Heating oil in common rail diesel
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Diesels will run on many things...the question is for how long ?
He isnt the first and certainly wont be the last but from a longevity point of view red diesel would be better. Penalties if caught are the same either way.
If they do enough miles to actually warrant using heating oil...chances are the repair bill could be more than they saved fairly soon and negate any savings.
And if they're in any shape or form a commercial user of the vehicle and get caught....they can get nailed even harder than a private motorist.
He isnt the first and certainly wont be the last but from a longevity point of view red diesel would be better. Penalties if caught are the same either way.
If they do enough miles to actually warrant using heating oil...chances are the repair bill could be more than they saved fairly soon and negate any savings.
And if they're in any shape or form a commercial user of the vehicle and get caught....they can get nailed even harder than a private motorist.
paul.deitch said:
Is it legal to use it in a generator? For the avoidance of doubt I don't own a generator, just curious.
Yes. You only pay duty for fuel used in a vehicle used on the road. You can use red diesel in a tractor provided it is used on the fields only and not the road. (I think in this case they are allowed to go from field to field using the road, but can't do more than X miles from the farm base. In this case (again) they pay no VED, but obviously they can't usssssssssssssssssss ractor to go to town for some shopping.)battered said:
Yes. You only pay duty for fuel used in a vehicle used on the road. You can use red diesel in a tractor provided it is used on the fields only and not the road. (I think in this case they are allowed to go from field to field using the road, but can't do more than X miles from the farm base. In this case (again) they pay no VED, but obviously they can't usssssssssssssssssss ractor to go to town for some shopping.)
Ironically...and disgustingly, during the heavy snow a few years back, some scumbag cops were doing tractor drivers rescuing people on the roads for having red diesel in the tanks.When you think they cant reach new lows....they always find a way.
stevieturbo said:
Ironically...and disgustingly, during the heavy snow a few years back, some scumbag cops were doing tractor drivers rescuing people on the roads for having red diesel in the tanks.
When you think they cant reach new lows....they always find a way.
Really? Got any quotable sources for that? When you think they cant reach new lows....they always find a way.
FordPrefect56 said:
Someone I know (not me cos that's illegal obviously) is trying 28 second heating oil at 36p a litre with a smidge of engine oil mixed in to lubricate the pump and injectors in a Kia Rio Crdi. Running sweet as a nut so far. Any other experiences?
Do some googling as to why it's called 28 second oil and it's different burn characteristics from road diesel, dyed red or otherwise.stevieturbo said:
Ironically...and disgustingly, during the heavy snow a few years back, some scumbag cops were doing tractor drivers rescuing people on the roads for having red diesel in the tanks.
When you think they cant reach new lows....they always find a way.
Police following direction from HMRC When you think they cant reach new lows....they always find a way.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1242790/An...
And now that has changed. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-2063...
stevieturbo said:
UpTheIron said:
Really? Got any quotable sources for that?
You think I can be bothered trawling the news from 5-6 years ago just for you ?I ran an old Vito 112CDI on all sorts, Bio diesel, cooking oil straight from the Supermarket shelf once when it was on special offer and a petrol engined car on paint thinners. I reckon the Vito would have run on used engine oil, but never stooped that low. The Army used to use multifuel engines which would run on whatever they could pick up in the field.
You knew when you'd put too much in as they were difficult to start in the morning (temp dependent too) so adjusted the mix. With fuel prices as they are there now there is less point, but If I had to do a lot of miles weekly I'd consider fitting switchable dual tanks, one with 'naughty' fuel and another with proper diesel or build a high CR engine and map it for a percentage of thinners. It can be done, but it's a lot of expense and arsing around just to say you did it. Like you say, how long will it last, although you don't tend to hear many disaster stories....
I used cooking oil when it was cheap in a Mondeo 1.8TD, mixed with a little paraffin to thin it and a splash of 2 stroke oil as a lubricant. The engine was fine but it was a low pressure diesel. The exhaust did smell of old chip fat, not very nice.
I'd give it a go, not sure if 2 stroke oil might be a better mix than engine oil ?
I'd give it a go, not sure if 2 stroke oil might be a better mix than engine oil ?
Evoluzione said:
Lol, good answer.
I ran an old Vito 112CDI on all sorts, Bio diesel, cooking oil straight from the Supermarket shelf once when it was on special offer and a petrol engined car on paint thinners. I reckon the Vito would have run on used engine oil, but never stooped that low. The Army used to use multifuel engines which would run on whatever they could pick up in the field.
You knew when you'd put too much in as they were difficult to start in the morning (temp dependent too) so adjusted the mix. With fuel prices as they are there now there is less point, but If I had to do a lot of miles weekly I'd consider fitting switchable dual tanks, one with 'naughty' fuel and another with proper diesel or build a high CR engine and map it for a percentage of thinners. It can be done, but it's a lot of expense and arsing around just to say you did it. Like you say, how long will it last, although you don't tend to hear many disaster stories....
Petrol engine....the obvious answer is LPG for a higher miler.I ran an old Vito 112CDI on all sorts, Bio diesel, cooking oil straight from the Supermarket shelf once when it was on special offer and a petrol engined car on paint thinners. I reckon the Vito would have run on used engine oil, but never stooped that low. The Army used to use multifuel engines which would run on whatever they could pick up in the field.
You knew when you'd put too much in as they were difficult to start in the morning (temp dependent too) so adjusted the mix. With fuel prices as they are there now there is less point, but If I had to do a lot of miles weekly I'd consider fitting switchable dual tanks, one with 'naughty' fuel and another with proper diesel or build a high CR engine and map it for a percentage of thinners. It can be done, but it's a lot of expense and arsing around just to say you did it. Like you say, how long will it last, although you don't tend to hear many disaster stories....
But with diesel...it's all good and well trying to hide the fuel etc....but getting caught is one thing, getting caught with hidden systems...and they will slaughter you.
I think most military operate a single fuel policy ? ie all vehicles must run on the same type of fuel....no idea how much that quality will vary around the world though.
There was a guy on here years ago, claimed to work for the oil companies and said basically that heating oil/diesel etc were all the same anyway as there really were only a handful of pipelines to move the stuff and they all go down the same one ! They will get various additives etc at the final end though. Some of what he said was plausible....but who knows.
stevieturbo said:
There was a guy on here years ago, claimed to work for the oil companies and said basically that heating oil/diesel etc were all the same anyway as there really were only a handful of pipelines to move the stuff and they all go down the same one ! They will get various additives etc at the final end though. Some of what he said was plausible....but who knows.
Mostly rubbish.Whilst it's true there are a limited number of pipelines, they run a very complex and well-planned 'batching' system, where they can send differing products down consecutively. Some products can be sent without a flushing batch - eg. derv and kerosene - but you have to flush when switching from oil based fuel to spirit based fuel.
Evanivitch said:
Hainey said:
Get caught with a hidden fuel system and you'll get the jail. Seriously.
Why? There's a 2500 litre allowance for using bio fuel that is duty free.Gassing Station | Engines & Drivetrain | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff