Diesel - white smoke

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dinkel

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26,939 posts

258 months

Wednesday 8th January 2014
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2011 FIAT Grande Punto 1.3 MJET - fab car and no complaints.

Last months I suffered from serious white smoke under 1st and 2nd gear acceleration . . . but every now and then, every other week.

Also: smell when at stand still and with the engine off. Plastic, oil and also every now and then.

Two weeks ago I had the ECU reset and dropped some oil to set the level.

Engine felt fine and the smoke was gone. I was happy.

Until this afternoon . . . There was the white smoke again. After a few good 3-4K thrashings it was gone.

Any thoughts? Thanks.

350zwelgje

1,820 posts

261 months

Wednesday 8th January 2014
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Difficult to say but would look at:
- carter ventilation not blocked
- an injector not ok: test the injectors, perhaps an OBD tool/scanner can help to tell more on these modern cars

Rob

trickywoo

11,784 posts

230 months

Wednesday 8th January 2014
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dinkel said:
Two weeks ago I had the ECU reset and dropped some oil to set the level.
Was it overfilled with oil?

Is it burning oil?

Is your coolant level staying constant?

Without knowing these its hard to say but smoke plus a burning smell might suggest a turbo oil seal is on its way out.

Best get it looked at professionally as a runaway lubricant burning situation isn't good.

dinkel

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26,939 posts

258 months

Wednesday 8th January 2014
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Coolant level is ok - it was the 1st thing I checked.

turbo oil seal: thought that too.

Carter vent: that is a weak point on these engines. Just a hose.

Thanks for the input. Big Service on its way, within weeks.

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

255 months

Thursday 9th January 2014
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Does the smoke look plain white, or does it have a blue tint?

Out of interest what is a "Carter vent"?

myvision

1,945 posts

136 months

Thursday 9th January 2014
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2011? Is it not still under warranty with Fiat?

dinkel

Original Poster:

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258 months

Thursday 9th January 2014
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May 2011 - May 2013: 2 years.

Carter ventilation.

Smoke looks white to me, no hint of blue.

As it is only now and then - once a week and only for a minute or so - I guess it looks like an 'alternative warning light'.

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

255 months

Thursday 9th January 2014
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dinkel said:
May 2011 - May 2013: 2 years.

Carter ventilation.
'Carter' seems to be French for crankcase, so presumably crankcase ventilation? That is certainly something to check, if the breather system isn't working it will force oil past the rings and turbo seals.

dinkel

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26,939 posts

258 months

Thursday 9th January 2014
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Sorry: carter = sump.

That's why I dropped some oil from the sump to lower the oil level.

:dutch:

S0 What

3,358 posts

172 months

Saturday 11th January 2014
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White smoke is usually unburnt diesel, usually down to a glow plug not heating enough and one cylinder doesn't burn cleanly shoving unburnt diesel out the zorst till that cylinder is up to temp and burning cleanly, or it;s a weeping injector that is filling a cylinder with diesel while stopped ?

smileymikey

1,446 posts

226 months

Saturday 11th January 2014
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S0 What said:
White smoke is usually unburnt diesel, usually down to a glow plug not heating enough and one cylinder doesn't burn cleanly shoving unburnt diesel out the zorst till that cylinder is up to temp and burning cleanly, or it;s a weeping injector that is filling a cylinder with diesel while stopped ?
I thought black smoke was unburnt fuel?

andyiley

9,217 posts

152 months

Saturday 11th January 2014
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The "white smoke" in the case of this is unburnt diesel fuel mist rather than smoke, black smoke from a diesel is "heavily sooted" and not unburnt.

wolf1

3,081 posts

250 months

Saturday 11th January 2014
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It's trying and by the looks of it failing to regen the DPF properly. The higher oil level is due to it being diluted with diesel as the engine injects more to try and get the exhaust temp up high enough. Get it in the garage and get them to run a forced regen on it and change the oil.

Kiwibacon

49 posts

124 months

Sunday 12th January 2014
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White smoke is incomplete combustion. If you don't have a DPF then this can be injection timing too retarded, not enough compressoin, engine running too cold (think winter startup), water in the bores or even air in the fuel.

But if you've got a DPF then that's the prime culprit. Is the car trying to burn off the DPF but can't for some reason? I'd give it a good fast motorway run for half an hour and see how it goes.

dinkel

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258 months

Monday 13th January 2014
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OK, no black smoke . . . but white smoke and indeed mist-like.

As it is only for a minute or so and after 15 mins I can go along with a cocky injector.

The funny odd thing is: I don't feel any loss of power or pick up.

Maybe it's bad diesel - I will try and avoid cheap non-brand fill ups and see what happends.

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

255 months

Monday 13th January 2014
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Kiwibacon said:
White smoke is incomplete combustion.
Black smoke shows incomplete combustion, white smoke is no combustion at all, it's pretty much just vaporised diesel.

dinkel

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26,939 posts

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Thursday 5th February 2015
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Yeah, but why? Running too rich?

It's still there every other week ... and the car is running just fine.

LordLoveLength

1,929 posts

130 months

Monday 9th February 2015
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I'd say it is trying to clean its DPF - Injects Diesel into the exhaust to raise the temp of the DPF. Result is white smoke. So its probably just that. They need a good 20min run at 3k every month or so really. And make sure you only top up with low saps oil, otherwise you will block the dpf.

Other possibility for white smoke is that a new pope has been elected.....

dinkel

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258 months

Monday 9th February 2015
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Lol - good un.

The diesel needs a service every 15K kms. Garage cleans DPF with stuff.

There's an auto mode in the ECU that tells the DPF to burn. When that happends - very rarely, I drive the car! - the display tells me to run the car for at least 10 mins at > 2K revs.

I try and keep the engine at 2K when cold for the first 15 mins. After that I pull up to 3K which is enough to use the gears properly. It's not a winterproblem BTW.

Thanks for the advice: bottemline is is should not worry, it's only unburnt diesel wink

fiat86

1 posts

73 months

Wednesday 7th March 2018
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Hi

I have this exact problem with my Fiat Punto.
Every now and then half way through a journey it will emit a great amount of white smoke. This will persist for about 15 minutes.
I have had it into a garage multiple times - there was a faulty injector that was fixed and a they did a force regen as it looked like the DPF was blocked.

I am at a lost cause now - any ideas what it is? If I need to worry ?!