should be getting close to 130-ish @ the wheels.
Next "development" will be the 4-1 or 4-2-1 pipe, although i'm biased to the 4-1 design, probably with a megaphone on it, that should bring in the torque a bit earlier and keep the power climbing longer, so maybe peaking @ 7000 instead of 6600 now.
I'll keep posting the results.

Keesjr

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57 posts

146 months

Wednesday 13th June 2012
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Instead of two trumpets, i'm fabbing something up like the K&N flow control for two-barrel carbs, if it works on a V8, it should also work on a fourcylinder :-)


Edited by Keesjr on Wednesday 13th June 21:23

packman10_4

245 posts

194 months

Thursday 14th June 2012
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Manifolds and systems didnt seem to make more power or torque all they done id say all was to lower the revs for were it made power witch in turn made it more drivable but some people just didnt get it !!!!!

I use to fit a lot of Magnex manifolds 4-2-1 and 2 1/4 systems on 1.6 & 1.9 Gti,s they then made power at around 5200 rpm instead of 6200 rpm but one other good thing was it held the power right through till 7200 , ive got a friend who had a rather nice 1.6 git with over 100 k on the engine. Well the head gasket went so i just skimmed the head and 3 angled the valves seats and fitted just a Magnex system not the manifold and it made a very useable 116hp flywheel at 5200 but still going strong at 7200 what a great little engine.

Keesjr

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57 posts

146 months

Thursday 14th June 2012
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Then i may be better off with the stock manifold and downpipe and the 2 1/8" pipe i've fitted at the moment.
The "flow control" thing is in place now, so see what it does on the racetrack...
On the other hand IF it's possible to fabricate a 4-1 or 4-2-1 that looses no power down low AND gives even more on top that would be just awesome

packman10_4

245 posts

194 months

Friday 15th June 2012
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By all accounts the stock manifold with a geniune OEM down pipe is hard to beat on lighty modded engines. Not sure at what stage you would need to go over to a bispoke manifold from the likes of Tony Law ect ect

Keesjr

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57 posts

146 months

Sunday 17th June 2012
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The home-made flow control thing is working good! It feels like it's making a bit more power and torque throughout the powerband, so i think it gained another 4-5 bhp or so :-)
For the time being i'm keeping the stock manifold and downpipe because the class regs don't allow tubular manifolds.

Keesjr

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57 posts

146 months

Monday 18th June 2012
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Good news, it's too quick for the group i've been driving in so far this year, so i'm moving to a quicker class where it IS allowed to run tubular manifolds and more important double carbs :-)
I have a set of twin 45's in stock with manifold and everything to fit them, should be possible to get over 150 @ the wheels and lots of torque too.

packman10_4

245 posts

194 months

Tuesday 19th June 2012
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Thats good you will need to sort out keeping the hot air from the carbs so a air box will be needed or as ive done before is get a deeper smaller rad made so this can be mounted ofset to the carbs or make it so the top of the rad is sitting below the bellmouths.

Fitting then is easy getting them to work at there best is good fun.

Keesjr

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57 posts

146 months

Thursday 21st June 2012
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The webers and intakemanifold are fitted now, it started first time and runs nice, next step is fitting some nice full-radius trumpets 45mm height and a big air filter, then it's back to the rolling road once more to check and change the jetting if needed.
And make a good heatshield to keep the hot air from the radiator away from the filter and carbs.
Hope to see 150+ bhp @ the wheels....

packman10_4

245 posts

194 months

Friday 22nd June 2012
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Great im thinking @ 130- 145 wheel figure , remember power is good tourque spread is better plus its the way it drives

Keesjr

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57 posts

146 months

Monday 25th June 2012
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Yes, the torque curve is more important than outright top-end power.
I have to fit an alloy sump now, because these have the mounting bosses to fit the alternator lower because of the carburettors.
I'm also fitting stronger rodbolts now the sump is off the engine.
Next step will be a bigger radiator to keep the temperature of the engine low enough with the extra power :-)

Keesjr

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57 posts

146 months

Tuesday 3rd July 2012
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More power! I'm going to fit an 1900 crank and 1600 pistons, because the 1900 pistons have a hollow top and the 1600's have flat tops, should increase the comprssion from 10:1 to about 11.5:1
I'll post the results after again a trip to the rollers, should give a healthy increase in power and torque.

Keesjr

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57 posts

146 months

Monday 6th August 2012
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The pistons and twin 45's are fitted now, it runs nice too, next friday it's a new trip to the rolling road again to see how much power it makes and to set up the webers as good as possible, hope to see about 140 whp or more :-)
Also does anybody know if a crankshaft from a 2200 16V (EW) engine fits into my old XU type engine, it has a stroke of 96 millimeters instead of the 88 millimeters it has now, and which conrods should fit, or are custom rods needed.
Or take an XU10 8 valver from a 406 / Xantia with 86 mm bore and the 96 mm crank for the full 2230 cc's. should make a lot of torque then!

dom9

8,078 posts

209 months

Tuesday 7th August 2012
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Keesjr said:
The pistons and twin 45's are fitted now, it runs nice too, next friday it's a new trip to the rolling road again to see how much power it makes and to set up the webers as good as possible, hope to see about 140 whp or more :-)
Also does anybody know if a crankshaft from a 2200 16V (EW) engine fits into my old XU type engine, it has a stroke of 96 millimeters instead of the 88 millimeters it has now, and which conrods should fit, or are custom rods needed.
Or take an XU10 8 valver from a 406 / Xantia with 86 mm bore and the 96 mm crank for the full 2230 cc's. should make a lot of torque then!
Get yourself over to the technical forums at www.205gtidrivers.com and all your questions will be answered!

From memory, you can't use the EW crank but you may be able to use the 2.2 diesel... Could be wrong, so ask over there but there are loads of hybrid engines with large displacements!

Keesjr

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57 posts

146 months

Wednesday 8th August 2012
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Thx for the link dom9!

Keesjr

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57 posts

146 months

Thursday 9th August 2012
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I'm going to find a crankshaft from an 2.2 XU diesel and a XU10 8-valve engine, should be possible to make it all fit together!

Keesjr

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57 posts

146 months

Friday 10th August 2012
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Been tot the rollers today, and the results are great in my opinion.

With the flattop pistons and the twin 45's the torque went up to 187 nm @ 5100 rpm and the power to 148 bhp @ 6500 rpm, and can still be revved out to 7000 before the power drops off.

At this point 45 mm high full radius trumpets are fitted, might try some 60 and 75 high trumpets to see what happens then :-)



Pumaracing

2,089 posts

207 months

Friday 10th August 2012
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Am I correct in assuming that the cylinder head is still standard?

Keesjr

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57 posts

146 months

Saturday 11th August 2012
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Hello David, the cilinderhead is not standard anymore, some work is done on the ports and valves, the bottom of the inlet ports has been raised with some special filler.
The power is measured at the wheels, and the valve sizes are standard 1.9
The C/R can be raised a bit more by skimming the head i guess..