Oil Brand - Small vs Large
Discussion
Morning,
Its almost time for my cars service, my requirement is a 5-50w oil.
I usually go for Motul, however the price seems to have risen quite steeply in the past 12-months, so have been taking a look at other brands and have come across Millers EE performance.
My question being, is the quality of Millers likely to be on a par with Motul?
I know they have good reputation, but cant help but think that due to the size of Millers that standards / quality potentially wont be as good as the likes of Motul?
Not sure if I should just play it safe and pay the extra or give Millers a try?
For the record, the vehicle covers around 5,000 between oil changes.
Its almost time for my cars service, my requirement is a 5-50w oil.
I usually go for Motul, however the price seems to have risen quite steeply in the past 12-months, so have been taking a look at other brands and have come across Millers EE performance.
My question being, is the quality of Millers likely to be on a par with Motul?
I know they have good reputation, but cant help but think that due to the size of Millers that standards / quality potentially wont be as good as the likes of Motul?
Not sure if I should just play it safe and pay the extra or give Millers a try?
For the record, the vehicle covers around 5,000 between oil changes.
What is the car?
What does manufacturer's spec for oil change say?
If it matches the spec Millers will be fine, as will many other brands.
I tend to buy 20 litres drums in bulk from ebay or others & likely end up paying under £100 for any of:
Carlube,
Comma,
Triple QX,
Fuchs.
I tend to change every year or 8k miles & all are fine and match the manufacturer's spec for both mine & Mrs E's cars.
What does manufacturer's spec for oil change say?
If it matches the spec Millers will be fine, as will many other brands.
I tend to buy 20 litres drums in bulk from ebay or others & likely end up paying under £100 for any of:
Carlube,
Comma,
Triple QX,
Fuchs.
I tend to change every year or 8k miles & all are fine and match the manufacturer's spec for both mine & Mrs E's cars.
E-bmw said:
What is the car?
What does manufacturer's spec for oil change say?
If it matches the spec Millers will be fine, as will many other brands.
I tend to buy 20 litres drums in bulk from ebay or others & likely end up paying under £100 for any of:
Carlube,
Comma,
Triple QX,
Fuchs.
I tend to change every year or 8k miles & all are fine and match the manufacturer's spec for both mine & Mrs E's cars.
Ignoring the car and the specification required - as it deviates away from the question.What does manufacturer's spec for oil change say?
If it matches the spec Millers will be fine, as will many other brands.
I tend to buy 20 litres drums in bulk from ebay or others & likely end up paying under £100 for any of:
Carlube,
Comma,
Triple QX,
Fuchs.
I tend to change every year or 8k miles & all are fine and match the manufacturer's spec for both mine & Mrs E's cars.
Would the quality (think research & development.etc), of Millers oil be as good as Motul or larger brands?
the smaller oil companies tend to use a base oil from a larger company and the an additive blend from either their own lab team, another oil company or indeed the oil company they got the base oil from.
Shell Oil do test their oil with the OEM and get their official approval, everyone else just matches the spec based on SAE etc.
So that, and alongside the very little mileage you do, would mean that you could probably get away with a Halfords or Asda own brand oil so long as it matches the spec. Your Millers option will be fine .
I think you are over thinking it a bit.
Shell Oil do test their oil with the OEM and get their official approval, everyone else just matches the spec based on SAE etc.
So that, and alongside the very little mileage you do, would mean that you could probably get away with a Halfords or Asda own brand oil so long as it matches the spec. Your Millers option will be fine .
I think you are over thinking it a bit.
AlexGSi2000 said:
E-bmw said:
What is the car?
What does manufacturer's spec for oil change say?
If it matches the spec Millers will be fine, as will many other brands.
I tend to buy 20 litres drums in bulk from ebay or others & likely end up paying under £100 for any of:
Carlube,
Comma,
Triple QX,
Fuchs.
I tend to change every year or 8k miles & all are fine and match the manufacturer's spec for both mine & Mrs E's cars.
Ignoring the car and the specification required - as it deviates away from the question.What does manufacturer's spec for oil change say?
If it matches the spec Millers will be fine, as will many other brands.
I tend to buy 20 litres drums in bulk from ebay or others & likely end up paying under £100 for any of:
Carlube,
Comma,
Triple QX,
Fuchs.
I tend to change every year or 8k miles & all are fine and match the manufacturer's spec for both mine & Mrs E's cars.
Would the quality (think research & development.etc), of Millers oil be as good as Motul or larger brands?
2. See bold above.
Chap who prepped and rallied Subarus who rebuilt the engine and gearbox on my sons RA Imprezza swore blind Millers 10w60 was the best oil you can but for those engines.
Other side of the country and 12 years or more later, the Subaru sole trader indy i use who is known in the marque for good work ranging from servicing to race prepping engines swears blind by, yup, Millers 10w60.
As above whether that grade and type is the best choice for a mystery car is anyone's guess.
Millers are well respected, and very well spoken of in competition circles.
Other side of the country and 12 years or more later, the Subaru sole trader indy i use who is known in the marque for good work ranging from servicing to race prepping engines swears blind by, yup, Millers 10w60.
As above whether that grade and type is the best choice for a mystery car is anyone's guess.
Millers are well respected, and very well spoken of in competition circles.
