Winter Starting A Perkins - No Glow Plugs

Winter Starting A Perkins - No Glow Plugs

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V8RX7

Original Poster:

26,905 posts

264 months

Monday 29th December 2014
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I got it started.

It's had a past issue with crap in the tank - had 2" of rust, water, wood etc in the bottom, when I bought it a few years ago. I drained & cleaned it with my wife's dish brush but with the only access being via the fuel sender I couldn't get it 100% and the tank is rusty.

I cleaned the separator and found a dirty slime in there, actual filter looks ok (peering in from the top I can see the paper) and the diesel below it is clean & clear and after pumping fresh diesel through and a squirt of diesel down the intake it fired up and then restarted off the key.

I'm unsure if dirt/slime was the issue as the filters weren't blocked, possibly the diesel is just draining back. I'm thinking about mounting a 25 litre container on the roof as that solves both issues - although looks wrong.

It's only run for short periods and can be left for weeks which doesn't do it any favours.

griff 200

509 posts

194 months

Tuesday 30th December 2014
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Glad you got it running you can fit a drain back valve in the fuel line to stop drain back usually works but do change the filter cost is very little and water gets into paper this tends to block the fuel. Well done Richard

Doctor Volt

336 posts

126 months

Tuesday 30th December 2014
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griff 200 said:
Good fun on hear get me head blown off !! Only been working on farm tractors for 40 years most days for a living ? I've been to more starting faults caused by bad earth faults than I care to remember so please don't be so f ing patronising !!!!!!! I did note the one min but don't need an life story on it. Easy start don't use for long periods It tends to dislodge the carbon from the crown of the piston and it goes down the piston side skirt causing the rings to stick so low compression richard
Time is not compairable to knowledge

Happy New Year. Doctor Volt

Doctor Volt

336 posts

126 months

Tuesday 30th December 2014
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V8RX7 said:
I got it started.

It's had a past issue with crap in the tank - had 2" of rust, water, wood etc in the bottom, when I bought it a few years ago. I drained & cleaned it with my wife's dish brush but with the only access being via the fuel sender I couldn't get it 100% and the tank is rusty.

I cleaned the separator and found a dirty slime in there, actual filter looks ok (peering in from the top I can see the paper) and the diesel below it is clean & clear and after pumping fresh diesel through and a squirt of diesel down the intake it fired up and then restarted off the key.

I'm unsure if dirt/slime was the issue as the filters weren't blocked, possibly the diesel is just draining back. I'm thinking about mounting a 25 litre container on the roof as that solves both issues - although looks wrong.

It's only run for short periods and can be left for weeks which doesn't do it any favours.
Pleased to read you have overcome your starting problems

Happy New Year. Doctor Volt

C Lee Farquar

4,069 posts

217 months

Tuesday 30th December 2014
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hidetheelephants said:
I've never found any engine manufacturer recommending their use, even under emergency conditions where I would personally do so, as they do aid starting.
Here you go, OE ether start for Detroit Diesel

Ford also fitted ether start to some tractors, button in the cab.

Doctor Volt

336 posts

126 months

Tuesday 30th December 2014
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C Lee Farquar said:
Here you go, OE ether start for Detroit Diesel

Ford also fitted ether start to some tractors, button in the cab.
Are you unaware that manufacturers make big mistakes in all areas of design

Your above post proves nothing

Happy New Year. Doctor Volt

C Lee Farquar

4,069 posts

217 months

Tuesday 30th December 2014
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It proves that engine manufacturers endorse the use of ether.

anonymous-user

55 months

Tuesday 30th December 2014
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griff 200 said:
Easy start don't use for long periods It tends to dislodge the carbon from the crown of the piston and it goes down the piston side skirt causing the rings to stick so low compression richard
God there are some excellent old wives tales on this thread..............

hidetheelephants

24,481 posts

194 months

Thursday 1st January 2015
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C Lee Farquar said:
It proves that engine manufacturers endorse the use of ether in measured quantity via installed metering equipment.
That's a somewhat different ballgame than the OP squirting a random amount into the air intake.

C Lee Farquar

4,069 posts

217 months

Thursday 1st January 2015
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There's not much point making a issue of this but the ether system on Ford tractors has a solenoid on an ether can which discharges directly into the inlet manifold.

It's exactly the same as if you removed the air cleaner and sprayed easy start in. It's activated by a momentary on/off switch. The operator decides when and for how long.

The John Deere system looks the same, from memory some CAT engines have the same system

John Deere ether start