Rover V8 help

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stevieturbo

17,260 posts

247 months

Friday 11th April 2014
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Cant add more than what Puma has said really. He's certainly a lot more qualified than most to comment

But the report does certainly report no real blame onto you other than the oil ( and his claims about temperature strip readings which arent that bad really ). And blaming the oil is of course BS. I dont think there is an oil available today that would be poor enough to be the problem.

As for the comment about short skirt pistons....I guess they've never worked on any modern engines ?
Short skirts arent exactly uncommon these days even with OEM engines, but they will run much tighter bore clearances than huge skirted pistons.

Boosted LS1

21,185 posts

260 months

Friday 11th April 2014
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Do we have pictures of the piston skirts and a close up of the piston crowns? They look very rich but also show a hint of lean mixture. How was this engine run in? The inlet tracts are nice and clean which is a plus.


Edited by Boosted LS1 on Friday 11th April 22:24


Edited by Boosted LS1 on Friday 11th April 22:31

Pumaracing

2,089 posts

207 months

Saturday 12th April 2014
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Just noting one more thing in his report. He says piston top lands contacting the cylinder walls is a primary cause of piston slap type noises. No it isn't.

The top land on a piston of this size will be circa 0.5mm (20 thou) below nominal bore size. This is to allow for thermal expansion in the most extreme running condition of piston crown temperatures reaching circa 300C in race use. Above this temperature aluminium piston alloys lose strength rapidly so it's kind of academic trying to cater for even higher temperatures.

If you put a piston in a bore and rock it you can't make the top lands touch the bore walls or even come close to them. The couple of thou clearance on the skirt won't allow the piston to rock enough to bring the 20 thou clearance on the lands into contact.

In road use the piston crown temps and land expansion won't come close to taking up the bore clearance. That's why you have loads of carbon on the top lands. If they touched the bores this couldn't form. The carbon actually builds up to take up the clearance.

Piston slap noise is caused by the piston rocking from making contact at the top of the skirt on one side and bottom of the skirt on the other to the reverse. Nowt to f**king do with the ring land area.

If the ring lands are touching the bore walls you've got much more severe problems to solve like why are my pistons melting? smile

combustable

Original Poster:

14 posts

219 months

Sunday 13th April 2014
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The only photos I was sent of the pistons are slightly out of focus....so useless. Still waiting for photos of the bores.
Engine has a Mark Adams ECU so I would hope fuelling was better than standard!!

Running was Cam Breaking a 2000rpm for 10mins then driven with Auto box in Sport mode.......running through the rev range and good use of engine breaking as stipulated in builders running in instructions

debaron

866 posts

197 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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Did this ever get sorted out and the root cause found?

Am starting a build with what look like the same pistons (Icon S02341 - 96mm - 4.8L) and am keen to avoid same problems as OP.

Steve_D

13,746 posts

258 months

Wednesday 26th April 2017
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The OP has not posted on the forum for over a year so may not be around any more.
Try a PM and see if that gets a result.

Steve

debaron

866 posts

197 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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Yeah did ping him a PM - nothing as yet.

I know another PH'er using the same pistons had trouble too....Wondering if there's something up with them or the bore clearances used.