Would the engine still start with a blown Headgasket?

[zakmuh]

Hi everyone,

Ive got starting problem with my Peugeot 407 2.0 HDi. While driving smoked a lot and lost power. Tried starting yesterday day morning but engine struggled and wouldnt run for long, just for 10 seconds max then cuts off. Grey smoke with unbrunt diesel smell. Tried second time, didnt start at all. Tried again today morning, lasted only for 10 seconds and cut off. Second time didnt start-same again. Engine oil had completely drained but no oil leaks. I reckon the headgasket blown/faulty fuel pump/faulty injectors.

Would an engine start and run with a blown headgasket?

[stevieturbo]

zakmuh said:

Hi everyone,

Would an engine start and run with a blown headgasket?

That depends on how it's blown. Yes and No.

[Pumaracing]

How many threads do you think you need to start in the space of a couple of hours to ask the same question and do you think that multiple ones will:

A) Make people more likely to want to answer you?
B) Make people less likely to want to answer you?

[andyiley]

You beat me to it.

Maybe this is another car & he didn't drive this one for 50 mile with no oil first.

[zakmuh]

Its the same car which did 50 miles without oil lolz! Sorry guys I was desperate for a solution. As you know I cant be the only one having this particular issue. So trying to get an answer from someone who had faced the same issue and solved it. Im trying to knowledge me from all direction before taking to a garage. You know them...sometime they dont know what exactly theyre doing. Anyways thanks for your thoughts. Ive got an update:

I jacked up the car and went underneath. The turbo unit is leaking black oil and couple of bolts and nuts missing in the bracket. It looks like the garage guy did a cowboy job. From all these I think I can confirm I need to repair/replace the turbo

I thought I'd cut the cost buy taking it off myself but it looks like no way I can access it from the bottom. No enough room on top. Moving the engine forward to access turbo by removing the engine mount- might knacker the AC piping?

Any advice?

[stevieturbo]

zakmuh said:

Any advice?

yes, take it to a competent mechanic.

[andyiley]

^^^^^^^ What 'e said.

[crossy67]

Is it the RHR engine? If so they're a pain in the arse to get to, you need to remove the drive shaft then learn how to wallpaper your hall through your letterbox.

[zakmuh]

Thanks to everyone for your valuable advice. Now I know where to start from. I'll get my mechanic friend's hand on this job and try to get it sorted. If I fail, Ebay is always there eh!

Cheers

[zakmuh]

'Particles additive level low'...this requires immediate action?

[stevieturbo]

zakmuh said:

'Particles additive level low'...this requires immediate action?

WTF are you talking about ?

Sounds like someone has been smoking a few particles lol

[imagineifyeswill]

There is a small tank beside the petrol tank which has to be filled with a special additive every 100000 miles, requires a special pump to fill probably Peugeot dealer only, this is Peugeots way of getting the emissions down for euro regulations.

[bearman68]

Unburnt diesel smell - that will probably be unburnt diesel being caused by the lack of compression, in turn brought about by running 50 miles with no oil, which in turn has been brought about by the turbo throwing it all out, which in turn has probably been caused by poor frequency and quality of oil changes.

Agh, the 5 why's. I must be a 6 sigma expert.

Since I am now an expert, I would suggest a new engine and turbo, removal of the emmisions st, and a good remap. - In fact, exactly what I thought the last time I answered this thread.

[zakmuh]

Euro Car Parts sell one of those pump to fill up the DPF additive tank for Á £15. Doing this is an easy job but I was just wondering If I gotta do it now or I can wait for another 200 miles. I dont think this message would fail the MOT?

[Munter]

stevieturbo said:

zakmuh said:

'Particles additive level low'...this requires immediate action?

WTF are you talking about ?

Sounds like someone has been smoking a few particles lol

eolys fluid. A bad idea, implemented by a French company....

[zakmuh]

The Tank takes up to 4.5 litres and that fluid is Á £100. Once filled, dont know how long it would last.

[zakmuh]

SOLVED!

It's been a year since I managed to fix the car by myself. I thought I'd update this thread.

Actually the car had very dirty oil and that knackered the turbo bearing, sucked oil into the air inlet, intercooler and combustion chamber! Because of this I coudln't start the car at all. Few of garages advised me to replace ECU/injector/fule pump etc. The headgaaket is intact, all fine!

Works I did...
. Sucked the engine oil out of cumbustion chamber using 'vaccum oil extractor, which I got it from Ebay - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4-Litre-Petrol-Oil-Fluid...
. Sprayed 'carbon cleaner' liquid (more like foam)into the combustion chamber and sucked it out after letting it soak for a couple of mins
. Got all the pipes, air inlet manifold and inertcooler cleaned through a local radiator engineers
. Gave the turbo to a local turbo remanufacturer, got it repaired (Á £250) and put it back - turbo removal was a nightmware job!!
. Flushed the engine - few metal particles found in the sump

Left the car untouched for a couple days and gave it a try starting it. It didnt start, kept trying for about ten times and eventually it did start *YAAY*. Took the car for a spin but it was very slow, had a power loss. It's been like this for a day or two and then it started its normal runnig....no more issues afterwards.

Hope this helps

Zak

Edited by zakmuh on Friday 13th May 13:15

Edited by zakmuh on Friday 13th May 13:28