AlexGSi2000 said:
Morning,
Its almost time for my cars service, my requirement is a 5-50w oil.
I usually go for Motul, however the price seems to have risen quite steeply in the past 12-months, so have been taking a look at other brands and have come across Millers EE performance.
My question being, is the quality of Millers likely to be on a par with Motul?
I know they have good reputation, but cant help but think that due to the size of Millers that standards / quality potentially wont be as good as the likes of Motul?
Not sure if I should just play it safe and pay the extra or give Millers a try?
For the record, the vehicle covers around 5,000 between oil changes.
Most likely, even a middle of the road oil is of a higher standard than would be needed anyway, unless it is extremely hard usage.Its almost time for my cars service, my requirement is a 5-50w oil.
I usually go for Motul, however the price seems to have risen quite steeply in the past 12-months, so have been taking a look at other brands and have come across Millers EE performance.
My question being, is the quality of Millers likely to be on a par with Motul?
I know they have good reputation, but cant help but think that due to the size of Millers that standards / quality potentially wont be as good as the likes of Motul?
Not sure if I should just play it safe and pay the extra or give Millers a try?
For the record, the vehicle covers around 5,000 between oil changes.
And would a small maker like Ferrari be on par with say Citroen ?
Millers of Motul, I've used both, both make good oils.
But last night I just ordered 20L of Mannoil too. Because it was relatively cheap, and as already said, I know far higher spec than the car actually will ever need anyway, regardless of wat fantasy I might have as to what spec it needs
stevieturbo said:
Most likely, even a middle of the road oil is of a higher standard than would be needed anyway, unless it is extremely hard usage.
And would a small maker like Ferrari be on par with say Citroen ?
Millers of Motul, I've used both, both make good oils.
But last night I just ordered 20L of Mannoil too. Because it was relatively cheap, and as already said, I know far higher spec than the car actually will ever need anyway, regardless of wat fantasy I might have as to what spec it needs
Ferrari’s market capitalisation is about 77bn USD, and Stellantis (who own PSA and FiatChrysler) is marginally greater at 79Bn USD. So in that sense, hardly much ‘smaller’. Also Ferrari’s operating margin is 25%, compared to 11% for Stellantis.And would a small maker like Ferrari be on par with say Citroen ?
Millers of Motul, I've used both, both make good oils.
But last night I just ordered 20L of Mannoil too. Because it was relatively cheap, and as already said, I know far higher spec than the car actually will ever need anyway, regardless of wat fantasy I might have as to what spec it needs
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E-bmw said:
1. You cannot possibly ignore the car or the specification, it is pivotal to the answer to the question if it is to be an informed answer.
2. See bold above.
Yep, I get that. But my question in it's most basic form is:2. See bold above.
Is Millers as good as Motul / bigger brands.
I'm not really referring to an oil spec, I shouldn't have really quoted the grade in the first place really as it was irrelevant to my question.
AlexGSi2000 said:
Yep, I get that. But my question in it's most basic form is:
Is Millers as good as Motul / bigger brands.
I'm not really referring to an oil spec, I shouldn't have really quoted the grade in the first place really as it was irrelevant to my question.
Millers is a very well reputed competition line of oils. Has been for many yearsIs Millers as good as Motul / bigger brands.
I'm not really referring to an oil spec, I shouldn't have really quoted the grade in the first place really as it was irrelevant to my question.
Belle427 said:
The problem with oil is how do you know one is better than the other ie what scientific evidence could you provide to prove this?
I stuck some granville 10/40 semi in an old Mx5 last week which cost £17 from a local factors I use!
Well, that's exactly it - I guess I could take a look at the technical specs, but in reality, I probably wouldn't fully understand them.I stuck some granville 10/40 semi in an old Mx5 last week which cost £17 from a local factors I use!
I guess its horses for courses in a sense. I think in this case I'll probably stick to what I have used previously and go for the Motul again.
Not that its too relevant to the question, but the car sees some occasional track use, so all things considered an extra £40 over the course of 5,000 miles is marginal I guess.
Many thanks for everyone's input.
stevieturbo said:
AlexGSi2000 said:
Yep, I get that. But my question in it's most basic form is:
Is Millers as good as Motul / bigger brands.
I'm not really referring to an oil spec, I shouldn't have really quoted the grade in the first place really as it was irrelevant to my question.
Millers is a very well reputed competition line of oils. Has been for many yearsIs Millers as good as Motul / bigger brands.
I'm not really referring to an oil spec, I shouldn't have really quoted the grade in the first place really as it was irrelevant to my question.
ChevronB19 said:
Penrite is also supposed to be very good, but focuses on older engines (age and design).
Possible...but a lot of products are the same, but labelled/marketed different, so as to appeal to different groups, as people like products that appear directed to what they are doing.Even the other day in Tesco, two different Sudafed nasal sprays, different prices, slightly different wording and colours on the boxes. But the same PL code, which identifies the contents as the same product.
AlexGSi2000 said:
HJG said:
You're massively overthinking it.
Millers is a good oil.
You could really help yourself though by telling us the engine.
Its an M54 with a few modifications; turbo, rods, pistons.etc Millers is a good oil.
You could really help yourself though by telling us the engine.
Just stick to recommended spec & as has been said, many use the same base stock & just add additives to suit.
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