Flashing 'Engine Management /Exhaust' Light

Flashing 'Engine Management /Exhaust' Light

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Tubs and Flo

Original Poster:

7 posts

108 months

Wednesday 1st April 2015
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Hello, please bear with me I'm new to'gassing'. I currently have a Fabia mk2 (2007) 1.2 HTP 70 which has full dealer service history from new.It has done 34k miles. Never had any issues until this weekend where the engine management light flashes. Here's the symptoms......

  • Only ever happens at speed on the Motorway when its been at the constant speed for a while (around 3000 revs). Engine Management Light flashes & car goes into limp mode.
  • When I pull off the motorway, stop & restart the engine, the light goes out. If I stick to 'A' & 'B' roads light stays off. It only happens when on motorway 60-70mph.
  • No faults are showing when it's 'plugged' in to computer.
  • Car runs totally fine at all other times. Good MPG, no misfire.
I don't really want to be taking it to a garage who might charge for things that really don't need doing as guesswork!

A couple of people have said to take it for a 'good run', but not sure what they mean by this.

I welcome any ideas & appreciate any help you can offer please.

stevieturbo

17,263 posts

247 months

Wednesday 1st April 2015
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The light actually flashes....as opposed to lighting up and staying lit ?

Are you sure it's the management light ?

And when you say no codes when plugged in...are you 100% sure it is no codes, as opposed to the person trying not having full access ?

What equipment are they using to try and retrieve any information ?

But the flashing light is odd...not sure I've seen to many flash.

Tubs and Flo

Original Poster:

7 posts

108 months

Wednesday 1st April 2015
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Hi stevieturbo, thank-you so much for replying. Yes, the light just flashes. (It's the orange light in the shape of an engine). When I stop & restart the engine the light goes out. It only comes back on when I drive 60-70mph (2800-3500 revs) for 10 minutes or so.

Other than that, it drives, revs & ticks over perfectly.

Not sure exactly what kit my mechanic has. He's been very reliable over the 20+ years I've used him & he seems to keep up to date with technical kit.

The only thing i've done differently prior to this happening is put some different fuel in. It was running perfectly & incident free on 'Tesco Momentum 99ron'.

Two days before the fault showing i filled up with 'Esso Premium 97ron' from a Tesco express.
Could this change cause a problem??

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 1st April 2015
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A flashing MIL means the EMS thinks there is a misfire occurring at that moment that is significant enough to result in tailpipe emissions exceeding the mandated pollutant limits. If you upload the stored OBD codes, the system will tell you if the misfire is on a single cylinder only or on all cylinders. if it is only one, you can swap parts between cyls (like coil packs) to see if the misfire moves, and hence identify the faulty part.

Misfire is detected by the EMS looking at changes in crank shaft speed when cylinders fire (or more accurately, a lack of change of crank speed when a misfire occurs). In some cases, the system can be fooled by things like unbalanced wheels/tyres, worn CV joints, knackered engine mounts, or even loose / damaged crank sensors and reluctor rings etc.


However, there is a good chance that the engine is actually misfiring, so first thing i'd do is take a good look around the engine electronics and the plugs etc, looking for water ingress, cracked HT leads or coil packs. It's certainly not unusual for coil packs to start to breakdown only when hot, like during a motorway run at higher engine speeds/loads etc

Tubs and Flo

Original Poster:

7 posts

108 months

Wednesday 1st April 2015
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Hi Max_Torque, thank-you very much for your detailed reply, it really gives me somethings to work with.

I really appreciate your input.

P.S. nothing to do with fuel then?

AER

1,142 posts

270 months

Thursday 2nd April 2015
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Tubs and Flo said:
...when its been at the constant speed for a while (around 3000 revs). Engine Management Light flashes & car goes into limp mode.
What do you mean by "limp mode"? If you get a sudden loss of power, chances are it really is misfiring, possibly on two cylinders. In the case when cylinder pairs (1-4 or 2-3) are misfiring it doesn't necessarily feel very rough at all.

Tubs and Flo

Original Poster:

7 posts

108 months

Thursday 2nd April 2015
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Hi AER,
By 'limp mode' I mean what the owners manual describes as "The engine management system selects an emergency programme which enables you to drive to a garage...using a gentle style of driving".

So I believe the loss of power is enforced by the 'emergency programme'.

AER

1,142 posts

270 months

Thursday 2nd April 2015
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Tubs and Flo said:
Hi AER,
By 'limp mode' I mean what the owners manual describes as "The engine management system selects an emergency programme which enables you to drive to a garage...using a gentle style of driving".

So I believe the loss of power is enforced by the 'emergency programme'.
I understand what you mean by limp (home) mode, but how do you know this has happened? What are the signs? A warning lamp? A change of engine feel? etc...

Tubs and Flo

Original Poster:

7 posts

108 months

Thursday 2nd April 2015
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The car was driving along perfectly, when all of a sudden the engine light started to flash.

After the flashing started, the car started to slow down as if there was a limiter on it.

Pressing on the accelerator would not increase the speed or revs, it seemed limited at around 40mph.

(after looking in the owners manual, I concluded the car had gone into emergency mode).

I pulled off the motorway at next junction, turned the engine off. Turned engine back on & no light.

Carried on to my destination on main roads & car drove perfectly. On my return journey I went back on the motorway & what I described above, happened all over again.

Prior to this there were no signs of a problem, no misfire, car drove perfectly & still is on main roads.

I am sticking to main roads for now & car is still driving perfectly.

My local mechanic has plugged my car into vag-com & no faults show. He's checked the car over & changed the plugs as these were passed their best. He could find nothing else that was wrong.

I tried motorway again with new plugs & exactly the same thing happened!

Le TVR

3,092 posts

251 months

Thursday 2nd April 2015
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I thought this was the exhaust warning (despite it being engine shape!) possibly a faulty O2 or temperature sensor etc?

Tubs and Flo

Original Poster:

7 posts

108 months

Thursday 2nd April 2015
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Hi Le TVR

Technically it is the exhaust warning light, but so many components affect it. Including plugs, coil, bad wire etc.

I've taken it for a good 'hard workout' today to burn off the Esso fuel. Filled it back up with Tesco Momentum 99Ron & the problem seems to have gone!!??

I'll see how it goes over the weekend.

Spangles

1,441 posts

185 months

Friday 3rd April 2015
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Tubs and Flo said:
My local mechanic has plugged my car into vag-com & no faults show.
Really? A proper, up to date, legit copy of VCDS? I find it hard to believe that no codes are stored if lights are flashing and it's going into limp mode.

Tubs and Flo

Original Poster:

7 posts

108 months

Friday 3rd April 2015
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Yes, a proper, up to date, legit copy of VCDS & no fault codes.

I've also been looking on Briskoda & it's not uncommon for faults not to be logged if the warning light only flashes. If the light stays solid then that's a different matter....apparently.