Seriously help i'm losing the will to live
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_georginaamyc said:
Thanks again everyone. The garage today have said it might be the water pump failing, they didnt replace it as it's brand new. But could the water pump even cause it to pressurise? Unless it was stuck?
Seems unlikely to me, have you checked to see if all the coolant hoses are hot when the engine is warm?A cold one may indicate where the blockage might be.
The cap itself would be a good place to start though, there's also the strong possibility that they haven't bled the cooling system well enough after changing the head gasket so there is air in the system.
_georginaamyc said:
Thanks again everyone. The garage today have said it might be the water pump failing, they didnt replace it as it's brand new. But could the water pump even cause it to pressurise? Unless it was stuck?
NO ! they are full of s
t. Might...think...know, all of this is going around in circles. The chances of a old...and then new faulty pump are almost zero given the symptoms have not changed.Have these people done any testing whatsoever ?
Have they done a sniffer test ? What was the result ?
Have they done a pressure test ? what was the result ?
Have they pressure tested the cap ? What was the result ?
Have they verified the thermostat is working ? what was the result ?
Have they verified the system is operating at the correct temperature ? And as said before OEM gauges are not worth a f u c k. They are woefully inaccurate to the point of being useless.
Do other aspects of the cooling system work correctly ? heater etc ?
Are they sure there are no air locks in the system and it has been properly bled ? ( probably not )
None of this is rocket science, and I'm deadly serious that whoever is doing this work needs a good f
king slap, preferably with a large heavy object.stevieturbo said:
NO ! they are full of st. Might...think...know, all of this is going around in circles. The chances of a old...and then new faulty pump are almost zero given the symptoms have not changed.
Have these people done any testing whatsoever ?
Have they done a sniffer test ? What was the result ?
Have they done a pressure test ? what was the result ?
Have they pressure tested the cap ? What was the result ?
Have they verified the thermostat is working ? what was the result ?
Have they verified the system is operating at the correct temperature ? And as said before OEM gauges are not worth a f u c k. They are woefully inaccurate to the point of being useless.
Do other aspects of the cooling system work correctly ? heater etc ?
Are they sure there are no air locks in the system and it has been properly bled ? ( probably not )
None of this is rocket science, and I'm deadly serious that whoever is doing this work needs a good fking slap, preferably with a large heavy object.
Yeah thats what i thought. When i take the key down i'll ask them all of this. All i know theyve done is replaced the head gasket, flushed it and then took it out for 10 mins t. Might...think...know, all of this is going around in circles. The chances of a old...and then new faulty pump are almost zero given the symptoms have not changed.Have these people done any testing whatsoever ?
Have they done a sniffer test ? What was the result ?
Have they done a pressure test ? what was the result ?
Have they pressure tested the cap ? What was the result ?
Have they verified the thermostat is working ? what was the result ?
Have they verified the system is operating at the correct temperature ? And as said before OEM gauges are not worth a f u c k. They are woefully inaccurate to the point of being useless.
Do other aspects of the cooling system work correctly ? heater etc ?
Are they sure there are no air locks in the system and it has been properly bled ? ( probably not )
None of this is rocket science, and I'm deadly serious that whoever is doing this work needs a good f
king slap, preferably with a large heavy object.And as said before, the problem you are seeing...could be as simple as the system overfilled.
Could be as simple as a faulty cap, could be as simple as an airlock etc etc.
But none of this should be in any way difficult whatsoever, and 10 mins is not in any shape or form sufficient runtime after such work.
And all of the above tests mentioned should have been very much carried out before pulling the head off with perhaps the only exception being if that particular engine was well renowned for head gasket problems.
hell, you'd probably even find guides on all of the above on youtube etc !
Could be as simple as a faulty cap, could be as simple as an airlock etc etc.
But none of this should be in any way difficult whatsoever, and 10 mins is not in any shape or form sufficient runtime after such work.
And all of the above tests mentioned should have been very much carried out before pulling the head off with perhaps the only exception being if that particular engine was well renowned for head gasket problems.
hell, you'd probably even find guides on all of the above on youtube etc !
_georginaamyc said:
But could the water pump ...
There are two ways to do this.One is to trust the garage to diagnose the problem, fix it and charge you a fair price for the work. If you have a problem following their work, take it back to them and let them resolve it.
The other is to have a competent person you trust diagnose the problem, or go with you to the garage and talk to the mechanic to understand how they diagnosed the problem and decide whether their diagnosis is reliable.
The approach you're taking, of talking to the garage and then trying to second-guess them in the internet frankly I don't see ever resolving the problem. I can't imagine any mechanic responding well when a person who obviously has a very shallow understanding of the problem tries to tell them how to solve the problem based on something they read on the internet.
