Relocating oil filter mount

[uberprutser]

I'm trying to fit an Alfa engine in a Matra Murena chassis but I'm having a hard time positioning the engine to my liking.
To make space I'm thinking about moving the oilfiler mount by installing some oil hoses. This will be hard because of the closeness of the two oil channels but should be possible If I can find the right fittings. I'm a bit worried what effect this will have on engine lubrication/oil pressure. I might be able to install 10mm hoses but thats 3mm less the oil channels. And the diameter of the fitting is probably even smaller. Anyone, got any thoughts on this?

Edited by uberprutser on Tuesday 20th October 23:17

[Steve_D]

Have a look in here.
http://www.thinkauto.com/acatalog/On_line_shop_Tak...

You will need the oil take off plate then a remote filter mount plus hoses and fittings.
A quick phone call and they will tell you which model you need.

Steve

[stevieturbo]

Various ways you can adapt, some options

http://www.speedflowshop.co.uk/mocal-take-off-plat...

http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Torques-U-K/Oil-Control-P...

[uberprutser]

Thanks for the replies. I doubt that any of the standard stuff will fit my plans but it's good to know that similar mods have been done before. But I sill would like to know if there would be an adverse effect of the smaller diameter extension tubing.

[E-bmw]

My best innexpert advice would be don't under any circumstances restrict the flow of oil through the filter.

I don't see why the suggested options won't work from what I can see in the pics.

The adaptors shown screw onto where the filter fits and then in the kit you get 2 x hoses & a remote filter mount.

Attached is a link to a full kit listing to show you what they mean.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AROSPEED-Oil-Filter-Relo...

[uberprutser]

You misunderstood, I want to move the aluminium bracket including the filter and oil cooler adapter out of the way.

[stevieturbo]

uberprutser said:

You misunderstood, I want to move the aluminium bracket including the filter and oil cooler adapter out of the way.

Then without some proper pictures of what you're dealing with, it will be impossible to suggest a solution.

The pictures show no real useful info or detail. But if that part is removable from the engine, then it shouldnt be too hard to build a solution.

[uberprutser]

I think the pictures are pretty clear, they show both flanges that need to be connected with hoses.
But they are only to illustrate the issue.
The question is; will it be a problem if I narrow the oil passage from 13mm to 10 or perhaps even 8mm.
FYI: the lower duct comes strait from the oil pump.

[stevieturbo]

uberprutser said:

I think the pictures are pretty clear, they show both flanges that need to be connected with hoses.
But they are only to illustrate the issue.
The question is; will it be a problem if I narrow the oil passage from 13mm to 10 or perhaps even 8mm.
FYI: the lower duct comes strait from the oil pump.

Strange...2 more pictures have appeared now.

Should be a doddle to make up a fitting to bolt to the block to allow hose takeoffs over both of those holes and then to a remote filter.
Make sure you get flow/return correct as most filters have a one way valve built in

[CrutyRammers]

I had to move the filter on my 24v V6 for similar reasons.
I used a standard mocal take-off plate and remote filter mount. I think the hoses are they are JIC -8 size, from memory....but you can vary the hose size by the fittings you put into the take-off plate.
Certainly haven't had any oil pressure problems (not since I fitted the relief spring in the oil pump the right way around, anyway ops. Only small pics I'm afraid but it shows the idea:



Not sure why you want to move the filter mount bracket on yours? It'll be a lot easier if you don't have to. On mine the filter mount bracket is also the engine mount so I didn't have the choice anyway.

[CrutyRammers]

stevieturbo said:

Strange...2 more pictures have appeared now.

Should be a doddle to make up a fitting to bolt to the block to allow hose takeoffs over both of those holes and then to a remote filter.
Make sure you get flow/return correct as most filters have a one way valve built in

As this, you could tap a thread directly into the block for the hose fittings (they'll probably be BSP threads IIRC), and screw them straight into the block. The hose fittings are all threaded one end and either push on or JIC fittings the other. Have a browse on somewhere like merlin to see what's available https://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/s/oil-system.

You'll use the size which matches the bore already there - oil fittings are all standardised and there are only a few sizes so you shouldn't have to restrict the flow at all.

[uberprutser]

@Stevieturbo; I'me made a error in my original posting that I fixed in my second posting. So I assumed that you'd already seen the pictures. Excuse my mistake.

I need to move the mounting bracket because if I line up the differential with the wheel hubs the bracket is hitting the trailing arm. The oilcooler thermostat almost hits the swaybar and the filter hits the angle iron that I want to use to support the motor mount. Also, move thing makes it easier to make a decent engine mount.

The oil ducts are only 8mm apart and that makes it hard to use decent size fitting without an complex adapter flange.
So that's why I'm asking it it will be a problem if the oil feed goes from 13mm to 10 or 8mm.

[E-bmw]

Why not find a local engineering company/machine shop & get them to make up a block that replicates the flange but then splits the ports to make them 180 degrees apart so that they can then be fitted with the correct size fittings & hoses, then use one of the remote filter mounts previously talked about.

Local machine shop/engineering companies are not expensive for little fill in jobs, I got 2 x front & 2 x rear brake caliper mountings made for my track day car for just £40.

[stevieturbo]

uberprutser said:

@Stevieturbo; I'me made a error in my original posting that I fixed in my second posting. So I assumed that you'd already seen the pictures. Excuse my mistake.

I need to move the mounting bracket because if I line up the differential with the wheel hubs the bracket is hitting the trailing arm. The oilcooler thermostat almost hits the swaybar and the filter hits the angle iron that I want to use to support the motor mount. Also, move thing makes it easier to make a decent engine mount.

The oil ducts are only 8mm apart and that makes it hard to use decent size fitting without an complex adapter flange.
So that's why I'm asking it it will be a problem if the oil feed goes from 13mm to 10 or 8mm.

Make a large flat plate that bolts over the oil hole as it is. Then drill holes and either weld fittings into it, or screw fittings into it to create your takeoff for a remote filter.

You could drill/tap the block itself....just dont like that approach, and it can leave the fittings very close together.
At least welding fittings onto a bolt on plate, you can angle them to space them apart.

IMO if the holes are say 10mm, chose fittings and hoses that are no less than 10mm throughout. That may require -8 or -10 fittings, as often the hole in the fittings themselves is much smaller than the flexible hose part.

[CrutyRammers]

stevieturbo said:

Make a large flat plate that bolts over the oil hole as it is. Then drill holes and either weld fittings into it, or screw fittings into it to create your takeoff for a remote filter.

You could drill/tap the block itself....just dont like that approach, and it can leave the fittings very close together.
At least welding fittings onto a bolt on plate, you can angle them to space them apart.

IMO if the holes are say 10mm, chose fittings and hoses that are no less than 10mm throughout. That may require -8 or -10 fittings, as often the hole in the fittings themselves is much smaller than the flexible hose part.

That sounds like a better solution given what's described.

[PaulKemp]

Talk about over complicated, I'd look at the metal work that's in the way and modify that, looks like a few cut and shuts.
Simple job with a grinder and a welder
IMHO

[227bhp]

CrustyRammers said:

I had to move the filter on my 24v V6 for similar reasons.
I used a standard mocal take-off plate and remote filter mount. I think the hoses are they are JIC -8 size, from memory....but you can vary the hose size by the fittings you put into the take-off plate.
Certainly haven't had any oil pressure problems (not since I fitted the relief spring in the oil pump the right way around, anyway ops. Only small pics I'm afraid but it shows the idea:



Not sure why you want to move the filter mount bracket on yours? It'll be a lot easier if you don't have to. On mine the filter mount bracket is also the engine mount so I didn't have the choice anyway.

That's going to look a lot better and be more reliable when you bin those hose clips and get some proper ends crimped on!