Supercharged 2.5 944 project.

Supercharged 2.5 944 project.

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ihatesissycars

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951 posts

203 months

Saturday 8th December 2007
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So the rotrex is quite good then!

Is that on a standard compression ratio trash?

thetrash

1,847 posts

207 months

Saturday 8th December 2007
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Yep, the engine is untouched still high compression. It being a high reving engine helps no end. The last 400rpm I made 40bhp, It needs a bigger air intake and a days RR and it should(hopefully) give me 410/420bhp.

ihatesissycars

Original Poster:

951 posts

203 months

Saturday 8th December 2007
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Blimey!!! Bloody strong engine as standard then eh!!!!

I'll start sorting out the other motor on a stand tomorrow and get this ball rolling, I'll start posting pics once its on the bench and started.

ihatesissycars

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951 posts

203 months

Thursday 13th December 2007
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Does anyone know of any good books ref all this?

I have a good but basic understanding of it all but I'd like to learn more about the tuning side of things as well as detonation and everything that goes with that.

I muddled thru with the v8 I tuned in my old capri but this is no doubt going to be alot more difficult.

tr7v8

7,199 posts

229 months

Thursday 13th December 2007
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I'm currently reading Supercharged by Corky Bell which is a Bentley book.
Not bad apart from some glaring errors which should have been proof read out.
The other one is Turbocharging & supercharging by Alan Allard but that's a bit dated now.

tr7v8

7,199 posts

229 months

Sunday 16th December 2007
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My project now has a oily 944 S2 lump sitting on the garage floor & after a few measurements have decided that I wish to keep the 16V head on the S2, especially seeing that a 2.7 8V head which is a straight fit to the 3Litre block come very expensive, the only one I could find, they wanted £450+VAT & shipping for Shocked
Also seems silly to downrate the engine then tune it.
So centrifugal superchargers are much smaller & are in fact what 9Meister used on their 968 car. So have just won this on E Bay! These are around 10x10x8 inches so not much bigger than an alternator, they can also provide much more boost than a Roots style blower off a Mercedes.

So next step will be some engine management, probably megasquirt & then the project can start in earnest, well Chatham anyway eek



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ihatesissycars

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951 posts

203 months

Sunday 16th December 2007
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Thats the sort of thing I would've liked but was out of my price range. The sn93 I got for £400 shipped.

A 16v head might be on cards for mine later on pending funds, we'll see.

ihatesissycars

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951 posts

203 months

Saturday 29th December 2007
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Right guys, I have a problem!

I'm very nearly almost finished fitting a replacment engine to my car as the last one expired but I have one small problem.

The new engine I have is form an oval dash model and has a different temp sensor for the dash guage.

Any ideas how to get around this?



On the left is the new one with the new engine and on the right is the original. The original goes in the block in the same place but is a blind hole, it doesn't contact coolant whereas the new one does contact coolan and the thread is a larger dia.

Edited by ihatesissycars on Saturday 29th December 22:53

ihatesissycars

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Saturday 29th December 2007
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Here's me offering the charger up to it possible new home, not much room!

I didn't realise just how big the SN93 is, also the outlet facing the wrong way is going to be a sod.

I think it may be wise to flog it and save (it'll take a while) for a rotrex, whaddaya reckon?

Steve_D

13,749 posts

259 months

Sunday 30th December 2007
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Reference your temp sensor.
I would first go to someone like BGC Motorsport and see if they have, or can make you, an adaptor but you will first need to know the thread sizes.

If that failed I would cut the top off the new (larger) sensor and tap the inside of it to take the old sensor. If there is not the material there to make the new thread I would just glue it in using something like plastic metal.

Steve

stevieturbo

17,273 posts

248 months

Sunday 30th December 2007
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Drill it and tap it somewhere it will fit !!!!!! There will prob be somewhere, either near a heater takeoff, stat housing or water pump where there is room

ihatesissycars

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951 posts

203 months

Sunday 30th December 2007
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I've since learnt that the newer sender has a terminal for a guage and one for a warning light so all I need to do it put the original wire to the larger spade terminal! Yippee!!

However, its running but I have no oil pressure so I'm trying everything I can to prime the pump which is boring and doing my head in!

ihatesissycars

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203 months

Sunday 30th December 2007
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Now I have zero oil pressure. . . . . . .

Edited by ihatesissycars on Sunday 30th December 17:34

james0

313 posts

207 months

Sunday 30th December 2007
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Is the crank pully nut nice and tight? is it zero oil pressure or zero indicated.

ihatesissycars

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951 posts

203 months

Sunday 30th December 2007
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OH yes I had to take a run up to tighten that bad boy.

Zero everywhere. I've had the filter off and cranked it with now't coming out of it so I've poured oil into the centre hole of the filter housing to back fill the pump and then cranked it then did the same, turned the engine over backwards by had then cranked it, now't. THEN I did all that again but filled the housing cente hole up with some STP engine treatment/treacle, backwards by hand, rigged up a bicycle pump with tube to fit the housing cente hold, pressurised it (that even registered on the oil pressure guage) then cranked it with now't coming out.


The replacement engine was sat epmty of oil and no filter so I'm assuming the pump has lost its prime.

It does run (I only ran it for a second or three) and the lifters were noisey so there's no oil up top.

I can't imagine the pickup pipe has developed a fault so it has to be pump related.

I'm now at that stage where I want to forget I own it and hope it goes away.

james0

313 posts

207 months

Sunday 30th December 2007
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Well you've done everthing i had to do to get oil pressure on the '82 944 I did an engine swap on. At least you have spares from the old motor if it is the pick up or pump. Is it a known good engine?

ihatesissycars

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951 posts

203 months

Sunday 30th December 2007
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It came from douglas valley who are a reputable place know for constantly breaking flash cars.

Thats not to say its not f**ked though.

I hope to god it aint as I really can't be bothered to take anothe engine out again.

I'm going to strip the pressure relief valve out next.

Is that behind the pressure switch/sender? SHould it fly out when I remove the sender?

james0

313 posts

207 months

Sunday 30th December 2007
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No its behind a 19 mm head bolt if i remember correctly. On the early engine it was a spring and steel slug. Not played with the later one in my 89 lux but i believe it is 3 piece and you have to be carefull on the alignment. (special tool?)
Did you have a look at clarks garage? loads of tech details in the workshop and on the forum.

stevieturbo

17,273 posts

248 months

Sunday 30th December 2007
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On some engines where Ive had priming issues....

I used a vacuum drain tool ( the big 4+litre jobbies that you pump to create a vacuum ) and attached this to an oilway in the engine.
Whether at an oil pressure switch or similar. Pump up the vacuum at this point to try and suck oil through, then spin the engine over on the starter ( no plugs etc ).

This has always worked for me.....although you do need a good vacuum source.

james0

313 posts

207 months

Sunday 30th December 2007
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Sorry one peice valve in late engine 3 piece in early.
Located under oil cooler if i remember correcly. (It was 2 years ago)