GreenV8S said:
There are two ways to do this.
One is to trust the garage to diagnose the problem, fix it and charge you a fair price for the problem.
The other is to have a competent person you trust diagnose the problem, or go with you to the garage and talk to the mechanic to understand how they diagnosed the problem and decide whether their diagnosis is reliable.
The approach you're taking, of talking to the garage and then trying to second-guess them in the internet frankly I don't see ever resolving the problem. I can't imagine any mechanic responding well when a person who obviously has a very shallow understanding of the problem tries to tell them how to solve the problem based on something they read on the internet.
Obviously going to the garage with a list of questions now....probably wont please the garage much.One is to trust the garage to diagnose the problem, fix it and charge you a fair price for the problem.
The other is to have a competent person you trust diagnose the problem, or go with you to the garage and talk to the mechanic to understand how they diagnosed the problem and decide whether their diagnosis is reliable.
The approach you're taking, of talking to the garage and then trying to second-guess them in the internet frankly I don't see ever resolving the problem. I can't imagine any mechanic responding well when a person who obviously has a very shallow understanding of the problem tries to tell them how to solve the problem based on something they read on the internet.
But ask them to explain to you what testing they have done etc as you are genuinely interested to find out the hows and whys of what lead them to do the work they did, and why there may still be a problem.
If they cannot explain in simple terms or they start waffling etc.....sad to say but it is time to go elsewhere. But asking the questions now, rather than before work even started etc...will always be more difficult.
is there oil in the coolant.
Did the garage skim the head?
Have you taken the cap off let the engine get warm and rev the engine. Bubbles will indicate gasses leaking?
Have you tested the water with a kit from Halfords, identifies if there is a leak.?
As others say replace the cap, but I doubt it?
stick some cardboard under the car on a dry day, might identify any leaks?
Did the garage skim the head?
Have you taken the cap off let the engine get warm and rev the engine. Bubbles will indicate gasses leaking?
Have you tested the water with a kit from Halfords, identifies if there is a leak.?
As others say replace the cap, but I doubt it?
stick some cardboard under the car on a dry day, might identify any leaks?
GreenV8S said:
_georginaamyc said:
But could the water pump ...
There are two ways to do this.One is to trust the garage to diagnose the problem, fix it and charge you a fair price for the work. If you have a problem following their work, take it back to them and let them resolve it.
The other is to have a competent person you trust diagnose the problem, or go with you to the garage and talk to the mechanic to understand how they diagnosed the problem and decide whether their diagnosis is reliable.
The approach you're taking, of talking to the garage and then trying to second-guess them in the internet frankly I don't see ever resolving the problem. I can't imagine any mechanic responding well when a person who obviously has a very shallow understanding of the problem tries to tell them how to solve the problem based on something they read on the internet.
Look i'm not telling them they're wrong, i'm asking for an opinion. Ive had this car "fixed" 3 times in the last 2 weeks, obviously i'm not filled with confidence when they come back with what it COULD be.
_georginaamyc said:
Lets just assume from this post onwards we're always talking about no.2 -there is no 3!
Is number 2 the guy you and your family always use?
It was you who said you had taken it to 4 mechanics in the other thread!
_georginaamyc said:
Thank you to those who have actually tried to help, instead of just pointing the negatives about how im doing everything here wrong.
I suspect you include me among the people telling you you're doing everything wrong.I am trying to help. Just as you are clearly very inexperienced when it comes to car cooling systems, it seems to me that you are also inexperienced in dealing with tradesmen. Approaching them differently I think could greatly increase your chance of a successful outcome.
GreenV8S said:
_georginaamyc said:
Thank you to those who have actually tried to help, instead of just pointing the negatives about how im doing everything here wrong.
I suspect you include me among the people telling you you're doing everything wrong.I am trying to help. Just as you are clearly very inexperienced when it comes to car cooling systems, it seems to me that you are also inexperienced in dealing with tradesmen. Approaching them differently I think could greatly increase your chance of a successful outcome.
Little Pete said:
_georginaamyc said:
Lets just assume from this post onwards we're always talking about no.2 -there is no 3!
Is number 2 the guy you and your family always use?
It was you who said you had taken it to 4 mechanics in the other thread!
Yes number 2 is that one
Sigh. The 1st was back in august. So forget that.
The next replaced thermo housing, but sent it back still leaking. The other i only used becauase my car was steaming as i was driving and luckily was right there as it happened so i pulled in.
Just assume im talking about the family one
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