Electric motor help

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Pumaracing

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Sunday 1st November 2015
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I'm trying to troubleshoot a 240v ac electric motor which isn't running. It has 4 wires coming out of the casing and a 4mF start capacitor. My DMM doesn't do capacitance but I've got zero resistance between all six combinations of any two of the four wires and infinite resistance between all of them and earth which I believe is how things are meant to be.

What I don't know is what voltage I should be getting between any of the four wires when the motor is trying to start. Can anyone tell me from the wiring diagram on figure 7.2 of the pdf below?

www.rielloburners.co.uk/lumo/upload_documents/riel...

anonymous-user

54 months

Sunday 1st November 2015
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Pumaracing

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Sunday 1st November 2015
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That ain't helping. Electrickery is not my thing. I just want to know which DMM lead to put on which wire and what voltage I ought to see.

eliot

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254 months

Sunday 1st November 2015
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If it hums but fails to start or starts if you give it a shove, then it's likely to be the start cap - few quid even from
maplin.

Pumaracing

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Sunday 1st November 2015
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I was hoping to try starting it by giving it a shove but nothing protrudes to shove on unless I remove a bunch of oil plumbing and a casing to expose the air fan. However I might try that.

As far as voltages go, after advice from another place, I get 240v between terminals 3 and 6, 50v between 3 and 7, the same between 3 and 8 and I can't get to terminal 9 at present without running a wire into the box but I'll try that tomorrow. So to me at least it looks like voltage is getting in there, the motor seems to turn freely so my money is on the start cap.

eliot

11,427 posts

254 months

Sunday 1st November 2015
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Just order a start cap - they are so cheap it's not even worth getting your meter out.

Pumaracing

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Sunday 1st November 2015
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I've found the right one for a tenner on Ebay so that's my next step.

anonymous-user

54 months

Sunday 1st November 2015
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tbh, a basic multimeter isn't going to help you, because it's an AC machine!

The "start" capacitor is used to delay the current in one pair of windings so that when the motor is stationary, and you first apply a 50Hz AC power feed, the motor jerks onto one set of windings and starts to turn. This "Phase" delay is what you are trying to measure. However, you can't really look at the DC voltage or the RMS AC voltage, as what you really need to know is the phase current.

Assuming none of the windings are shorted to ground, you'll find that they almost certainly have too little phase to phase resistance to measure (as most of the phase winding is arranged as Reactive rather than Resistive in order to minimise losses). So without a milliohm meter, your normal DMM is going to pretty much show 0 ohms.

If there is no smell of burning from the motor (a sure sign of shorted windings) or other signs of distress, remove the start cap, and replace that, as this is the most likely fault. if that cap is bulged, leaking or discoloured it's almost certainly foo-barred. Some DMMs do have a capacitance measurement mode, and you can check the caps DC resistance between the terminals (which should be effectively infinite, once it has charged up to the test voltage the DMM puts out)

Jack_and_MLE

620 posts

239 months

Monday 2nd November 2015
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There is two type of single phase AC motors:
1) single phase
2) three phase converted to single phase.

It looks like you have the former

you need to check the resistance between the three phase

Is one of the core and earth? ( yellow green)
what are the colours of the cores?

Jack

Jack_and_MLE

620 posts

239 months

Monday 2nd November 2015
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I have been looking on the diagram 7.2

it looks like it is a 3 phase converted to single phase

Ohms between black/blue equals black brown equals blue brown.

Not sure what the white wires is for.

Hope this helps

It's fixable...

468 posts

205 months

Monday 2nd November 2015
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From personal experience Riello technical help are good, so is their spares support and the prices are not too bad - give them a call, you might get a pleasant surprise.

Pumaracing

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Tuesday 3rd November 2015
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Yeeehaaaa. Capacitor ordered off Ebay yesterday, arrived this morning and Houston we have ignition smile