Terraclean by Ed China

Terraclean by Ed China

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supermono

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7,368 posts

248 months

Tuesday 14th July 2015
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Max_Torque said:
Sure about that??? ;-)
Certain. The precious metals provide a surface on which reactions happen. So I suppose in a sense they provide receptors for holding the reactions momentarily but nothing is "stored".

Have I been whooshed? smile

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

255 months

Tuesday 14th July 2015
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supermono said:
Of course catalysts don't store oxygen they allow the oxygen present to react with unburned hydrocarbons as the gases pass through
You're wrong. If there are partially burnt hydrocarbons in the exhaust, it implies there is no oxygen left, so how could the cat possibly oxidise anything?

Three way cats work by storing excess oxygen during the weak cycle and then using it to oxidise the hydrocarbons during the rich cycle. This fits in very nicely with the way that narrow band oxygen sensors require a control scheme to oscillate either side of stoich.

julian64

14,317 posts

254 months

Tuesday 14th July 2015
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Okay so passing over the obvious wierd ideas on oxygen sensors on this thread.

Just imagine if this stuff worked. BMW techs couldn't charge £8K to take an engine out to clean the secondary air circulation systems.

Piersman2

6,597 posts

199 months

Tuesday 14th July 2015
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Max_Torque said:
Piersman2 said:
I had an XJR which used to trigger the engine warning for inefficient cats every day or so
Piersman2 said:
After about 18 months I eventually replaced the cats with some sports ones thinking this would solve it
er, why?


Your EMS flags up "inefficient" catalysts by measuring the oxygen storage capability of the catalysts. It does this by monitoring the post catalyst exhaust oxygen content verses the pre catalyst oxygen content, which is my modern cars have two sets of lambda sensors (pre and post cat)

I'd bet you £50 that to "fix" the issue, the garage just fitted some cheap(<£10) spacers to the rear sensor to move the tip of the rear lambda probe out of the exhaust stream and bingo, no MIL...........

ie:

I bet you they didn't, because I didn't have in for them to fix the ems message... but just to do the terraclean. If you PM me I'll send you some bank account details to pay your £50 into. smile

More seriously though, the sports cats were fitted when the originals became so clogged up that it was impacting performance, it got so bad that acceleration above 4k revs was limited and I could no longer get above 100mph. Original replacements were £600 each, the sports I eventually managed to source were only £250 each.

Believe me I did a lot of research into the issue, and saw this 'fix' using a spacer on the rear lambda sensor being suggested for lots of different brand cars but there was obviously something wrong and I'd rather fix it properly than bodge round it.

Speaking to several Jag specialists at the time indicated this was not isolated to just my car, they wereall aware of other Jags or Range Rovers exhibiting the same problem.

No one had sussed out the answer by that time, about 2 years ago. Maybe someone has by now?






supermono

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7,368 posts

248 months

Wednesday 15th July 2015
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Mr2Mike said:
supermono said:
Of course catalysts don't store oxygen they allow the oxygen present to react with unburned hydrocarbons as the gases pass through
You're wrong. If there are partially burnt hydrocarbons in the exhaust, it implies there is no oxygen left, so how could the cat possibly oxidise anything?

Three way cats work by storing excess oxygen during the weak cycle and then using it to oxidise the hydrocarbons during the rich cycle. This fits in very nicely with the way that narrow band oxygen sensors require a control scheme to oscillate either side of stoich.
Well every day's a school day, thanks for this. I'll do a bit more reading now.

CarsOrBikes

1,135 posts

184 months

Thursday 16th July 2015
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ProTec do a similar cleaning system to Terraclean if you can find people that have it, there are two types of method, one adds to the airstream and one substitutes fuel as Terraclean does, the first is useful for EGR valves and throttle housings, inlet tracts etc.

I have a sensor extender which works brilliantly, actually two. One for the downstream sensor after a decat, and one for a wideband sensor upstream which is just to move it further from the heat as it couldn't be fitted far enough away and still before a cat. both are stainless angled ones for under a tenner each, perfect, not used to fix or conceal a problem though which isn't the best solution.